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sil at infiltrated Apr 7, 2007, 12:08 PM Views: 3471 Permalink Abuse procedures... Reality Checks On Sat, 07 Apr 2007, Frank Bulk wrote: > > While you have your friend's ear, ask him why they maintain a spam policy of > blocking complete /24's when: > a) the space has been divided into multiple sub-blocks and assigned to > different companies, all well-documented and queryable in ARIN > b) there have been repeated pleas to whitelist a certain IP in separate > sub-block that is only being punished for the behavior of others in a > different sub-block. > > Frank <realitycheck> You're complaining of blocked /24's. I block off up to /6's from reaching certain ports on my networks. Sound crazy? How many times should I contact the netblock owner and here the same generic "well you have to open up a complaint with our abuse desk... golly gee Joseph." Only to have the same repeat attacks over and over and over. Sure, I'll start out blocking the offensive address, then shoot off an email here and there, even post to this or another list or search Jared's list for a contact and ask them politely "Hey... I see X amount of attackers hitting me from your net" But how long should I go on for before I could just say "to hell with your users and network... They just won't connect." It's my own right to when it comes to my network. People complain? Sure, then I explain why, point out the fact that I HAVE made attempts at resolutions to no avail. So should the entire network be punished... No, but the engineers who now have to answer THEIR clients on why they've been blacklisted surely are punished aren't they. Now they have to hear X amount of clients moan about not being able to send either a client, vendor or relative email. They have to either find an alternative method to connect, or complain to their provider about connectivity issues. Is it fair? Yes it's fair to me, my clients, networks, etc., that I protect it. Is it fair to complain to deaf ears when those deaf ears are the ones actually clueful enough to fix? On a daily basis I have clients who should be calling customer service for issues contact me directly. Know what I do? ... My best to fix it, enter a ticket number on the issue and go about the day. One way or the other I'm going to see the ticket/problem so will it kill me to take a moment or two to fix something? Sure I will bitch moan and yell about it, a minute later AFTER THE FIX since things of this nature usually don't take that much time, guess what? Life returns to normal. http://www.infiltrated.net/bforcers/5thWeek-Organizations Have a look will you? These are constant offending networks with hosts that are repeatedly ssh'ing into servers I maintain. Is it unfair to block off their entire netblock from connecting via ssh to my servers. Hell no it isn't. If I have clients on this netblock, in all honesty tough. Let them contact their providers after I tell them their provider has been blocked because of the garbage on their network. Let their provider do something before I do because heaven knows how many times have I tried reaching someone diplomatically before I went ahead and blocked their entire /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 and so on from connecting to me via ssh or whatever other service they've intruded or attempted to intrude upon. Blocks? They usually last for 2 weeks then I take them off and start ALL over again. Of course I've automated this so its no sweat off shoulders. So you tell me in all honesty why someone should not escalate and block off entire blocks. </realitycheck> -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo echo @infiltrated|sed 's/^/sil/g;s/$/.net/g' http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey

Subject User Time Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 7, 2007, 12:08 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 12:31 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 7, 2007, 12:43 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks peter at peter-dambier Apr 7, 2007, 2:04 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 7, 2007, 1:32 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 2:20 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 7, 2007, 2:35 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 2:50 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks william at elan Apr 7, 2007, 3:57 PM             RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 3:12 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 9, 2007, 1:39 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 10, 2007, 5:09 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 3:32 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks list at satchell Apr 7, 2007, 3:44 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 5:36 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks vixie at vix Apr 8, 2007, 8:22 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 4:00 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks william at elan Apr 7, 2007, 4:20 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 5:38 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 7, 2007, 4:30 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 4:41 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 7, 2007, 4:45 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks swmike at swm Apr 7, 2007, 10:44 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks bonomi at mail Apr 7, 2007, 6:20 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks dave.nanog at alfordmedia Apr 7, 2007, 6:04 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 6:20 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks johnl at iecc Apr 7, 2007, 8:27 PM             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks leo.vegoda at icann Apr 8, 2007, 12:48 PM             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks dotis at mail-abuse Apr 8, 2007, 8:10 PM                 Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks vixie at vix Apr 8, 2007, 9:03 PM                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks dotis at mail-abuse Apr 9, 2007, 3:04 PM                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks chris at westnet Apr 9, 2007, 4:49 PM                 Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fw at deneb Apr 9, 2007, 7:34 AM                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks joelja at bogus Apr 9, 2007, 8:30 AM                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks johnl at iecc Apr 9, 2007, 8:48 AM                         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks petelists at templin Apr 9, 2007, 9:46 AM                             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks johnl at iecc Apr 9, 2007, 11:49 AM                                 Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 9, 2007, 12:08 PM                                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks petelists at templin Apr 9, 2007, 1:41 PM                                         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 9, 2007, 2:01 PM                                         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 9, 2007, 2:37 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks black at csulb Apr 7, 2007, 8:55 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks bzs at world Apr 8, 2007, 4:11 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 7:51 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks owenc at hubris Apr 7, 2007, 7:56 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fergdawg at netzero Apr 7, 2007, 8:33 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 7, 2007, 8:56 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 9, 2007, 11:26 AM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 9, 2007, 1:39 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 9, 2007, 1:55 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks christopher.morrow at verizonbusiness Apr 9, 2007, 1:58 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks marla.azinger at frontiercorp Apr 9, 2007, 2:11 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks Valdis.Kletnieks at vt Apr 9, 2007, 2:39 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 10, 2007, 2:30 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 10, 2007, 5:26 AM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 10, 2007, 7:11 AM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 10, 2007, 5:44 AM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 11, 2007, 2:48 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks jsdy at center Apr 10, 2007, 7:34 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks jsdy at center Apr 10, 2007, 8:07 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks list at satchell Apr 10, 2007, 5:34 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 11, 2007, 4:07 AM             RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 11, 2007, 5:27 AM             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks Valdis.Kletnieks at vt Apr 11, 2007, 8:21 AM                 Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 11, 2007, 8:28 AM                     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks warren at kumari Apr 11, 2007, 10:32 AM                         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 11, 2007, 10:49 AM                             RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 11, 2007, 4:11 PM                         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks dotis at mail-abuse Apr 11, 2007, 2:02 PM         RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 11, 2007, 5:20 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks surfer at mauigateway Apr 11, 2007, 11:53 AM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks warren at kumari Apr 11, 2007, 12:44 PM             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 11, 2007, 2:55 PM             RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks michael.dillon at bt Apr 11, 2007, 4:18 PM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks surfer at mauigateway Apr 11, 2007, 4:46 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks frnkblk at iname Apr 11, 2007, 6:50 PM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks swmike at swm Apr 11, 2007, 11:26 PM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks leigh.porter at ukbroadband Apr 12, 2007, 2:17 AM     RE: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks fernando.andre at tvtel Apr 12, 2007, 3:14 AM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks admin at digibase Apr 12, 2007, 10:55 AM             Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sil at infiltrated Apr 13, 2007, 4:15 AM     Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks rsk at gsp Apr 13, 2007, 4:53 AM         Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks sjsobol at JustThe Apr 13, 2007, 1:01 PM

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