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ILazar at burtongroup

Jan 11, 2002, 8:47 AM

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ip address management

Thought I'd pass along the below:

GLOBAL CROSSING RELEASES FREE IP ADDRESSING SOFTWARE TOOL
Global Crossing released a free software tool designed to help
ISPs and other organizations manage and assign IP address space
to customers more efficiently. The software tool creates a
streamlined allocation process and provides a method for easily
and accurately auditing existing address space usage, enhancing
the ability of Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) tables to manage
router information. The software was originally developed by Ben
April, a Global Crossing network engineer, to help allocate more
than 2 million IP addresses in parcels that range in size from
two to four addresses up to thousands of addresses in the most
mathematically conservative way possible. Global Crossing said
its decision to release the tool for free is part of a larger
effort to extend the life of IPv4 until IPv6 becomes broadly
available. The tool is available for free online.
http://www.freeipdb.org/ http://www.globalcrossing.com
Global Crossing, January 10, 2002

scott at sberkman

Feb 2, 2010, 1:14 PM

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RE: ip address management [In reply to]

I was about to suggest IPPlan, but it is lacking the V6 support. Here is
one I found doing some searching, but I haven't used it myself:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/haci/

-Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Pavel Dimow [mailto:paveldimow [at] gmail]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:55 PM
To: nanog [at] nanog
Subject: ip address management

Hello,

does anybody knows what happend with ipat?

http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources

Any other suggestion for a good foss ip address management app with
ipv6 support?

andy at nosignal

Feb 3, 2010, 4:51 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

On 02/02/2010 21:14, Scott Berkman wrote:
> I was about to suggest IPPlan, but it is lacking the V6 support. Here is
> one I found doing some searching, but I haven't used it myself:

We use IPPlan for ipv4 and a fairly flexible, but less fully featured
management program called vim for ipv6.

Migrating our data out of ipplan to something else is a flashpoint that
can lead to error, but we might have to do that.

It looks like the lack of ipv6 support in ipplan is partly due to the
maintainer not wanting to support it, so we might be tempted to (if the
license permits) fork the project and hack in support. We have hacked
it a lot already to build user-based containment between resources, so
that we can have a vlan schema for many networks, and many customers
(with their own logins, and only visability of their own subnets) in the
same instance. If we hack v6 support in, we could release the finished
project - I think there was opposition to doing that thus far because
the developer was embarrassed about some of the hacks ;-)

Andy

nanog at daork

Feb 3, 2010, 4:57 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

I'm actually writing some IP management code. Web based, it knows about the difference between IPv4 and IPv6 in maybe 3 or 4 places.
Intention is to release it publicly when it's good to go.

On 3/02/2010, at 10:14 AM, Scott Berkman wrote:

> I was about to suggest IPPlan, but it is lacking the V6 support. Here is
> one I found doing some searching, but I haven't used it myself:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/haci/
>
> -Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pavel Dimow [mailto:paveldimow [at] gmail]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:55 PM
> To: nanog [at] nanog
> Subject: ip address management
>
> Hello,
>
> does anybody knows what happend with ipat?
>
> http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
> http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources
>
> Any other suggestion for a good foss ip address management app with
> ipv6 support?
>
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:22,4b6895ef126381679815450!
>
>

regnauld at nsrc

Feb 3, 2010, 4:59 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Andy Davidson (andy) writes:
>
> It looks like the lack of ipv6 support in ipplan is partly due to
> the maintainer not wanting to support it, so we might be tempted to
> (if the license permits)

It's GPL... So for away :)

Also, you might want to look at TIPP:

http://tipp.tobez.org/
http://github.com/tobez/tipp

2-clause BSD-style license.

Was developed for a large ISP. IPv6 support is planned:

Future of TIPP

- import/export from/to CSV;
- IP availability checks (pinging);
- editing ranges of IP addresses at once;
- plugin architecture for better integration with the existing systems;
- IPv6 support;
- installation instructions;
- automated install script;
- fine-grained access control;
- an ability to define new classes;
- user documentation;
- API documentation;

Cheers,
Phil

regnauld at nsrc

Feb 3, 2010, 5:03 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Phil Regnauld (regnauld) writes:
>
> Future of TIPP
>
> - import/export from/to CSV;
> - IP availability checks (pinging);
> - editing ranges of IP addresses at once;
> - plugin architecture for better integration with the existing systems;
> - IPv6 support;

Update: IPv6 is planned during february apparently, according to
the developer.

nick at foobar

Feb 3, 2010, 6:41 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

On 03/02/2010 12:51, Andy Davidson wrote:
> It looks like the lack of ipv6 support in ipplan is partly due to the
> maintainer not wanting to support it, so we might be tempted to (if the
> license permits) fork the project and hack in support.

There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:

> One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
> support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
> Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
> from Telcos, ISP�s or government departments, yet they are never
> interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
> Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
> community, yet give nothing in return.

q.v. http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=faq

I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.

The data model used in ipplan is to enumerate all IP addresses in the
working ranges. This works fine for ipv4, but obviously breaks horribly
for ipv6. Political considerations aside, I suspect that this is at least
some of the reason that ipplan doesn't support it.

Nick

regnauld at nsrc

Feb 3, 2010, 7:15 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
>
> There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:
>
> > One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
> > support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
> > Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
> > from Telcos, ISP?s or government departments, yet they are never
> > interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
> > Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
> > community, yet give nothing in return.

Shame. And "deam" is "deem".

> q.v. http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=faq
>
> I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.

Yeah, sad.

> The data model used in ipplan is to enumerate all IP addresses in the
> working ranges. This works fine for ipv4, but obviously breaks horribly
> for ipv6. Political considerations aside, I suspect that this is at least
> some of the reason that ipplan doesn't support it.

It would indeed require a very large screen and lots of memory :)

Cheers,
Phil

joelja at bogus

Feb 3, 2010, 7:58 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Phil Regnauld wrote:
> Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
>> There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:
>>
>>> One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
>>> support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
>>> Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
>>> from Telcos, ISP?s or government departments, yet they are never
>>> interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
>>> Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
>>> community, yet give nothing in return.
>
> Shame. And "deam" is "deem".

That's a somewhat shallow reading of the motivation for contributing
resources to another project in any event... There wasn't a lot of
canned address mangement software when I started supporting v6 in a
campus environment 10 years ago either. mysql isn't that hard and
neither are spreadsheets embedded in wikis. the important part is the
business process where the records in the address management system
remain congruent with what's represented in the address mangement system.

I don't think (although I could be wrong) that most of our organizations
are so deliberately helpless that we need a shrinkwrap software package
made specifically for the purpose to track foo resource.

Having cut my teeth in technical support in era when pc based RDBMSes
took over the world, much less technical people then us manage to track
employee hours, video rental inventories, beauty supplies, grades etc
quite successfully.

ngqbao at gmail

Feb 3, 2010, 1:53 PM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

I want to point out that OpenNetAdmin (ONA) is a great IP/DNS/Host
tracking tool, although not supporting IPv6 yet. It's the first GPL I
know of that uses the concept of an abstract host which can have
multiple DNS names or IPs. I used IPPLAN in the past but have recently
converted to ONA for several of our managed projects and been happy
since. The developer is actively working on some improvements. I've
wrote some script to convert from your BIND/NAME zone file to ONA.

As for the interface, you have the option of using its nice AJAX web
based or cli through a PHP script.

-bn
0216331C

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Pavel Dimow <paveldimow [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> does anybody knows what happend with ipat?
>
> http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
> http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources
>
> Any other suggestion for a good foss ip address management app with
> ipv6 support?
>
>

nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc

Feb 3, 2010, 2:10 PM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:15:30 +0100
Phil Regnauld <regnauld [at] nsrc> wrote:

> Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
> >
> > There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:
> >
> > > One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
> > > support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
> > > Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
> > > from Telcos, ISP?s or government departments, yet they are never
> > > interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
> > > Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
> > > community, yet give nothing in return.
>
> Shame. And "deam" is "deem".
>
> > q.v. http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=faq
> >
> > I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.
>
> Yeah, sad.
>

I think that if he didn't want commercial organisations to use his
software, he shouldn't have chosen a licence that permits them to (the
GPL according to the home page). If that's his attitude to possible
future contributors and to IPv6, then it seems to me that iptrack has
jumped the shark.

> > The data model used in ipplan is to enumerate all IP addresses in the
> > working ranges. This works fine for ipv4, but obviously breaks horribly
> > for ipv6. Political considerations aside, I suspect that this is at least
> > some of the reason that ipplan doesn't support it.
>
> It would indeed require a very large screen and lots of memory :)
>
> Cheers,
> Phil
>

cvicente at network-services

Feb 3, 2010, 4:17 PM

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RE: ip address management [In reply to]

Please take a look at the Network Documentation Tool:

http://netdot.uoregon.edu

It's more than just IPAM, but it was designed with IPv6 in mind.

BTW, I just gave a lighting talk at the I2 Joint Techs meeting in Salt
Lake City this morning:

http://www.internet2.edu/presentations/jt2010feb/20100203-vincente.pdf

Feedback welcome.

Regards,

Carlos Vicente
University of Oregon

av at nethead

Feb 3, 2010, 6:50 PM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Hi,

Pavel Dimow wrote:
> does anybody knows what happend with ipat?
> http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
> http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources

i did take the sources offline a couple of weeks ago cause there didnt
seemed to be a lot interest in the software.

If you want i can put em up again or send you a download link but you
should keep in mind that this is a "carrier grade" address management
tool which requires quite some time to setup.

The IP management stuff has been created ontop of the RIPE whois
database, means, you will be running a complete registry server.

cheers,

Arnd

brwatters at absfoc

Feb 3, 2010, 8:32 PM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Please do send the dn/load link .. thanks

----- "Arnd Vehling" <av [at] nethead> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Pavel Dimow wrote:
> > does anybody knows what happend with ipat?
> > http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
> > http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources
>
> i did take the sources offline a couple of weeks ago cause there didnt
>
> seemed to be a lot interest in the software.
>
> If you want i can put em up again or send you a download link but you
>
> should keep in mind that this is a "carrier grade" address management
>
> tool which requires quite some time to setup.
>
> The IP management stuff has been created ontop of the RIPE whois
> database, means, you will be running a complete registry server.
>
> cheers,
>
> Arnd

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cian.brennan at redbrick

Feb 4, 2010, 1:38 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:40:25AM +1030, Mark Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:15:30 +0100
> Phil Regnauld <regnauld [at] nsrc> wrote:
>
> > Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
> > >
> > > There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:
> > >
> > > > One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
> > > > support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
> > > > Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
> > > > from Telcos, ISP?s or government departments, yet they are never
> > > > interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
> > > > Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
> > > > community, yet give nothing in return.
> >
> > Shame. And "deam" is "deem".
> >
> > > q.v. http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=faq
> > >
> > > I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.
> >
> > Yeah, sad.
> >
>
>
> I think that if he didn't want commercial organisations to use his
> software, he shouldn't have chosen a licence that permits them to (the
> GPL according to the home page). If that's his attitude to possible
> future contributors and to IPv6, then it seems to me that iptrack has
> jumped the shark.
>
It sounds far more like that's his attitude to those who keep annoying him
about supporting something he doesn't care about, without actually contributing
anything useful to the project.

> > > The data model used in ipplan is to enumerate all IP addresses in the
> > > working ranges. This works fine for ipv4, but obviously breaks horribly
> > > for ipv6. Political considerations aside, I suspect that this is at least
> > > some of the reason that ipplan doesn't support it.
> >
> > It would indeed require a very large screen and lots of memory :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Phil
> >
>
>

--

--

paveldimow at gmail

Feb 4, 2010, 4:13 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Hello Arnd,

it would be great if you can put them back.

Thank you.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Arnd Vehling <av [at] nethead> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Pavel Dimow wrote:
>>
>> does anybody knows what happend with ipat?
>
>> http://nethead.de/index.php/ipat
>> http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Tools_and_Resources
>
> i did take the sources offline a couple of weeks ago cause there didnt
> seemed to be a lot interest in the software.
>
> If you want i can put em up again or send you a download link but you should
> keep in mind that this is a "carrier grade" address management tool which
> requires quite some time to setup.
>
> The IP management stuff has been created ontop of the RIPE whois database,
> means, you will be running a complete registry server.
>
> cheers,
>
> � Arnd
>
>

nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc

Feb 4, 2010, 10:06 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:38:17 +0000
Cian Brennan <cian.brennan [at] redbrick> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 08:40:25AM +1030, Mark Smith wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:15:30 +0100
> > Phil Regnauld <regnauld [at] nsrc> wrote:
> >
> > > Nick Hilliard (nick) writes:
> > > >
> > > > There is a FAQ entry for ipv6 support in ipplan:
> > > >
> > > > > One feature request that comes up from time to time is IPv6. Adding IPv6
> > > > > support will require major effort but has such a limited audience.
> > > > > Ironically the only people that ever requested IPv6 support are either
> > > > > from Telcos, ISP?s or government departments, yet they are never
> > > > > interested in contributing resources! I deam them parasites of the Open
> > > > > Source world - leaching off the good will and effort of the Open Source
> > > > > community, yet give nothing in return.
> > >
> > > Shame. And "deam" is "deem".
> > >
> > > > q.v. http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/doku.php?id=faq
> > > >
> > > > I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.
> > >
> > > Yeah, sad.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think that if he didn't want commercial organisations to use his
> > software, he shouldn't have chosen a licence that permits them to (the
> > GPL according to the home page). If that's his attitude to possible
> > future contributors and to IPv6, then it seems to me that iptrack has
> > jumped the shark.
> >
> It sounds far more like that's his attitude to those who keep annoying him
> about supporting something he doesn't care about, without actually contributing
> anything useful to the project.
>

It's fine for him to not want to spend time on people's requests - that
is an accepted thing for open source software. But to call
people/organisations who use his software legitimately and also make
legitimate requests, under *his* chosen license "leaches" is
disingenuous.

As I said, if he didn't want commercial users to use his software, or
ask for features, then he shouldn't have chosen a license that permits
commercial use.

Complaining about a situation he has created, by his choice of license,
is puerile.

> > > > The data model used in ipplan is to enumerate all IP addresses in the
> > > > working ranges. This works fine for ipv4, but obviously breaks horribly
> > > > for ipv6. Political considerations aside, I suspect that this is at least
> > > > some of the reason that ipplan doesn't support it.
> > >
> > > It would indeed require a very large screen and lots of memory :)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Phil
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> --

av at nethead

Feb 4, 2010, 7:41 PM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Brian R. Watters wrote:
> Please do send the dn/load link .. thanks

here you go:

http://nethead.de/media/files/downloads/ipat/ipadmin-tools.tar.gz
http://nethead.de/media/files/downloads/ipat/modrdb.3.3.0-cvs.tar.gz

In case you have questions mail me.

best regards,

Arnd

mark at streamservice

Feb 10, 2010, 3:45 AM

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RE: ip address management [In reply to]

Hello,

I am also working on creating a IP address management tool (including
changing rDNS), of course it should work with IPv4 and IPv6. If someone is
interested in it, please mail me (so I know I have to inform him/her when I
release it). If there are certain features that I should include and are not
listed please also inform me about it (by email or via the forum on
mscholten.eu).

Features I have now on my list:
- IPv4 support (including ranges, like a /29)
- IPv6 support (including ranges, like a /64)
- Multi user support (admin - user level 3 - user level 2 - user level 1), a
user can create users on lower levels to edit how IPs are assigned from
their ranges to their customers (nice for companies with resellers!), of
course you could also only create level 1 users.
- Multi language support (with language files to translate)
- Change rDNS (based on changing PTR records in a MySQL database that could
be used by PowerDNS and a script will be provided to convert the MySQL
database to Bind files)

Current requirements (to host it, this is what I use to test it, other specs
may also work):
- To use the rDNS: PowerDNS or Bind nameservers
- PHP5 (with MySQLi extension and pear packages Net_IPv4 and Net_IPv6)
- MySQL 5
- The option to create a cron if you want to convert the database to a Bind
file

The planned release date for the first version is this month.

With kind regards,

Mark Scholten

regnauld at nsrc

Feb 10, 2010, 3:55 AM

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Re: ip address management [In reply to]

Mark Scholten (mark) writes:
> Hello,
>
> I am also working on creating a IP address management tool (including
> changing rDNS), of course it should work with IPv4 and IPv6. If someone is
> interested in it, please mail me (so I know I have to inform him/her when I
> release it). If there are certain features that I should include and are not
> listed please also inform me about it (by email or via the forum on
> mscholten.eu).

Hi Mark,

Considering the number of existing projects that have been mentioned
in the last couple of weeks here, and those that haven't, wouldn't
it be a good idea to see if any of the existing ones can be adapted
or patches sent to the authors so that the required features are
integrated ?

Not trying to discourage you, and more choice is always good, but
it does tend to get confusing ;)

> Features I have now on my list:
> - Multi user support (admin - user level 3 - user level 2 - user level 1), a
> user can create users on lower levels to edit how IPs are assigned from
> their ranges to their customers (nice for companies with resellers!), of
> course you could also only create level 1 users.

Ideally you should consider some form of role based access control:

Create roles, assign users and groups to them, and give rights to the
roles.

> - Multi language support (with language files to translate)
> - Change rDNS (based on changing PTR records in a MySQL database that could
> be used by PowerDNS and a script will be provided to convert the MySQL
> database to Bind files)

... or dynamic updates.

> Current requirements (to host it, this is what I use to test it, other specs
> may also work):
> - To use the rDNS: PowerDNS or Bind nameservers
> - PHP5 (with MySQLi extension and pear packages Net_IPv4 and Net_IPv6)
> - MySQL 5
> - The option to create a cron if you want to convert the database to a Bind
> file
>
> The planned release date for the first version is this month.

That's ambitious :)

I've designed and co-developed at least 2 platforms similar to the above,
and if you really insist on going this way, I think you should publish
some requirement specifications somewhere, and let others come with
comments. Nanog is a good starting point, but since this touches on
DNS as well, I'm sure a dedicated project page would be more useful,
with possibly a wiki to update said specs.

Cheers,
Phil

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