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randy at psg

Jun 13, 2012, 3:05 PM

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Re: very confusing.

NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade.
please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so.

---

> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating
> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my
> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI.

LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are
scraping out), but an idiot.

but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to
discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI.

randy

rgolodner at infratection

Jun 13, 2012, 3:10 PM

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On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 07:05 +0900,
> ACCIDENTAL email

How can my company get six accidental emails? Not even an idiot sends
six emails by mistake.

Spammertechnology labs is more like it.

nick at foobar

Jun 13, 2012, 3:12 PM

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>> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating
>> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my
>> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI.

1. spam a big pile of network operators
2. threaten legals on aforementioned prospective customers
3. profit!!11!!

awesome.

Nick

deleskie at gmail

Jun 13, 2012, 3:13 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

Accidental, he didn't mean to get caught :)

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Richard Golodner
<rgolodner [at] infratection> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 07:05 +0900,
>> ACCIDENTAL email
>
> How can my company get six accidental emails? Not even an idiot sends
> six emails by mistake.
>
> Spammertechnology labs is more like it.
>
>

marka at isc

Jun 13, 2012, 3:34 PM

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In message <4FD91056.3030206 [at] foobar>, Nick Hilliard writes:
> >> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating
> >> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my
> >> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI.
>
> 1. spam a big pile of network operators
> 2. threaten legals on aforementioned prospective customers
> 3. profit!!11!!
>
> awesome.
>
> Nick

Complain to you Congress and House Representatives that CAN-SPAM
is too unbalanced. The current US law lets you get away with single
shots. It should be a offence to send to someone you don't have
consent from. Look at the Australian SPAM act for a more balanced
act.

As long as US law allows companies to harvest addresses and send
to them this sort of thing will continue to happen.

Mark
--
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka [at] isc

cmorris at cs

Jun 13, 2012, 3:47 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

Don't get me wrong, I greatly dislike spam, but next thing you know it
will be against the law to send packets to someone you don't have
consent from...
or hand out pamphlets / talk to someone on the street you don't have
consent from...

I figure the solution here that fits with the best interests of the
people, or really with any internet problem,
is a defensive or cryptographic one; instead of an offensive or
law-based punitive solution.

e.g. Requiring proof-of-work headers for email that doesn't want a
speedy descent into /dev/null

nanog at hostleasing

Jun 13, 2012, 4:03 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

Folks,

This content is great .. for another list. I know you're not happy with
receiving unsolicited mail, and yes, it's likely your addresses were
scraped from either the mailing list itself or various archives that are
kept, but this list is not the best place to discuss this.

Please refrain from these types of discussions on the NANOG mailing list.
We are doing everything in our power to keep the list on-topic and stop
abuse when we see it. We don't take situations like this lightly.

Thank you all in advance and if you have any issue with this, please
contact me or the Communications Committee directly.

Regards,

Randy Epstein
Acting Chair, NANOG CC

shrdlu at deaddrop

Jun 13, 2012, 4:11 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

On 6/13/2012 3:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade.
> please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so.

I have plenty of ideas. Unfortunately, I am not permitted to do those
things. I promise it would not be painful, though. I'm not cruel, just
methodical.

>> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating
>> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my
>> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI.
>
> LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are
> scraping out), but an idiot.
>
> but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to
> discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI.

Of the many, many subscribers here on the list, I gently point out to
the moh-ron in question that there are any number of current and former
members of various federal agencies *also* following the list. Oh,
dearest slimeball, be careful what you wish for.

Not said in jest.

What the heck, at least it isn't yet another interminable discussion of
ebay and amazon spam.

--
Start wearing purple wearing purple
Start wearing purple for me now
All your sanity and wits they will all vanish
I promise, it's just a matter of time...

os10rules at gmail

Jun 13, 2012, 5:53 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. If enough people do it, they go out of business.

In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call up and act interested in his services and have them go through their sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of business.

Greg

On Jun 13, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

> NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade.
> please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so.
>
> ---
>
>> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating
>> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my
>> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI.
>
> LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are
> scraping out), but an idiot.
>
> but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to
> discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI.
>
> randy
>

jgreco at ns

Jun 13, 2012, 6:01 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing =
> envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown =
> paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. =
> If enough people do it, they go out of business.

That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard
your bricks for years, AND THEY DO.

> In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call =
> up and act interested in his services and have them go through their =
> sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you =
> literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last =
> step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just =
> pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they =
> end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of =
> business.

But that, on the other hand ...

... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

owen at delong

Jun 13, 2012, 7:39 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Joe Greco <jgreco [at] ns> wrote:

>> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing =
>> envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown =
>> paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. =
>> If enough people do it, they go out of business.
>
> That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard
> your bricks for years, AND THEY DO.
>

Yes... Bricks don't work any more. You have to get more creative.

http://www.dogdoo.com offers a selection of products ideally suited for this purpose.

>> In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call =
>> up and act interested in his services and have them go through their =
>> sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you =
>> literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last =
>> step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just =
>> pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they =
>> end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of =
>> business.
>
> But that, on the other hand ...
>

Not mutually exclusive.

Owen

george.herbert at gmail

Jun 13, 2012, 8:08 PM

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Re: very confusing. [In reply to]

I am as amused by antispam efforts as anyone, but can we stay on list topic?

George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2012, at 19:39, Owen DeLong <owen [at] delong> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Joe Greco <jgreco [at] ns> wrote:
>
>>> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing =
>>> envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown =
>>> paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. =
>>> If enough people do it, they go out of business.
>>
>> That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard
>> your bricks for years, AND THEY DO.
>>
>
> Yes... Bricks don't work any more. You have to get more creative.
>
> http://www.dogdoo.com offers a selection of products ideally suited for this purpose.
>
>>> In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call =
>>> up and act interested in his services and have them go through their =
>>> sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you =
>>> literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last =
>>> step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just =
>>> pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they =
>>> end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of =
>>> business.
>>
>> But that, on the other hand ...
>>
>
> Not mutually exclusive.
>
> Owen
>
>

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