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jra at baylink

Aug 4, 2008, 9:24 AM

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Is Usenet actually dead?

Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News? I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.

In lieu of How It Used To Be, does anyone have data or anecdotes on
which of the commercial providers will let me run a server in-house?

Off-list is fine; I can summarize if anyone really cares anymore. :-)

Cheers,
-- jra
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ge at linuxbox

Aug 4, 2008, 9:26 AM

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

Avi Freedman runs a decent service.

Gadi.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

> Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
> with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
> wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
> that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News? I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
> groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.
>
> In lieu of How It Used To Be, does anyone have data or anecdotes on
> which of the commercial providers will let me run a server in-house?
>
> Off-list is fine; I can summarize if anyone really cares anymore. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
> St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
>
> Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
> Those who count the vote decide everything.
> -- (Josef Stalin)
>

fw at deneb

Aug 4, 2008, 1:19 PM

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

* Jay R. Ashworth:

> Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
> with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
> wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
> that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News? I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
> groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.

You should be able to get the Big 8 (without any binary junk) fairly
easily. Finding someone who manages your subscriptions using GUP (or
even manually *gasp*) could be more difficult, though, so receiving a
subset is likely not an option.

(I haven't got a Big 8 feed to offer, I'm sorry. The regional ISP I use
offers an NNTP feed managed by GUP.)

jra at baylink

Aug 4, 2008, 1:33 PM

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:19:16PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Jay R. Ashworth:
> > Opinion pieces in Wired and AG's grandstanding by throwing babies out
> > with bathwater notwithstanding, a query from a cow-orker caused me to
> > wonder: is there still anyplace to get a Usenet feed from these days
> > that isn't {Giga,Super,etc}News? I want to pull maybe 30 or 40 tech
> > groups into my own server for the 5 or 6 people in my IT group.
>
> You should be able to get the Big 8 (without any binary junk) fairly
> easily. Finding someone who manages your subscriptions using GUP (or
> even manually *gasp*) could be more difficult, though, so receiving a
> subset is likely not an option.

Some offlist chatter suggests it might not be that difficult; I'm
investigating more deeply and will report what I can. :-)

How much *is* Big8 a day these days, though, a gig? I have a 10MBs
hose...

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
Those who count the vote decide everything.
-- (Josef Stalin)

rs at seastrom

Aug 5, 2008, 6:19 AM

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

"Jay R. Ashworth" <jra[at]baylink.com> writes:

> How much *is* Big8 a day these days, though, a gig? I have a 10MBs
> hose...

If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very manageable
after you take out the binaries. Insignificant if you could figure
out a way to get rid of the flames and spam. :)

-r

eddy+public+spam at noc

Aug 6, 2008, 11:47 AM

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Re: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

RES> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0400
RES> From: Robert E. Seastrom

RES> If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very manageable
RES> after you take out the binaries. Insignificant if you could figure
RES> out a way to get rid of the flames and spam. :)

Usenet - binaries - flames - spam = pretty close to "actually dead"

;-)

Eddy
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alex at corp

Aug 6, 2008, 11:54 AM

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RE: Is Usenet actually dead? [In reply to]

We operate a transit box, and there are still quite a few of them out
there. Pushing hundreds and hundreds of megs.

http://news.anthologeek.net/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:eddy+public+spam[at]noc.everquick.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:48 PM
> To: Robert E. Seastrom
> Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Is Usenet actually dead?
>
> RES> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:19:44 -0400
> RES> From: Robert E. Seastrom
>
> RES> If trends have continued since last I looked at it, very
manageable
> RES> after you take out the binaries. Insignificant if you could
figure
> RES> out a way to get rid of the flames and spam. :)
>
> Usenet - binaries - flames - spam = pretty close to "actually dead"
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Eddy
> --
> Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/
> A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/
> Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building
> Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
> Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita
>
________________________________________________________________________
> DO NOT send mail to the following addresses:
> davidc[at]brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq[at]intc.net -*- sam[at]everquick.net
> Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
> Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software
backscatter.

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