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joesox at gmail

Jun 16, 2008, 3:32 PM

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Cable Colors

Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),

I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
colors for cables for a new datacenter?
I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I am
stuck'.
What standard color to use if voice and data on same interface etc. Thanks.
--
Thank You, Joe


ges at wingfoot

Jun 16, 2008, 3:41 PM

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JoeSox wrote:
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I am
> stuck'.
> What standard color to use if voice and data on same interface etc. Thanks.
>

Hmm. I've always done blue for "safe" or "internal" connections, red for
machines on the DMZ or outside.

Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
data/voice?

Don't know if there's a website on this, but you can definitely read
about it in Tom Limoncelli's The Practice of System and Network
Administration book.

Best,
--Glenn

--
...destination is merely a byproduct of the journey
--Eric Hansen


deballing at vassar

Jun 16, 2008, 3:48 PM

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On Jun 16, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Glenn Sieb wrote:
> Hmm. I've always done blue for "safe" or "internal" connections, red
> for machines on the DMZ or outside.

I think this varies a lot based on the environment...

I've seen :

- Red for external ("hot"), Blue for internal ("cold")

- Red for external ("stop this"), green for internal ("go/trusted")

- Red for internal ("stop this from leaving") and green for external
("go go go to the outside world")

- A combination of the either of the last two with "Yellow" for a
cautionary DMZ area

And then there's the environment I'm in right now, where there are a
LOT of different cable colors for different reasons.

The reality is, from my experience, to find a color combination that
makes sense to you and is intuitive to you and the people who'll be
working with the cables.

Amusing cautionary tale: confirm that you don't have any color-blind
staff, and if you do, make sure they can differentiate all your cable
colors before you set them in stone and deploy them. :-)

cheers,
D
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scott at heberts

Jun 16, 2008, 3:50 PM

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>
> Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
> data/voice?


Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.

--
Scott Hebert
http://slaptijack.com


ml at t-b-o-h

Jun 16, 2008, 3:52 PM

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>
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I am
> stuck'.
> What standard color to use if voice and data on same interface etc. Thanks.
>
Hi,

We solved the problem of remembering what color was for what by
getting our suppliers to use clear jackets on the wiring. That way we
see whats actually going over the copper and can tell that way. It costs
us more, we do have a bit of an issue putting plugs on it, but in the long
run its definitely worth it.

Otherwise, our old system was :

Black - Infrastructure/critical
Green - Colocation/Customer
White - KVM
Blue - X-connect (Later changed to Orange when we went full fiber)
Yellow- Someone threw a spare patch cord up and didn't custom create/
cut it and if I find them I'm gonna create/cut them something!
White+Red spot or stripe - The junior guy was cutting KVM cables again,
expect a health benefit claim later in the day.

We also used the ID zip ties on each end if it was an X-over with
"X-over" written on it. All plugs had boots too.

Tuc/TBOH

(Insert ;) as needed... ;) )


soren.telfer at gmail

Jun 16, 2008, 3:55 PM

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TIA-606A and some of the other TIA docs have cable color recommendations.



Scott Hebert wrote:
>> Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
>> data/voice?
>>
>
>
> Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.
>
> --
> Scott Hebert
> http://slaptijack.com
>
>


telmnstr at 757

Jun 16, 2008, 3:55 PM

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> Some people reserve yellow for cross-over cables.

I was going to say yellow for serial consoles... but in this day and age,
I guess the crossover cables AND serial console connection are fading
fast.
- Ethan O'Toole


owen at delong

Jun 16, 2008, 3:56 PM

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I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
to the following:

Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes telecom)
(8-1 7-2 6-3 5-4 4-5 3-6 2-7 1-8)
Orange(C) == EIA-568b cross-over cable (ethernet xover)
Orange(F) == Multimode Fiber
Yellow(F) == Singlemode Fiber
White == Clear (inside VPN concentrator network)
Black == Crypt (Outside VPN concentrator network)
Blue == Publicly accessible networks
Red == Backend (usually OOB management) networks
Pink == KVM (KVM switch <-> Dongle)

Occasionally I encounter needs for greater specificity, but, these
usually do most of what I need.

I'm sure others use entirely different choices.

Owen


jgreco at ns

Jun 16, 2008, 3:59 PM

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> JoeSox wrote:
> > Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
> >
> > I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> > colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> > I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> > 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I am
> > stuck'.
> > What standard color to use if voice and data on same interface etc. Thanks.
> >
>
> Hmm. I've always done blue for "safe" or "internal" connections, red for
> machines on the DMZ or outside.
>
> Perhaps Blue for internal data, Yellow for internal voice, Green for
> data/voice?
>
> Don't know if there's a website on this, but you can definitely read
> about it in Tom Limoncelli's The Practice of System and Network
> Administration book.

What you do is largely going to be dependent on what your situation is.
"Data center" is exceedingly vague.

An ISP, with telco and data, customer colo and internal network circuits,
is going to have very different needs than some company that's running a
data processing network behind a firewall and gateway to the Internet
along with some minor telco circuits to serve the local user population.

Standardizing colors is very helpful, but keep a mind towards not getting
excessively complex unless the situation warrants it. One of the most
important aspects to color coding is that you're trying to avoid connecting
things that might be bad. In most environments, then, you might want to
have a "behind the firewall" color and a "DMZ" color. However, consider
too that you might have a "management network" color, a "telco data circuit"
color, a "KVM-over-cat5-cable" color, a "Yost or Cisco standard Serial"
(http://www.sol.net/serial-guide/) color, etc.

Those latter are exceedingly useful because you can sometimes toast
equipment if you're plugging in something with a very wrong signal type.

I happen to like orange for cross-connects, because it resembles multimode
fiber (which is what most of our xc's are). Beyond that, mostly you can
develop your own thing. We use green for serial console. Yellow might be
KVM or might be telecom. There are some standards docs that provide
guidance, but I'm not sure that it matters.

In the old days, we used to color crossover cables differently too. Thank
heavens that all the old non-auto-MDI/MDIX stuff is slowly going away.

... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.


deballing at vassar

Jun 16, 2008, 3:59 PM

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On Jun 16, 2008, at 6:55 PM, telmnstr [at] 757 wrote:
> I was going to say yellow for serial consoles... but in this day and
> age, I guess the crossover cables AND serial console connection are
> fading fast.

Crossover cables maybe, but I'm not convinced about serial. I just
went through a whole installation of OOB access to all our network
equipment "just in case"....

Cheers,
D
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randy at psg

Jun 16, 2008, 4:00 PM

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all you people are just sooooo retro and boring. i like purple,
fluorescent lime, ...

the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are what
will bail you out at three in the morning.

randy


Jon.Kibler at aset

Jun 16, 2008, 4:01 PM

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JoeSox wrote:
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>

Not based on any standard, but here is a schema I have used many times:
White -- user workstations
Black -- telephones
Green -- guest users (direct Internet connection)
Purple -- RJ11 data cables (modem, faxes, etc.)
Yellow -- "never change" network infrastructure (inter-device,
servers, printers, etc.)
Orange -- serial console cable
Red -- telco T1s
Blue -- network infrastructure inter-device crossover

Jon
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jgreco at ns

Jun 16, 2008, 4:02 PM

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> I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
> to the following:
>
> Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
> Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
> Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes telecom)
> (8-1 7-2 6-3 5-4 4-5 3-6 2-7 1-8)
> Orange(C) == EIA-568b cross-over cable (ethernet xover)
> Orange(F) == Multimode Fiber
> Yellow(F) == Singlemode Fiber
> White == Clear (inside VPN concentrator network)
> Black == Crypt (Outside VPN concentrator network)
> Blue == Publicly accessible networks
> Red == Backend (usually OOB management) networks
> Pink == KVM (KVM switch <-> Dongle)
>
> Occasionally I encounter needs for greater specificity, but, these
> usually do most of what I need.

Oh. That was the other thing I was going to say. Reserving some colors
for "special purposes" is a good idea.

... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.


owen at delong

Jun 16, 2008, 4:09 PM

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Very true. Another suggestion I will offer is that it is relatively
inexpensive to order cables with pre-printed serial numbers.

I get them for about $0.20/cable more than I could buy in bulk
and I get them in relatively low quantities. They cost about half
of what buying a cable at Fry's would cost.

I use a format of XXXXXX-YY.Y where XXXXXX is a unique
six digit number for the particular cable and YY.Y is the length
of that particular cable.

Having these serial numbers triple-printed on self-laminating
labels at each end of the cable makes them very easy to read
and makes it very easy to be sure before you pull a cable that
the A and Z ends are of the same cable, which, can also be
a saving factor at 3AM.

Owen

On Jun 16, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Randy Bush wrote:

> all you people are just sooooo retro and boring. i like purple,
> fluorescent lime, ...
>
> the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent.
> labeling,
> consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are
> what
> will bail you out at three in the morning.
>
> randy


david at davidcoulson

Jun 16, 2008, 4:54 PM

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Jon Kibler wrote:
> Not based on any standard, but here is a schema I have used many times:
<snip>

Where I used to work - ISP. All of the above - Yellow.
Where I work now - Enterprise. All of the above - Grey.

David


hannigan at verneglobal

Jun 16, 2008, 4:57 PM

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A little bit of the rainbow might spice up your life, Randy. Staring at all that grey cat3 is making you cranky.

Personally, I like orange for console, standard powder blue for in rack termination, and red for backbone dependent.



----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Bush <randy [at] psg>
To: nanog [at] nanog <nanog [at] nanog>
Sent: Mon Jun 16 23:00:45 2008
Subject: Re: Cable Colors

all you people are just sooooo retro and boring. i like purple,
fluorescent lime, ...

the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are what
will bail you out at three in the morning.

randy


william.allen.simpson at gmail

Jun 16, 2008, 4:58 PM

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Once upon a time, plenum-rated cable only seemed to come in white or blue,
so I tried to use white consistently. Always helps to visually identify
the correct usage for POPs in existing buildings.

And, I've a tendency to use black for "internal network management" (unable
to be seen off LAN/VPN). Easy to tell staff "don't touch", and to visually
ensure going to the correct switch ports.

Yellow was pretty common for crossover cables, but now-a-days it's all
auto-sensing anyway.


pedro at whack

Jun 16, 2008, 5:09 PM

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JoeSox wrote:
> Hello Newbie here (hopefully I have the correct list),
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knows of a website with recommended
> colors for cables for a new datacenter?
> I have written some things down but I don't want to get stuck saying
> 'darn, I wish I would have bought this color for this type, now I am
> stuck'.
> What standard color to use if voice and data on same interface etc. Thanks.
>

As you can see, by and large, people assign colors to functions. What
color to what function varies like the wind. Unlike a previous employer
whose colo-manager person insisted on using colors to represent cable
lengths (Doh!), color -> function mapping seems pretty universal.

About 7% of the male population in the US has red-green colorblindness,
so keep that in mind. Simpler schemes trump more complex ones (as do
most things in networking) and makes cable-purchasing/stocking less of
an issue.

--Peter


hannigan at verneglobal

Jun 16, 2008, 5:15 PM

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This seems like a good demarcation for the colors, but two things. Its a bit more expensive, and, it typically makes for a pretty mess. You're talking pre determined cable lengths for the most part. I tend to avoid patch cables like the plague and invest in long term deployments cut to length.

Intelligently strapping in mostly permanent wiring should be worth the investment and reduce outages in the long run. The colors don't hurt.

Best,

Marty




----- Original Message -----
From: Owen DeLong <owen [at] delong>
To: Glenn Sieb <ges [at] wingfoot>
Cc: nanog [at] nanog <nanog [at] nanog>
Sent: Mon Jun 16 22:56:45 2008
Subject: Re: Cable Colors

I don't know of any hard standard in use anywhere. I've generally taken
to the following:

Green == low-bandwidth straigh-through
Telephone, T1, Serial, etc.
Purple == Roll Cables (almost always serial, sometimes telecom)
(8-1 7-2 6-3 5-4 4-5 3-6 2-7 1-8)
Orange(C) == EIA-568b cross-over cable (ethernet xover)
Orange(F) == Multimode Fiber
Yellow(F) == Singlemode Fiber
White == Clear (inside VPN concentrator network)
Black == Crypt (Outside VPN concentrator network)
Blue == Publicly accessible networks
Red == Backend (usually OOB management) networks
Pink == KVM (KVM switch <-> Dongle)

Occasionally I encounter needs for greater specificity, but, these
usually do most of what I need.

I'm sure others use entirely different choices.

Owen


smb at cs

Jun 16, 2008, 5:25 PM

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:42 -0700
Peter Wohlers <pedro [at] whack> wrote:

> About 7% of the male population in the US has red-green
> colorblindness, so keep that in mind.

At least in my son's case, bright colors -- like the typical red and
green cables -- are easily distinguishable. Pastels are more of a
problem. But for proper cabling, see
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1X6PM -- and make sure you read
the comments...



--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


LarrySheldon at cox

Jun 16, 2008, 5:47 PM

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I am seriously old school--"patch cords" for me conjure (in addition to
the modern views) 4-wire patches and coax patches (some of which were
called "hairpins").

To me far more important that color is tags, one on each end if it is
more that a foot long.

The tags should have a short (two or three word) description, the
authority for the patch (person's name or position, order number, or
trouble ticket number) and where the _other_ end of the patch is,
followed by where _this_ is. (For short cords "this" will cover both
ends, probably.

Why "this end"? Make a mistake and pull the wrong one out of a mostly
clear jack-field sometime. Clarity will occur.
--
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s.ewing at aussiehq

Jun 16, 2008, 5:47 PM

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On 17/06/08 9:00 AM, "Randy Bush" <randy [at] psg> wrote:

> the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent. labeling,
> consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are what
> will bail you out at three in the morning.
>
> randy

And there you have it. Finding the group of backbone cables (as an example)
out of a bundle of cables is much easier when they're a different colour.

What colours we use depends on what area of the network we're in.

For example (for the DC):

- Access layer (ie: to servers): Blue
- Management network (KVM, power, etc): Green
- Private network (internal only): Black
- Inter-rack links (don't touch): yellow
- Network uplinks (really don't touch): red

-Shaun


nanog at daork

Jun 16, 2008, 5:57 PM

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On 17/06/2008, at 11:00 AM, Randy Bush wrote:

> all you people are just sooooo retro and boring. i like purple,
> fluorescent lime, ...
>
> the colors make no difference as long as you are consistent.
> labeling,
> consistent port use (oob port == power port == switch port ==) are
> what
> will bail you out at three in the morning.


My cables are all black, and are scented with different citrus fruits.


When I have a customer without as keen a sense of smell, I've noticed
that my local patch cable vendor only does x-over in purple or beige.
That made that decision for me fairly quickly.

--
Nathan Ward


jgreco at ns

Jun 16, 2008, 5:59 PM

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> To me far more important that color is tags, one on each end if it is
> more that a foot long.
>
> The tags should have a short (two or three word) description, the
> authority for the patch (person's name or position, order number, or
> trouble ticket number) and where the _other_ end of the patch is,
> followed by where _this_ is. (For short cords "this" will cover both
> ends, probably.
>
> Why "this end"? Make a mistake and pull the wrong one out of a mostly
> clear jack-field sometime. Clarity will occur.

Ha, I don't see many other people who do that.

So is the labeling device of choice still the Dymo Rhino stuff?
Preferences for/against heat shrink vs other methods? Always fun to see
what others are doing.

... JG
--
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.


shrdlu at deaddrop

Jun 16, 2008, 6:00 PM

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Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:42 -0700 Peter Wohlers <pedro [at] whack>
> wrote:
>
>
>> About 7% of the male population in the US has red-green
>> colorblindness, so keep that in mind.

> At least in my son's case, bright colors -- like the typical red and
> green cables -- are easily distinguishable. Pastels are more of a
> problem.

More than 50% of males are color challenged, even when they aren't color
blind. I have noted that orange and red cables near each other can
easily be confused, as can blues and greens that are too similar in hue.
However...

> But for proper cabling, see
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1X6PM -- and make sure you read
> the comments...

*That* link requires a put-down-your-coffee warning. Most notable is the
number of stars in the rating, which goes hand in hand with the
comments. Thank you. I still have tears in my eyes.

--
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The intervening years have proven Kornbluth right.
--Valdis Kletnieks

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