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jmaimon at ttec

May 22, 2008, 10:07 AM

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Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Looking for some advice for a first-timer.

What are your recommendation regarding gear?

- laptop and charger only

- laptop with small bag

- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing

Thanks,

Joe

shrdlu at deaddrop

May 22, 2008, 11:01 AM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

Joe Maimon wrote:

> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
[snippy]
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing

Personally, I'd go with the latter. I've done it all, from backpack
(that'll start to be a nuisance, trust me) to laptop only, to a small
square cart thing (I don't remember what they're called) that I could
dump the laptop and various stuffs in.

My current bag is swiss army (I *love* it), can hold two laptops if
necessary (and I've been there), and whatever else I think I might need,
depending on the conference/meeting/work assignment that I'm involved
with. I even carry a tool set, for stuffing in checked luggage when
flying, and patch cables, but for you, that's probably overkill.

One of the things that makes me popular is that I carry a PowerSquid
(one of the best inventions *evaire*), just in case.

The case is easier on your back, has nice handles, and even a shoulder
strap, if you need them, has pockets and compartments forever, and fits
in the overhead. I think it's called a Victorinox.

--
Die Gedanken sind frei

pauldotwall at gmail

May 22, 2008, 11:07 AM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
is a good plan.

Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
Park.

Paul

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>

r.hyunseog at ieee

May 22, 2008, 11:19 AM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

Third option. ^.^
You may need to have notepad, pens, and other stuffs.
Also when you collect brochure or something like that, it is easy to
carry around.

Hyun

Joe Maimon wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>
>

oberman at es

May 22, 2008, 11:56 AM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:07:48 -0400
> From: "Paul Wall" <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.

I think some of this is seriously exaggerated. The white earbud thing is
pretty silly these days as about half the folks on the subway seem to be
wearing them. (Watch out if you have fancy Bose buds, though.)

Leaving a backpack unattended ANYWHERE is a really bad idea. A lock is
of limited value, but, in a room full of laptops, it makes yours less
attractive. If you are just going between your room and te meeting in
the hotel, off-load as much as possible. The backpack gets heavy after a
while. Don't take it to lunch. Drop it in your room.

Marriott has always provided pads and pens at the meeting, although I
prefer my own pen and keep most notes on my laptop.

As far as safety, the parts in lower Manhattan and Brooklyn Heights
where we will mostly be is safer than some other places NANOG has
met. (I won't get specific as I don't want to inspire people from those
places to fill my mailbox with defenses.) Be careful. Don't wander alone
after dark. Common sense, an uncommon thing, is your best guide.
--
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman[at]es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634
Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751

> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> > Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >
> > What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >
> > - laptop and charger only
> >
> > - laptop with small bag
> >
> > - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>

hannigan at verneglobal

May 22, 2008, 12:57 PM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in New York City. :).

Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.

-M<

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
is a good plan.

Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
Park.

Paul

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>

davediaz at gmail

May 22, 2008, 1:13 PM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
'about it....

Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!

On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Rod.Beck at hiberniaatlantic

May 22, 2008, 1:43 PM

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RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm

I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous place as well as a foreign country ...

Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
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``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Diaz [mailto:davediaz[at]gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 9:13 PM
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
'about it....

Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!

On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

hannigan at verneglobal

May 22, 2008, 1:53 PM

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Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)

----- Original Message -----
From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
'about it....

Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!

On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

copraphage at gmail

May 22, 2008, 2:00 PM

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a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan[at]verneglobal.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>
> I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
> you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
> the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
> 'about it....
>
>
> Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>
> David
> The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> >
> > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> > New York City. :).
> >
> > Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
> >
> > -M<
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> > To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> > Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >
> > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> > is a good plan.
> >
> > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> > Park.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >>
> >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >>
> >> - laptop and charger only
> >>
> >> - laptop with small bag
> >>
> >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

sil at infiltrated

May 22, 2008, 2:03 PM

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Chris McDonald wrote:

| a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc
knowledge.

|> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)

Nothing to be afraid of in NYC especially with NANOG coming to town
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alex at corp

May 22, 2008, 2:06 PM

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> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
of
> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.

> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.

Rod.Beck at hiberniaatlantic

May 22, 2008, 2:08 PM

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There is no disagreement between Mr. Rubenstein and myself.

:)

Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
rod.beck[at]hiberniaatlantic.com
rodbeck[at]erols.com
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex[at]corp.nac.net]
Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 10:06 PM
To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan
Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org
Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
of
> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.

> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.

alex at corp

May 22, 2008, 2:10 PM

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> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct,
there shouldn't be a problem.

> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.

cmarshall at dyndns

May 22, 2008, 2:15 PM

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On May 22, 2008, Rod Beck sent me the following:
> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
> of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>
> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>
> http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm
>
> I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous
> place as well as a foreign country ...

Interesting data, but potentially skewed due to population differences.
New York City's metropolitan area population is 18,818,536, whereas
Miami is only 5,919,036.

Miami: 7116.2 per 100,000 = 0.071162 crimes per person
0.071162 * 5919036 = 421,210.44 crimes

NYC: 2771.0 per 100,000 = 0.02771 crimes per person
0.02771 * 18818536 = 521,461.63 crimes

So it's not really that there is less crime, there's just less chance of
a particular person being the perpetrator or victim.

Also, my population numbers are based on 2006 data provided by
Wikipedia, and therefore are not to be trusted.

--
Chip Marshall
System Administrator
Dynamic Network Services, Inc.
http://www.dyndns.com/

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hannigan at verneglobal

May 22, 2008, 2:16 PM

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Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects. Brooklyn / NYC is pretty OK.

Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx!

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris McDonald <copraphage[at]gmail.com>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: davediaz[at]gmail.com <davediaz[at]gmail.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan[at]verneglobal.com> wrote:

Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)

----- Original Message -----
From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
'about it....

Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!

On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

jra at baylink

May 22, 2008, 2:16 PM

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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Lynda wrote:
> One of the things that makes me popular is that I carry a PowerSquid
> (one of the best inventions *evaire*), just in case.

They're nice, but the little 8-outlet (5 + 3-transformer) yellow and
black thing from Walmart is just as useful, and only 8 bucks. With
cable management.
-- j
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Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
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Those who count the vote decide everything.
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Rod.Beck at hiberniaatlantic

May 22, 2008, 2:17 PM

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Now that we have television shows like Miami Vice (which are available here in Paris in French), I expect the American public to be less biased in their views of New York. It is all a question of what cities are used as the background for the crime shows. :)

Roderick S. Beck

christian at visr

May 22, 2008, 2:18 PM

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the area in BKLYN where the Mariott is fine, its a one of the better
neighborhoods - i believe its Brooklyn Heights, though can be confused with
DUMBO and downtown brooklyn as they are all adjacent

/christian

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex[at]corp.nac.net> wrote:

> > I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
> > the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>
> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>
> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding
> instinct,
> there shouldn't be a problem.
>
>
> > New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> > Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>
> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.
>
>
>
>

Valdis.Kletnieks at vt

May 22, 2008, 2:18 PM

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On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:10:29 EDT, Alex Rubenstein said:

> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.

<voice = "Crocodile Dundee">

That's not a router. Now *that's* a router...

</voice>

:)

r.hyunseog at ieee

May 22, 2008, 2:19 PM

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Probably if you stick to common sense, it will be o.k.
If you see broken windows and/or lots of graffiti in the wall,
probably I wouldn't go there. ^>^

Since you will be seeing more people in NYC area,
you may get some stress to see lots of people,
but overall it's not that bad.
Just stick to your instinct, and common sense.

Hyun

Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
>> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>>
>
> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>
> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct,
> there shouldn't be a problem.
>
>
>
>> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
>> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>>
>
> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.
>
>
>
>
>
>

andrewy at webair

May 22, 2008, 2:25 PM

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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting [In reply to]

Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive.

for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year.
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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +0000, Martin Hannigan wrote:

> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects. Brooklyn / NYC is pretty OK.
>
> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris McDonald <copraphage[at]gmail.com>
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: davediaz[at]gmail.com <davediaz[at]gmail.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan[at]verneglobal.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>
> I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
> you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
> the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
> 'about it....
>
>
> Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>
> David
> The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> >
> > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> > New York City. :).
> >
> > Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
> >
> > -M<
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> > To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> > Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >
> > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> > is a good plan.
> >
> > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> > Park.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >>
> >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >>
> >> - laptop and charger only
> >>
> >> - laptop with small bag
> >>
> >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>

r.hyunseog at ieee

May 22, 2008, 2:41 PM

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One more thing...
Rent-car may be not a good idea.
Sometimes it's hard to find the parking spot. ^.^
As Andrew said, it will be better to use public transportations such as
cab, bus, and sub-way.
It may take more time, but sometimes the driving style of New Yorker may
be a little bit offensive, and finding parking lot may be a challenge. :-)
If you are one of owls, there are plenty of places you can visit in
night/early morning when you are not in the mood for sleeping ^>^

Hyun

andrew young wrote:
> Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
> There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
> metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive.
>
> for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
> check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year.
> -
> ------------------------------------
> Andrew Young
> Webair Internet Development, Inc
> Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1
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> http://www.webair.com
> andrewy[at]webair.com
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>
> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +0000, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
>
>> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects. Brooklyn / NYC is pretty OK.
>>
>> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris McDonald <copraphage[at]gmail.com>
>> To: Martin Hannigan
>> Cc: davediaz[at]gmail.com <davediaz[at]gmail.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
>> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
>> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>
>> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan[at]verneglobal.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
>> To: Martin Hannigan
>> Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
>> Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
>> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>
>> Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>>
>> I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
>> you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
>> the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
>> 'about it....
>>
>>
>> Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>>
>> David
>> The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
>> > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
>> > New York City. :).
>> >
>> > Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
>> > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>> >
>> > -M<
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
>> > To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
>> > Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
>> > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
>> > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>> >
>> > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
>> > is a good plan.
>> >
>> > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
>> > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
>> > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
>> > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
>> > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
>> > Park.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
>> >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>> >>
>> >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>> >>
>> >> - laptop and charger only
>> >>
>> >> - laptop with small bag
>> >>
>> >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

andrewy at webair

May 22, 2008, 2:49 PM

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some useful links for getting around NYC using public transportation:

http://www.hopstop.com/

http://www.mta.info/mta/maps.htm

http://tripplanner.mta.info/

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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 16:41 -0500, Hyunseog Ryu wrote:

> One more thing...
> Rent-car may be not a good idea.
> Sometimes it's hard to find the parking spot. ^.^
> As Andrew said, it will be better to use public transportations such as
> cab, bus, and sub-way.
> It may take more time, but sometimes the driving style of New Yorker may
> be a little bit offensive, and finding parking lot may be a challenge. :-)
> If you are one of owls, there are plenty of places you can visit in
> night/early morning when you are not in the mood for sleeping ^>^
>
> Hyun
>
>
> andrew young wrote:
> > Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
> > There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
> > metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive.
> >
> > for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
> > check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year.
> > -
> > ------------------------------------
> > Andrew Young
> > Webair Internet Development, Inc
> > Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1
> > FAX: 516.938.5100
> > http://www.webair.com
> > andrewy[at]webair.com
> > -------------------------------------
> > We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service
> > you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager
> > directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare[at]webair.com
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +0000, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects. Brooklyn / NYC is pretty OK.
> >>
> >> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Chris McDonald <copraphage[at]gmail.com>
> >> To: Martin Hannigan
> >> Cc: davediaz[at]gmail.com <davediaz[at]gmail.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> >> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
> >> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >>
> >> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan[at]verneglobal.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: David Diaz <davediaz[at]gmail.com>
> >> To: Martin Hannigan
> >> Cc: jmaimon[at]ttec.com <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>; nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> >> Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
> >> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >>
> >> Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
> >>
> >> I gave basic smart tips for any big city. Just wear a Telx hat and
> >> you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
> >> the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
> >> 'about it....
> >>
> >>
> >> Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
> >>
> >> David
> >> The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> >> > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> >> > New York City. :).
> >> >
> >> > Don't buy any bridges. And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> >> > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
> >> >
> >> > -M<
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Paul Wall <pauldotwall[at]gmail.com>
> >> > To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com>
> >> > Cc: nanog[at]nanog.org <nanog[at]nanog.org>
> >> > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> >> > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >> >
> >> > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> >> > is a good plan.
> >> >
> >> > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> >> > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> >> > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> >> > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> >> > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> >> > Park.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon[at]ttec.com> wrote:
> >> >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >> >>
> >> >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >> >>
> >> >> - laptop and charger only
> >> >>
> >> >> - laptop with small bag
> >> >>
> >> >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

surfer at mauigateway

May 22, 2008, 5:03 PM

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--- Rod.Beck[at]hiberniaatlantic.com wrote:
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck[at]hiberniaatlantic.com>

Now that we have television shows like Miami Vice (which are available here in Paris in French), I expect the American public to be less biased in their views of New York. It is all a question of what cities are used as the background for the crime shows. :)
---------------------------------------------------

Then Honolulu must seem as a crime infested city to the rest of the world. There have been a gazillion shows like that here. (Hawaii 5-0, Magnum PI, etc.) BTW, it's not. :-)

scott

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