Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 17 May 2008 05:34:06 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg Hi, On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:20:06 +0930 Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote: > On Wed, 07 May 2008 12:24:57 16 May 2008 18:12:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105203 At the upcoming EusecWest Sebastian Muniz will apparently unveil an IOS rootkit. skip below for the news item itself. We've had discussions on this 16 May 2008 18:06:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105202 Hello all, I have some equipment going into a Telco Co which only offers battery backup on it's DC power plant. Most of the equipment that is 16 May 2008 18:02:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105201 On Wed, 07 May 2008 12:24:57 -0700 Nathan Anderson/FSR <nathana@fsr.com> wrote: > Here is a brief update on the situation: > <snip> > Team. They, i 16 May 2008 17:50:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105199 #include <sys/nanog/page.h> An AIM security engineer/admin is requested. Please contact off-list. (*) I'll settle for an AOL security type with a 16 May 2008 16:51:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105198 I'm hearing reports of a Hibernia outage on one of their fiber paths, with downtime approaching a week. Does anybody know what's going on there, and 16 May 2008 15:12:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105197 > Perhaps next each round of ammo will have its own IPv6 address. > Perhaps every round will (or anti-personnel) mine will be stamped with its V6 a 16 May 2008 14:05:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105194 OH, You mean like putting a sniper in a bunch of trees. They know that tactic well. :) Robert D. Scott Robert@ufl.edu Senior Network 16 May 2008 11:15:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105187 Hi folks, As everybody is a big fan of securing their networks against foreign attacks, be aware that the US DoD has been assigned 14 /22's, IPv6 tha 16 May 2008 10:09:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105180 have someone trying to get files to me from mexico d.f. their home site can not survive the uploads (a few tens of megabytes). anyone know someone 16 May 2008 09:20:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105178 Anyone have any contacts at Fixed Orbit or know anything about their setup? We have one peer that doesn't show in Fixed Orbit's tables. The peer h 16 May 2008 08:58:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105177 Hi, here is a quick question. 1. Beside public peering in IXP and private peering between two dedicated ASes, are there any other interconnection mode 16 May 2008 08:09:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105172 Hi, I would like to know what route should i accept from internet full or partial? if Partial then what routes should i accept? and how many route d 16 May 2008 07:16:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105165 How is the state of arts of NETCONF (RFC 4741) protocol? Is there any Network Management System Deployed which is base on NETCONF? Do you think sec 15 May 2008 19:28:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105159 Are there any good (published) BCPs for building out Municipal WiFi networks? Particularly in the security/authentication/scaling areas? Thanks in a 15 May 2008 14:21:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105157 NANOG 43 Meeting Attendees, Re: NANOG Room Block @ Marriott Brooklyn Bridge If you are holding a reservation at the group rate and need to cancel, 15 May 2008 11:58:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105164 Dear members, I just want to ask if anyone else have major troubles to install new or upgrade services with Global Crossing ? The story: Last year 15 May 2008 00:38:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105143 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: >Tired of overpaying for meds at your local pharm store? Here is the one 15 May 2008 00:09:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105142 Tired of overpaying for meds at your local pharm store? Here is the one stop solution for you: Housing the world's largest selection of items in o 14 May 2008 23:58:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105141 deepak@ai.net wrote: > Regulation could address this, a differentiated service could address > this, but this smacks of paying for a service to then 14 May 2008 15:46:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105138 Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for commercial purposes. Looks like the only way to somewhat opt out is by getting 14 May 2008 13:31:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105129 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick note, The thrice annual nanog pgp key signing party will be making an appearance at NANOG 14 May 2008 11:34:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105128 By the way, to add some IPv6 technical noise: Have you ever tried to set up MD5 auth. in a BGP over IPv6 session between an Alcatel 7750SR and a Cis 14 May 2008 05:00:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105122 Hello everyone, The NANOG Mailing List Committee is a group of individuals from the NANOG community who collectively are responsible for ensuring th 14 May 2008 01:25:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105123 Hi, I've just changed my IP/MPLS bakcbone with Alcatel ESSs and SRs. Where can I check on the SR 7750 the version of the IOM, to see if I have the I 14 May 2008 01:04:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105117 Hi Guyz, anyone from linkedin please contact me off list as we have not been able to open the website www.linkedin.com for sometime now!! Thanks -- 13 May 2008 22:53:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105116 Anyone use Alcatel switches in their network...like the 6850 omniswitch? What are your thoughts on them? What about Alcatel's MPLS edge routers like 13 May 2008 10:16:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105098 Dear all, The Steering Committee has unanimously agreed to start afresh with the composition of the Mail List Committee. There has been a long term, 13 May 2008 01:07:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105097 Just got this from InterNAP: Hello, This is notification of a fire in progress in the ACS building at 250 Williams Street in Atlanta. The building 12 May 2008 11:58:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105095 I'm seeing a significant slowdown between Atlanta and Orlando. Anyone else? 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... 5 ... 6 POS5-1.GW4.NYC4.ALTER.NET (157.130.1 12 May 2008 10:18:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105091 Apparently Thomas doesn't let you just publish a link to bills... The link I published doesn't work. There is also another net neutrality bill which 12 May 2008 10:11:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105090 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.5994: Overall, I think it's actually pretty good. Paragraph 28(a)(2) and especially when combined wit 12 May 2008 09:45:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105089 Would anyone be willing to share their experience with Nortel as a core switch platform off list? I am building out a small campus core and have recei 12 May 2008 08:19:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105087 RB> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 05:00:32 +0200 RB> From: Randy Bush RB> i suggest we focus on how to roll out v6 Bingo. Or, I begin to wonder if door #2 09 May 2008 21:45:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105085 Talk of IPv6 space hoarding and fragmentation. Ughh. Perhaps we can avoid repeating IPv4 mistakes with IPv6. Exponential problems need linear solut 09 May 2008 21:02:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105083 All, What do you know about "Akrino, Inc." My guess is going to be absolutely nothing since the network seems to be owned by a shill offshore corpora 09 May 2008 15:44:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105082 anybody no of any issues at 11:00 PST? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better frien 09 May 2008 11:31:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105081 If anyone cluefull at Yahoo SOC regarding BGP peering on the West Coast is out there I'd appreciate an email. Normal escalation of a latency issue 09 May 2008 09:23:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105079 Hi, Can someone from Cachefly contact me off-list please? Cheers, Babak _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list NANOG@na 09 May 2008 02:00:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105077 Anyone seeing the same? Summary : Multiple sites primary'd by auth*.uu.net nses being served SERVFAILs for queries. Implications are obvious VZN : 08 May 2008 20:07:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105073 Anyone seeing the same? VZN engineer : pls contact off list, sev-0 ; <<>> DiG 9.3.3 <<>> cunamutual.com ns ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answe 08 May 2008 20:04:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105072 Anyone else not able to access the PCH BGP Archive? http://www.pch.net/resources/data/routing-tables/archive/ I'm getting a 403 Forbidden. ________ 08 May 2008 06:25:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105063 I am having a bit of difficulty resolving a Flickr issue. Can someone point me to contact in Flickr? Cheers Gareth _____________________________ 08 May 2008 02:16:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105060 I've called Charter and they deny they have an issue. I'm looking to speak to a Charter engineer who can specifically help with issues in the South 07 May 2008 14:05:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105044 All; I am having a bit of difficulty resolving a Google matter. I am hoping to get pointed in the right direction by someone from Google. Tha 07 May 2008 07:43:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105033 I will be out of the office starting 05/07/2008 and will not return until 05/12/2008. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailin 07 May 2008 05:30:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105030 Hello, Has anyone else here seen problems with microsoft/msn/hotmail/live.com sites not performing PMTUD correctly? We have, for a while now, had 06 May 2008 12:07:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105013 We had a very strange problem today. Two of our hosts could not reach a server, but only those two hosts. All of our other hosts could reach those ser 05 May 2008 11:08:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104991 After a request, I can confirm that Burma / Myanmar dropped off the BGP tables here over the weekend : bgp.sum.May_2_00:07:00_EDT_2008: AS 9988 05 May 2008 10:21:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104988 scg@gibbard.org (Steve Gibbard) writes: > > ... if each anycast cluster is really several servers, each using OSPF > > ECMP, then you can lose a serv 05 May 2008 09:07:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104983 On 5 mei 2008, at 0:57, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I'd seriously be looking at making current -software- run more > efficiently > before counting ipv6-r 05 May 2008 01:07:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104980 Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. 04 May 2008 12:55:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104969 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, We are on the final stages of getting the host operational that has taken longer than we expected. 04 May 2008 11:48:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104966 Hello, Forgive me if this has been covered previously. I have recently discovered this list and have found it a gold mine of information. I've now 03 May 2008 22:29:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104961 Did Youtube not pay their domain bill? % dig @a.gtld-servers.net. ns yotube.com yotube.com. 2D IN NS ns1.parked.com. yotube.com. 03 May 2008 06:27:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104940 > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Mike Leber <mleber@he.net> wrote: > >> Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected > 02 May 2008 14:49:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104928 So I want to mimic some latency in a test network for DB replication. I am wondering what other's have used for this? Obviously, the best way to would 02 May 2008 13:12:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104917 Since nobody mentioned it yet, there are now less than 1000 days projected until IPv4 exhaustion: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ Do you have an 02 May 2008 11:51:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104916 Is there an engineer at Hurrican Electric that could contact me off list? It looks like you may have a static route to my network that you are advert 02 May 2008 07:46:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104911 One of my customers (out of AS11647) is seeing a lot of packet loss to their office in SBC's network (AS7132). The site is behind one of SBC's BASes 30 Apr 2008 12:17:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104901 I am hearing of problems from AT&T DSL customer to some destinations on the Internet. Is anyone else hearing these reports? _______________________ 30 Apr 2008 11:01:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104896 Has anyone else noticed a significant increase in latency within Comcast's network? -- LR Mack McBride Network Administrator Alpha Red, Inc. _____ 29 Apr 2008 21:43:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104892 This is just a quick note to let people know that another list archive is now available. The company I work for, MarkLogic, sells a server that combi 29 Apr 2008 21:13:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104891 > > They will then focus on the "NFL cities" for colocation and only provide > bandwidth/transport/other network services to everyone else. > Can 29 Apr 2008 12:21:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104885 Hi, I'm having troubles accessing Hananet DNS (AS9318) from AS44567. Probably because our IP Address space (93.92 etc etc) was listed in a very old v 29 Apr 2008 02:47:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104872 I'm looking to replace some old aging extreme black diamonds. I run a semi decent size data center and I'm looking at a few options. right now we run 28 Apr 2008 16:56:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104868 In 2006, I signed a 3 year contract with Broadwing for a 1 cabinet colocation with 6Mbs dedicated for under $1,000/mo. A few weeks ago, about halfw 28 Apr 2008 16:36:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104869 Can anybody shed some light on Internap's PNET AS22212? Specifaly how it relates to their PNAP architecture? Is Internap now doing peering? I was und 28 Apr 2008 09:01:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104862 Interesting Microsoft Research piece on macro-scale user behaviors: <http://research.microsoft.com/~horvitz/leskovec_horvitz_www2008.pdf> ---------- 26 Apr 2008 20:37:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104855 Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Todd Underwood <todd-nanog@renesys.com> wrote: >> y'all, >> >> just to remind everyone: > 26 Apr 2008 19:14:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104854 y'all, just to remind everyone: the discounted rate of registration for NANOG43 in Brooklyn expires Tuesday, April 30. after April 30, rates go up 26 Apr 2008 12:50:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104852 All, At ~19:00 UTC today, AS3300-BT/Infonet announced their full routing table to AS1239-Sprint, and Sprint accepted it and re-announced it to all of 26 Apr 2008 12:33:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104851 hello i have a question : " IF we would use multicast" streaming ONLY, for appropriet content , would `nt this " decrease " the overall int 26 Apr 2008 10:39:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104843 Now cogent isn't between my VoIP and my DSL: 1. adsl-63-194-NNN-NNN.dsl.lsan03.p 0.0% 82 57.4 22.7 8.3 58.3 16.3 2. dist3-vlan60.irvnca.s 25 Apr 2008 17:16:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104842 Anyone from Comcast (or anyone know anyone from Comcast) that can contact me regarding a routing issue on their network? I'm seeing some weird routing 25 Apr 2008 13:10:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104839 Scott, Do you want CWDM - Course Wave Division Multiplexing - > 100 nm optical spacing 1 - 10 x 2.5 - 10 Gbps lambdas DWDM 25 Apr 2008 10:26:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104831 I'm looking for someone to swap services with - we need a remote nameserver/test point, preferrably somewhere other than North America, and we can off 25 Apr 2008 07:15:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104826 Greetings all, I am having a bit of trouble with Road Runner, we have been blocked repeatedly for email that I believe to have been sent out on the 1 25 Apr 2008 06:51:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104824 On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:23 PM, Fouant, Stefan wrote: > </end lurk> > > Hi folks, > > Wondering if there is a good repository of information somewhere w 25 Apr 2008 03:34:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104818 Does anyone know where I can locate a list of DWDM networks deployed for Education, Science & Research, and Commercialization? We need to determine t 25 Apr 2008 01:00:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104816 I will be out of the office starting 23/04/2008 and will not return until 12/05/2008. Estoy fuera de la ciudad para cualquier cuestion de Conectivid 24 Apr 2008 20:02:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104815 Ladies and Gentlemen, Get Ready for.. Thought I would let you know about the Fashion Footwear SPRING Sale! Men and Women Designer Shoes, Heels, Sand 24 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104803 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FYI -/ - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: isotf outtages Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:41:42 24 Apr 2008 11:58:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104802 I'm seeing tons of availability issues to networks with AS paths ending in "7922 33491". A couple of the prefixes in question are 98.214.0.0/15, 69.13 24 Apr 2008 09:24:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104799 Can someone please recommend an alternate outages list, as it appears isoft.org is no longer functional. Thank You. _________________________________ 24 Apr 2008 09:06:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104798 Replies below: - Laird Popkin, CTO, Pando Networks mobile: 646/465-0570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gma 24 Apr 2008 08:40:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104795 Yes strongly agreed and Randy thanks for raising this here. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sent: 24 April 2008 11:30 To: 24 Apr 2008 07:01:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104790 > ISP's have been very clear that they regard their network maps as being proprietary for many good reasons. The approach that P4P takes is to have an 24 Apr 2008 06:30:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104783 Has anyone else noticed strange things with support.microsoft.com? If I wget it ('http://support.microsoft.com/') from anywhere, I get an index.html 24 Apr 2008 05:47:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104779 dear uk sisters, brothers, and undecideds, if you are a nomintet voting member or know someone who is, i strongly encourage you to read these two doc 24 Apr 2008 03:30:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104778 Hello all, Is anyone else have a problem with the NANOG messages ending up in their Outlook Junk Email folder since the migration to nanog.org? It on 23 Apr 2008 14:52:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104766 </end lurk> Hi folks, Wondering if there is a good repository of information somewhere which outlines the various major ISPs routing policies 23 Apr 2008 14:23:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104765 Knowing that some here use this data for ops purposes.....FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michelle Cotton <michelle.cotton@icann. 23 Apr 2008 13:23:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104763 Ted Seely has decided to step down from the NANOG Program Committee. On behalf of the Program Committee, and the NANOG community as a whole, I'd like 23 Apr 2008 13:00:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104762 On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Alexander Harrowell > <a.harrowell@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 23 Apr 2008 12:50:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104760 Is there a prefix list available listing the IP space of cryptographic export restricted countries? My google skills are failing me. I'm required to 22 Apr 2008 15:05:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104747 I'm pleased to announce the next OARC DNS Operations meeting will take place immediately after the NANOG43 meeting, in Brooklyn, NY, USA. The venue w 22 Apr 2008 12:52:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104743 I've tried from 4-5 different mail providers to send something to abuse@uky.edu. Can't figure out what's wrong, as I've never seen AuthRequired anywh 22 Apr 2008 07:44:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104731 Hi Guyz We have a cisco PDSN that acts as a NAS for our Wireless BroadBand Clients. The PDSN tackles the IP alllocation Part. This is because we have 22 Apr 2008 01:56:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104700 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- William Warren <hescominsoon@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com> wrote: >Here in comcast land hdtv is 21 Apr 2008 22:57:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104697