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All rights reserved. 17 May 2008 06:11:56 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg On Sat, 17 May 2008, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft > <mmc@internode.com.au> wrote: >> If the w 17 May 2008 04:10:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105225 On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft > <mmc@i 17 May 2008 04:08:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105224 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft > <mmc@internode. 17 May 2008 03:23:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105223 On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc@internode.com.au> wrote: > If the way of running this isn't out in the wild and it's actual 17 May 2008 03:12:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105222 On Sat, 17 May 2008, Paul Wall wrote: > What if some good comes from this "root kit"? > > For instance, what if it lets us fix things like DOM on non- 17 May 2008 02:38:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105221 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You certainly don't have to. However, as other folks have indicated here, that is the way that some 17 May 2008 02:31:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105220 On 17/05/2008, at 5:53 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > Nathan Ward wrote: >> If the foreign AS really wants to send you routes that way, they >> ca 17 May 2008 01:13:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105219 Simon Lockhart wrote: > > How long before we need to install Anti-virus / Anti-root-kit software on > our routers? > Nah - we'll just replace them 17 May 2008 00:50:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105218 On Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:47:02PM +0930, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > Paul Wall wrote: > > What if some good comes from this "root kit"? > > > I'm 17 May 2008 00:34:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105217 Paul Wall wrote: > What if some good comes from this "root kit"? > I'm sure it'll be good for a number of security providers to hawk their wares. 17 May 2008 00:17:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105216 What if some good comes from this "root kit"? For instance, what if it lets us fix things like DOM on non-Cisco XENPAKs and SFPs? Or lets us un-crip 16 May 2008 23:57:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105215 Nathan Ward wrote: > If the foreign AS really wants to send you routes that way, they can > do it regardless of how you stop your advertisements bei 16 May 2008 22:53:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105214 On 17/05/2008, at 5:30 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: >> If you really need to, you can get a similar effect by using >> ASPATH poisoning; just pre 16 May 2008 22:36:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105213 > If you really need to, you can get a similar effect by using ASPATH > poisoning; just prepend your AS paths with the ASes you don't want > those 16 May 2008 22:30:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105212 On 17/05/2008, at 5:05 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > Some MLPAs give you some control over routing (eg. don't send my > prefixes to ASxxxx), but a 16 May 2008 22:18:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105211 Kai Chen wrote: > >> There is the model where all partcipants peer through agency of 3rd party. >> That tends to be looked on as an extremely bad idea 16 May 2008 22:05:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105210 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Dragos Ruiu <dr@kyx.net> wrote: >The question this presentation begs for me... is how many of the 16 May 2008 21:00:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105208 IIRC, the toolkit(s) can only be installed once having priv 15 on the device. If this is the case, the practicality of this is...well...not that si 16 May 2008 20:57:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105209 The question this presentation begs for me... is how many of the folks on this list do integrity checking on their routers? You can no longer say t 16 May 2008 20:29:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105207 On 17/05/2008, at 3:52 AM, Kai Chen wrote: > Sure, two ASs may peer with each other at multiple locations, I do > want to > know in each of these pe 16 May 2008 20:07:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105206 On Fri, 16 May 2008, Paul Wall wrote: > Gadi, > > Please try to keep the self-promotion to a minimum, and come back when > you have meaningful data to 16 May 2008 18:19:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105205 Gadi, Please try to keep the self-promotion to a minimum, and come back when you have meaningful data to share with operators. Examples would includ 16 May 2008 18:13:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105204 Hi, On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:20:06 +0930 Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote: > On Wed, 07 May 2008 12:24:57 16 May 2008 18:12:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105203 At the upcoming EusecWest Sebastian Muniz will apparently unveil an IOS rootkit. skip below for the news item itself. We've had discussions on this 16 May 2008 18:06:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105202 Hello all, I have some equipment going into a Telco Co which only offers battery backup on it's DC power plant. Most of the equipment that is 16 May 2008 18:02:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105201 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:03:39AM -0700, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > Interesting comment Paul. However, 16e and evdo are a "bit" heavy > wit 16 May 2008 17:51:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105200 On Wed, 07 May 2008 12:24:57 -0700 Nathan Anderson/FSR <nathana@fsr.com> wrote: > Here is a brief update on the situation: > <snip> > Team. They, i 16 May 2008 17:50:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105199 #include <sys/nanog/page.h> An AIM security engineer/admin is requested. Please contact off-list. (*) I'll settle for an AOL security type with a 16 May 2008 16:51:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105198 I'm hearing reports of a Hibernia outage on one of their fiber paths, with downtime approaching a week. Does anybody know what's going on there, and 16 May 2008 15:12:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105197 :_) Another concept that might be useful with *that* much address space is the concept of modeling your ENEMIES' networks inside of unique space (p 16 May 2008 15:01:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105196 Brings a whole new meaning to packet fragmentation :) On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net> wrote: > > > Perhaps next each ro 16 May 2008 14:09:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105195 > Perhaps next each round of ammo will have its own IPv6 address. > Perhaps every round will (or anti-personnel) mine will be stamped with its V6 a 16 May 2008 14:05:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105194 > The other fun question is of course what a single > organization has to do with (2^(48-13)=) 34.359.738.368, > yes indeed, 34 billion /48's which c 16 May 2008 13:33:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105193 Deepak Jain wrote: > Are there any good (published) BCPs for building out Municipal WiFi > networks? Particularly in the security/authentication/scal 16 May 2008 12:55:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105192 On 16/05/2008 20:15 Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > My guess is that they don't want to be tied to only announcing a > single /13. Each of 16 May 2008 12:51:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105191 <apply hip waders> Please keep the political rhetoric off-list, thanks. </apply hip waders> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@un 16 May 2008 12:22:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105190 On May 16, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Robert D. Scott wrote: > OH, You mean like putting a sniper in a bunch of trees. They know that > tactic well. :) Yup 16 May 2008 11:41:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105189 I thought that I had seen an "open source muni wifi cookbook" somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. This might be useful to drill down int 16 May 2008 11:27:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105188 OH, You mean like putting a sniper in a bunch of trees. They know that tactic well. :) Robert D. Scott Robert@ufl.edu Senior Network 16 May 2008 11:15:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105187 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, Not to address the political issues here (which are deep, wide, and WAY too much 16 May 2008 11:15:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105186 This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent t 16 May 2008 11:07:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105185 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, Interesting comment Paul. However, 16e and evdo are a "bit" heavy with infrastructure to 16 May 2008 11:03:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105184 Perhaps it is an attempt to make their address space so sparsely populated that it's close to impossible to find a host without knowing it's address i 16 May 2008 10:58:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105183 Morgan, Fixed Orbit is broken, I doubt it has ever worked and I wouldn't use it for anything meaningful. Keith O'Neill Pando Networks Morgan Miske 16 May 2008 10:36:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105182 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net> wrote: > > Are there any good (published) BCPs for building out Municipal WiFi > networks 16 May 2008 10:23:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105181 Hi folks, As everybody is a big fan of securing their networks against foreign attacks, be aware that the US DoD has been assigned 14 /22's, IPv6 tha 16 May 2008 10:09:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105180 Deepak, Excellent question. I'm currently deploying a test environment for a large scale wifi network. You can see more project info at wiki.socal 16 May 2008 09:24:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105179 have someone trying to get files to me from mexico d.f. their home site can not survive the uploads (a few tens of megabytes). anyone know someone 16 May 2008 09:20:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105178 Anyone have any contacts at Fixed Orbit or know anything about their setup? We have one peer that doesn't show in Fixed Orbit's tables. The peer h 16 May 2008 08:58:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105177 2008/5/16 Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>: > Kai Chen wrote: > >> Hi, here is a quick question. >> 1. Beside public peering in IXP and private peerin 16 May 2008 08:52:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105176 Hi Eric, Sorry you're having troubles. If you send me an email with your customer information or give me a call I'll look into this and get you so 16 May 2008 08:46:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105175 Kai Chen wrote: > Hi, here is a quick question. > 1. Beside public peering in IXP and private peering between two dedicated > ASes, are there any othe 16 May 2008 08:31:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105174 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Barry Raveendran Greene <bgreene@senki.org> wrote: > > The nice thing about NANOG is that we have YEARS of on-line V 16 May 2008 08:25:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105173 Hi, here is a quick question. 1. Beside public peering in IXP and private peering between two dedicated ASes, are there any other interconnection mode 16 May 2008 08:09:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105172 The nice thing about NANOG is that we have YEARS of on-line Video training to help you get up to speed. 1. Go to http://www.nanog.org/subjects.html 16 May 2008 08:00:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105171 > > Hi, > > > I would like to know what route should i accept from internet full or > partial? > if Partial then what routes should i accept? and h 16 May 2008 07:59:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105170 Randy Bush writes: [in response to John Payne <john@sackheads.org>:] >> I've personally been waiting for the data modeling to be >> standardized. Ye 16 May 2008 07:46:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105169 Your questions depend on several details specific to your organization, which you haven't really devulged. There are several decent books on the sub 16 May 2008 07:45:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105168 devang patel wrote: > Hi, > > > I would like to know what route should i accept from internet full or > partial? > if Partial then what routes should 16 May 2008 07:43:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105167 > Hi, > > I would like to know what route should i accept from internet full or > partial? > if Partial then what routes should i accept? and how man 16 May 2008 07:34:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105166 Hi, I would like to know what route should i accept from internet full or partial? if Partial then what routes should i accept? and how many route d 16 May 2008 07:16:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105165 BGP Update Report Interval: 14-Apr-08 -to- 15-May-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN 16 May 2008 05:00:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105162 This report has been generated at Fri May 16 21:14:57 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on a 16 May 2008 05:00:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105163 > I've personally been waiting for the data modeling to be > standardized. Yes, it's great and wonderful to have a consistent > method of talking 16 May 2008 04:22:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105161 On May 15, 2008, at 10:28 PM, 袁智辉 wrote: > > How is the state of arts of NETCONF (RFC 4741) protocol? > > Is there any Network Management Syste 16 May 2008 04:18:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105160 How is the state of arts of NETCONF (RFC 4741) protocol? Is there any Network Management System Deployed which is base on NETCONF? Do you think sec 15 May 2008 19:28:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105159 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net> wrote: > > Are there any good (published) BCPs for building out Municipal WiFi > networks 15 May 2008 19:04:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105158 Are there any good (published) BCPs for building out Municipal WiFi networks? Particularly in the security/authentication/scaling areas? Thanks in a 15 May 2008 14:21:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105157 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Steven M. Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:52 -0400 > "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc. 15 May 2008 12:07:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105156 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Luke S Crawford <lsc@prgmr.com> wrote: > "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> writes: >> Oh, how do you kno 15 May 2008 12:01:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105155 NANOG 43 Meeting Attendees, Re: NANOG Room Block @ Marriott Brooklyn Bridge If you are holding a reservation at the group rate and need to cancel, 15 May 2008 11:58:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105164 On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:52 -0400 "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > > Oh, how do you know you can trust the VPN folks anymore 15 May 2008 11:22:43 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105154 "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> writes: > Oh, how do you know you can trust the VPN folks anymore than the > cable-modem folks though? 15 May 2008 11:14:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105153 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Steven M. Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:46:05 -0400 > The other day, the Wall Stree 15 May 2008 10:30:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105152 On May 15, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Erich Hohermuth wrote: > Dear members, > > I just want to ask if anyone else have major troubles to install new > or 15 May 2008 10:13:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105151 On Thursday 15 May 2008 16:23, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Someone via nanog@nanog.org spammed: > > Tired of > > [snip] > > Can anyone suggest a faster way 15 May 2008 09:35:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105150 Someone via nanog@nanog.org spammed: > Tired of [snip] Can anyone suggest a faster way to get yourself blackholed than to spam this list? -- Jay He 15 May 2008 08:23:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105149 On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:46:05 -0400 Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > On May 15, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > I've found 15 May 2008 06:58:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105148 On May 15, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I've found that using SSL for all my SMTP and IMAP transactions > and not entering personally ident 15 May 2008 06:46:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105147 I've found that using SSL for all my SMTP and IMAP transactions and not entering personally identifying information into non-SSL web pages greatly red 15 May 2008 06:34:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105146 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:47:22PM +0100, Simon Lockhart wrote: > There's a company called Phorm (www.phorm.com) trying to do this in the UK, > runnin 15 May 2008 05:59:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105145 I noticed this as well with a windows mobile device and activesync over the ail. Enforcing SSL communication seems to have fixed it, as I no longer g 15 May 2008 05:31:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105144 Dear members, I just want to ask if anyone else have major troubles to install new or upgrade services with Global Crossing ? The story: Last year 15 May 2008 00:38:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105143 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: >Tired of overpaying for meds at your local pharm store? Here is the one 15 May 2008 00:09:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105142 Tired of overpaying for meds at your local pharm store? Here is the one stop solution for you: Housing the world's largest selection of items in o 14 May 2008 23:58:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105141 Top posting due to lengthy email... In my experience from the last year on Alcatel (several years on E and M Juniper before that) you couldn't be mor 14 May 2008 16:05:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105140 On Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for > commercial pu 14 May 2008 15:47:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105139 deepak@ai.net wrote: > Regulation could address this, a differentiated service could address > this, but this smacks of paying for a service to then 14 May 2008 15:46:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105138 I think that a TV station cannot just digitally insert an ad into copyrighted material, as it would be considered a derivative work. .. they have appr 14 May 2008 15:40:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105137 > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20461817-HSI-Charter-to-monitor-surfing-insert-its-own-targeted-ads > This is definitely taking the position tha 14 May 2008 15:30:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105136 I have been using the 7750/7450 in a couple of my production environments. I have to say this: AMAZING. I have had very little problems with these ma 14 May 2008 15:23:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105135 Something Jon Devree and I were thinking about: How would they handle cookies the size of 1 MB or larger? Scary as it sounds, looks like a simple DOS 14 May 2008 15:19:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105134 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Nicolas Antoniello <nantoniello@antel.net.uy> wrote: > Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I 14 May 2008 15:19:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105133 Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > >> Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users an 14 May 2008 14:19:26 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105132 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for > commercial p 14 May 2008 13:49:49 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105131 In same spirit, something worst I think ... If you are in some airport with a GSM/Wifi phone, you are going to receive a mail, from local Wifi provi 14 May 2008 13:47:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105130 Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for commercial purposes. Looks like the only way to somewhat opt out is by getting 14 May 2008 13:31:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105129 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick note, The thrice annual nanog pgp key signing party will be making an appearance at NANOG 14 May 2008 11:34:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105128 Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I meant "neutral" in the sense of relation with each other (i.e. Not being hostile). Nic 14 May 2008 11:11:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105127 Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routing or switching solution, I regr 14 May 2008 11:05:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/105126