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All rights reserved. 08 Nov 2009 19:33:59 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg > DNS is NOT always defined by Paul... :) I agree Bill, but Paul is right on the money about how the DNS is being misused and abused to create more s 08 Nov 2009 18:02:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119694 On 2009-11-09, at 10:35, Simon Lyall wrote: > And my first question would be what would the load on the global > routing system if a couple of thou 08 Nov 2009 17:58:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119693 On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Alex Balashov wrote: > For example, perhaps in the case of CDNs geographic optimisation should be in > the province of routing (e 08 Nov 2009 17:35:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119692 > Alex Balashov wrote: > > For example, perhaps in the case of CDNs geographic optimisation > > should be in the province of routing (e.g. anycast) a 08 Nov 2009 17:27:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119691 On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:46 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >> >> "The paper also presents the results of trace-driven simulations that >> explor 08 Nov 2009 16:59:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119690 On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 07:42:18PM -0500, David Andersen wrote: > > On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > >On Sun, No 08 Nov 2009 16:46:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119689 On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Dave Temkin <davet1@gmail.com> wrote: > In most cases it already is.  He completely fails to address the concept of > 08 Nov 2009 16:42:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119688 On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:30 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 07:17:16PM -0500, David Andersen wrote: >> >> "Our trace-d 08 Nov 2009 16:42:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119687 On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 07:17:16PM -0500, David Andersen wrote: > > "Our trace-driven simulations yield two findings. First, reducing the 08 Nov 2009 16:30:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119686 On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Dave Temkin <davet1@gmail.com> wrote: > He also assumes that DNS is some great expense and that by not allowing > ton 08 Nov 2009 16:30:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119685 DNS is NOT always defined by Paul... :) --bill On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:39:47PM -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > Thought-provoking article by Paul V 08 Nov 2009 16:17:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119684 On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Dave Temkin wrote: > Alex Balashov wrote: >> >> >> >> For example, perhaps in the case of CDNs geographic optimisation 08 Nov 2009 16:17:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119683 Alex Balashov wrote: > > > > For example, perhaps in the case of CDNs geographic optimisation > should be in the province of routing (e.g. anycast) a 08 Nov 2009 16:06:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119682 Dave Temkin wrote: > Alex Balashov wrote: >> Thought-provoking article by Paul Vixie: >> >> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1647302 >> > I doubt H 08 Nov 2009 16:01:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119681 Alex Balashov wrote: > Thought-provoking article by Paul Vixie: > > http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1647302 > I doubt Henry Ford would appreciate t 08 Nov 2009 15:58:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119680 Basically the organisation that I'm working for will not have the skills in house to support a linux or bsd box. They will have trouble with supporti 08 Nov 2009 15:36:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119679 There are any problems with quagga+BSD/Linux that you know or something like that? Or in your scenario a "cisco/juniper box" is a requirement? I'm 08 Nov 2009 15:30:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119678 >________________________________________ >From: adel@baklawasecrets.com [adel@baklawasecrets.com] >- BGP router capable of holding full Internet rou 08 Nov 2009 14:46:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119677 So if my requirements are as follows: - BGP router capable of holding full Internet routing table. (whether I go for partial or full, I think I want 08 Nov 2009 14:39:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119675 So if my requirements are as follows: - BGP router capable of holding full Internet routing table. (whether I go for partial or full, I think I want 08 Nov 2009 14:39:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119674 Thought-provoking article by Paul Vixie: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1647302 -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems Web : http:// 08 Nov 2009 14:39:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119676 Sean Donelan wrote: > > Oh, the cloud service provider won't negotiate, won't give you unlimited > service credits, want to charge extra for that pro 08 Nov 2009 14:34:22 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119673 On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, Dobbins, Roland wrote: >> if the discussion hasn't shifted from that of DDoS to EDoS, it >> should. > > All DDoS is 'EDoS' - it's 08 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119672 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > I think partial routes makes perfect sense, makes sense that traffic for customers who are connected to each of my up 08 Nov 2009 14:18:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119671 In message <75cb24520911060747x3556e01tbb80be8c9e0d58b3@mail.gmail.com>, Christ opher Morrow writes: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM, <Valdis.Kletni 08 Nov 2009 14:17:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119670 I think partial routes makes perfect sense, makes sense that traffic for customers who are connected to each of my upstreams should go out of the corr 08 Nov 2009 14:13:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119669 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > Hi, > > Ok thanks for clearing that up. I'm getting some good feedback on applying for PI and ASN through Ripe LIRs 08 Nov 2009 14:01:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119668 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the info on UKNOF. I've started a thread there with regards to RIPE and obtaining ASN numbers an 08 Nov 2009 13:53:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119667 Hi, Ok thanks for clearing that up. I'm getting some good feedback on applying for PI and ASN through Ripe LIRs over on the UKNOF so I think I have 08 Nov 2009 13:39:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119666 Don't think I sent the below to the list, so resending: Thanks Seth and James, Things are getting a lot clearer. The BGP multihoming solution soun 08 Nov 2009 13:00:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119665 Hi, Thanks for the info on UKNOF. I've started a thread there with regards to RIPE and obtaining ASN numbers and so on., as this is I guess quite UK 08 Nov 2009 12:54:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119664 Hi Adel There are companies like packet exchange (www.packetexchange.net) (whom i have personally used) who will do all of the legwork for you, such 08 Nov 2009 12:24:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119663 Thanks Seth and James, Things are getting a lot clearer. The BGP multihoming solution sounds like exactly what I want. I have more questions :-) N 08 Nov 2009 12:17:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119662 Kanak, We're not a Staminus reseller. Please do your homework: http://webtrace.info/asn/32421 . I'm not going to hold court on whether or not you or 08 Nov 2009 12:01:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119661 On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:23:41 MST, Blake Pfankuch said: > I wouldn't sway from the big names for your primary connections either. This is, of course 08 Nov 2009 11:46:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119660 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > Thanks for all your comments guys. With regards to bgp I did > think about placing two bgp routers in front of the s 08 Nov 2009 10:19:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119659 Seth Mattinen [sethm@rollernet.us] said: >Forget all of that and just multihome to two separate providers with BGP --Assuming that you're advertising 08 Nov 2009 10:09:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119658 Thanks for all your comments guys. With regards to bgp I did think about placing two bgp routers in front of the ssg's. However my limited understan 08 Nov 2009 09:34:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119657 On 2009-11-08-10:23:41, Blake Pfankuch <bpfankuch@cpgreeley.com> wrote: > Make sure they operate their own network for last mile [...] > I wouldn't sw 08 Nov 2009 09:29:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119656 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > HI, > > I was recently brought onto a project where some failover is desired, but I think that the number of connect 08 Nov 2009 09:23:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119655 Anton Kapela wrote: > What curve must we shift to get routers with hardware and software > that's both a) fast b) reliable and c) cheap -- in the hope 08 Nov 2009 08:51:06 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119654 Owen, > We could learn a lot about this from Aviation.  Nowhere in human history has > more research, care, training, and discipline been applied to 08 Nov 2009 08:26:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119653 adel@baklawasecrets.com wrote: > HI, > > > Now I couldn't get any good answers as to why Internet connections 1 and 2 need to be separate. I think th 08 Nov 2009 07:47:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119652 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: adel@baklawasecrets.com [mailto:adel@baklawasecrets.com] >> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:52 AM >> To: n 08 Nov 2009 07:23:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119651 HI, I was recently brought onto a project where some failover is desired, but I think that the number of connections provisioned is excessive. Also 08 Nov 2009 03:51:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119650 2009/11/6 Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net> > The primary issue is that we receive a fair > deal of customers who end up with wide scale DD 08 Nov 2009 02:27:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119649 On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:33 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote: > if the discussion hasn't shifted from that of DDoS to EDoS, it > should. All DDoS is 'EDoS' - 07 Nov 2009 18:33:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119648 > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:22:19 -0500 > From: Jon Meek <meekjt@gmail.com> > > I use iperf with packet capture on both sides, then analyze the packet 07 Nov 2009 15:56:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119647 Hello, Jeffery and other NANOC members. Sorry for making another thread - I'm not too experienced in mailgroups. The problem is in structure of new 07 Nov 2009 13:58:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119646 Device driver? Nah. Just use a tool (like Scapy) to just arbitrarily, easily custom-craft any packet he|she wants ... Yes, it is that easy. Thanks 07 Nov 2009 13:40:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119645 On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: >>> paragraph (1) shall be liable for any damages caused thereby, including >>> damages suffered by SIPC 07 Nov 2009 12:48:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119644 It's not all that easy unless the dude has hacked the device driver. Owen DeLong wrote: > And of course, a rogue RA station would _NEVER_ mess with t 07 Nov 2009 12:36:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119643 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Feeny [mailto:bfeeny@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:37 PM > > (packet sizes, features, etc) 07 Nov 2009 12:02:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119642 > -----Original Message----- > From: Florian Weimer [mailto:fweimer@bfk.de] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:55 AM > > Not all attacks involve sat 07 Nov 2009 11:33:44 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119641 > -----Original Message----- > From: Florian Weimer [mailto:fweimer@bfk.de] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:52 AM > To: Stefan Fouant > Cc: 'Jeffr 07 Nov 2009 11:07:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119640 Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:04 PM, JC Dill wrote: > >> Owen DeLong wrote: >>> >>> We could learn a lot about this from Aviation. Now 07 Nov 2009 10:45:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119639 What I am gathering is that you are looking to by a off brand switch? If this is the case, then I would argue reliability and speed aren't importan 07 Nov 2009 10:37:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119638 And of course, a rogue RA station would _NEVER_ mess with that bit in what it transmits... Uh, yeah. Owen On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Richard Benne 07 Nov 2009 10:29:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119637 On 07/11/2009 18:21, Deric Kwok wrote: > Hi > > I am requested to get not brand list switch > > how can I test it? any software or methods > > eg: > r 07 Nov 2009 10:09:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119636 On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:04 PM, JC Dill wrote: > Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> We could learn a lot about this from Aviation. Nowhere in human >> history 07 Nov 2009 10:04:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119635 Hi I am requested to get not brand list switch how can I test it? any software or methods eg: reliable speed or any need Thank you so much 07 Nov 2009 09:21:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119634 Adrian Chadd <adrian@creative.net.au> wrote: >> As already said, wireless in infrastructure mode (with access points) >> always sends traffic between 07 Nov 2009 04:15:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119633 The Wi-Fi MAC protocol has a pair of header bits that mean "from AP" and "to AP." In ad-hoc mode, a designated station acts as an AP, so that's 07 Nov 2009 02:41:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119632 On Sat, Nov 07, 2009, Bernhard Schmidt wrote: > As already said, wireless in infrastructure mode (with access points) > always sends traffic between 06 Nov 2009 17:54:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119631 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: noc acrino <noc.akrino@gmail.com> Date: 2009/11/6 Subject: Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian polic 06 Nov 2009 17:39:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119630 David W. Hankins <David_Hankins@isc.org> wrote: > There are some wireless equipment that claim to have a setting that > forces all packets through th 06 Nov 2009 17:09:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119629 Kanak, Can you please detail your plans to correct the malware issues on your network? (reference: http://google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=AS: 06 Nov 2009 14:02:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119628 BGP Update Report Interval: 29-Oct-09 -to- 05-Nov-09 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN 06 Nov 2009 14:00:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119626 This report has been generated at Fri Nov 6 21:11:16 2009 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on a 06 Nov 2009 14:00:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119627 On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 04:50:10PM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:06:56PM -0600, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > Definitely 06 Nov 2009 12:34:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119625 Owen DeLong wrote: > > We could learn a lot about this from Aviation. Nowhere in human > history has > more research, care, training, and discipline 06 Nov 2009 12:04:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119624 Kanak, It's good to see you here. The primary issue is that we receive a fair deal of customers who end up with wide scale DDoS attacks followed by a 06 Nov 2009 11:01:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119623 This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent t 06 Nov 2009 10:32:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119622 Greetings! Let me introduce myself - I as a part of a support team represent NOC Akrino, the team responsible of the technical use of AKRINO Networks 06 Nov 2009 10:20:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119621 On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM, <sthaug@nethelp.no> wrote: >> > Don't get hung up on the wording. A DNS blackhole list will do the >> > trick as wel 06 Nov 2009 08:09:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119620 > > Don't get hung up on the wording. A DNS blackhole list will do the > > trick as well. I don't think border ACLs on routers will be necessary. > > 06 Nov 2009 08:07:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119619 (top posting makes it hard to follow the conversation, but...) On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Brashear <Jonathan.Brashear@hq.speakeasy.net 06 Nov 2009 07:58:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119618 On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Dan Golding <dgolding@tier1research.com> wrote: > > Don't get hung up on the wording. A DNS blackhole list will do th 06 Nov 2009 07:56:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119617 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there an RFC(2142 if memory serves) that states filtering certain email addresses(like abuse@, noc@, support@) isn' 06 Nov 2009 07:52:09 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119616 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrote: > I think the idea is for the government to create an official blacklist 06 Nov 2009 07:51:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119615 On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:06:56PM -0600, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > Definitely a problem. The point of using 65123:45678 in the first place > (wi 06 Nov 2009 07:50:10 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119614 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said: >> Did I miss a thread on this? 06 Nov 2009 07:47:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119613 On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 C 06 Nov 2009 06:58:35 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119612 On 11/6/09 10:52 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Stefan Fouant: > > >> Obviously the cloud is no different than any other infrastructure insofar as > 06 Nov 2009 06:25:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119611 * Stefan Fouant: > Which is why vendors selling DDoS mitigation equipment will always tell you > to get a 15lb. bag first. ;) Their solutions work, 06 Nov 2009 01:55:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119610 * Stefan Fouant: > Obviously the cloud is no different than any other infrastructure insofar as > implementing protection mechanisms. It's different 06 Nov 2009 01:52:19 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119609 * Jeffrey Lyon: > Net neutrality suffers another blow. I liked Congress when they had no > idea what the internet was, now they've progressed to "sti 06 Nov 2009 00:18:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119608 On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:04:18AM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:13:38PM -0600, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > Rather tha 05 Nov 2009 21:06:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119607 On Nov 6, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote: > So if I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying that no matter how > much infrastructure you have 05 Nov 2009 19:29:15 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119606 Barry Shein wrote: > I was at an IP (as in intellectual property), um, "constituency" I > think, IPC, meeting at ICANN which basically consisted of 99 05 Nov 2009 19:10:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119605 I was at an IP (as in intellectual property), um, "constituency" I think, IPC, meeting at ICANN which basically consisted of 99 lawyers and me in the 05 Nov 2009 18:26:05 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119604 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgster@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:26 PM > > On Thu, Nov 5, 200 05 Nov 2009 17:35:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119603 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Stefan Fouant <sfouant@shortestpathfirst.com> wrote: >> >> Actually, n 05 Nov 2009 17:25:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119602 Net neutrality suffers another blow. I liked Congress when they had no idea what the internet was, now they've progressed to "still have no idea but l 05 Nov 2009 17:16:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119601 IANAL, but I wouldn't set too much stock by that order - there are numerous errors of fact in the opinion, and much of it relates to the lack of due 05 Nov 2009 17:14:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119600 On Nov 5, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote: > On November 5, 2009, Robert Boyle wrote: >> It's >> because someone circumvented the rules, >> 05 Nov 2009 17:08:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119599 On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Richard Bennett wrote: > I think the idea is for the government to create an official > blacklist of the offending site 05 Nov 2009 16:58:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119598 > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Dobbins [mailto:rdobbins@arbor.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:35 PM > > On Nov 6, 2009, at 2: 05 Nov 2009 16:46:40 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119597 I think the idea is for the government to create an official blacklist of the offending sites, and for ISPs to consult it before routing a packet to 05 Nov 2009 16:44:27 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119596 On November 5, 2009, Robert Boyle wrote: > It's > because someone circumvented the rules, > processes, and cross checks put in place to > prevent 05 Nov 2009 16:30:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/119595