Mailing List Archive by Gossamer Threads http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ en-us (c) Gossamer Threads Inc. All rights reserved. 25 Nov 2009 00:46:23 -0800 120 75 23 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/images/lists/rss_logo.jpg On 2009-11-24, at 23:14, Christopher Morrow wrote: > To really move forward and get to 100% (or as near as we can hope for) > what steps/actions/chan 25 Nov 2009 00:01:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120155 On 25.11 06:21, Randy Bush wrote: > > Of course if it was already assigned when IANA said that (no dates on > > the link above) then maybe the fault 24 Nov 2009 23:57:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120154 Russell Myba wrote: > Let's say our direct customer is CustomerA. They seem to buy rackspace from > BusinessB. CustomerA seem to retain BusinessC fo 24 Nov 2009 23:27:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120153 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Michael Peddemors <michael@linuxmagic.com> wrote: > > Depends on the 24 Nov 2009 23:17:57 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120152 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote: > It seems to me that at some point we need to stop trying to put dresses on t 24 Nov 2009 23:14:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120151 On November 24, 2009, Russell Myba wrote: > > Spamhaus is the first one that comes to mind. From what I understand of > > your description, this does 24 Nov 2009 22:55:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120150 and in the absence of source routing, why would I care what happens past the first hop? to the extent I can know, document, and prove my internal n 24 Nov 2009 22:46:18 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120149 Of course, the FCC/FTC could always get involved and mandate full disclosure and peering neutrality. That might be fun. RB Richard Bennett wrote: 24 Nov 2009 22:35:53 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120148 On 2009-11-24, at 20:58, Randy Bush wrote: >> Right. You can't advertise an ASN >> you can only advertise a route and include an AS_PATH attribute on 24 Nov 2009 22:34:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120147 Speculation about how the money flows is a worthwhile activity. Paul Wall wrote: On 11/25/09, Richard Bennett [1]<richard@bennett.com> wrote: It 24 Nov 2009 22:27:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120146 On 11/25/09, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrote: > It turns out you can say any damn thing you want about peering since > nobody has any fact 24 Nov 2009 22:22:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120145 I haven't found a good source who knows what's going on outside his own network. Randy Bush wrote: It turns out you can say any damn thing you 24 Nov 2009 22:00:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120144 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Russell Myba <rusmyba@gmail.com> wrote: > Looks like of our customers has decided to turn their /24 into a nice littl 24 Nov 2009 21:45:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120143 > It turns out you can say any damn thing you want about peering since > nobody has any facts. not really. it's just that those with the facts have 24 Nov 2009 21:10:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120142 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2009-11-23, at 21:32, Jon Lewis wrote: > >> Checking "global BGP" only works if the ASN is being announc 24 Nov 2009 21:08:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120141 * richard@bennett.com (Richard Bennett) [Wed 25 Nov 2009, 05:56 CET]: >It turns out you can say any damn thing you want about peering since >nobody h 24 Nov 2009 21:07:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120140 > Right. You can't advertise an ASN > you can only advertise a route and include an AS_PATH attribute on it > which makes mention of a particular AS n 24 Nov 2009 20:58:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120139 Yes, it's a good old-fashioned Usenet-style flame-fest. Sort of. It turns out you can say any damn thing you want about peering since nobody has any 24 Nov 2009 20:55:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120138 http://gigaom.com/2009/11/22/how-video-is-changing-the-internet/ Does the FTC's question 106 hurt paid peering or not? 88 comments. Makes real inter 24 Nov 2009 20:48:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120137 On 2009-11-24, at 20:02, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Checking "global BGP" only works if the ASN is being announced at that instant. >> How do you announce 24 Nov 2009 20:09:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120136 > > > I'm confused. Who are you billing and for what services? > > Let's say our direct customer is CustomerA. They seem to buy rackspace from Busin 24 Nov 2009 20:07:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120135 >> Checking "global BGP" only works if the ASN is being announced at that instant. > How do you announce an ASN? read a basic bgp primer and look at 24 Nov 2009 20:02:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120134 Russell Myba wrote: > Looks like of our customers has decided to turn their /24 into a nice little > space spewing machine. Doesn't seem like just on 24 Nov 2009 19:57:30 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120133 On 2009-11-23, at 21:32, Jon Lewis wrote: > Checking "global BGP" only works if the ASN is being announced at that instant. How do you announce an A 24 Nov 2009 19:54:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120132 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Russell Myba wrote: > Looks like of our customers has decided to turn their /24 into a nice little > space spewing machine. Doe 24 Nov 2009 19:43:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120131 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Russell Myba <rusmyba@gmail.com> wrote: > Looks like of our customers 24 Nov 2009 19:26:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120130 Looks like of our customers has decided to turn their /24 into a nice little space spewing machine. Doesn't seem like just one compromised host. Rev 24 Nov 2009 19:22:36 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120129 Brad Laue wrote: > Ah, very true. Still really hoping to get in touch with someone from AT&T. :-) Good luck. You might be a better response from pos 24 Nov 2009 16:16:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120128 On 2009-11-24, at 6:15 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:38:33 EST, Brad Laue said: > >> True, but wouldn't a blacklist of 24 Nov 2009 16:06:42 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120127 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:38:33 EST, Brad Laue said: > True, but wouldn't a blacklist of SPF records for known spam issuing > domains be a more maintain 24 Nov 2009 15:15:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120126 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:19:33PM +0100, Leland Vandervort wrote: > In this case, though I cannot see where the mismatch is given that the > encapsul 24 Nov 2009 14:54:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120125 Brad Fleming wrote: > My company is searching for some Ethernet over DS3 converters / adaptors > for a specific installation. I see several options f 24 Nov 2009 14:47:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120124 On November 24, 2009, Brad Laue wrote: > True, but wouldn't a blacklist of SPF records for known spam issuing > domains be a more maintainable list t 24 Nov 2009 14:01:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120123 On 2009-11-24, at 1:27 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:50:54 EST, Brad Laue said: >>> mainta 24 Nov 2009 13:38:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120122 the joys of non-uniqueness. ULAs are (going to be) your friends. :) back in the day, the IANA was pretty careful. the contractors less so. SRI ha 24 Nov 2009 13:28:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120121 > Of course if it was already assigned when IANA said that (no dates on > the link above) then maybe the fault is more IANA's for telling another > 24 Nov 2009 13:21:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120118 Thanks Ross, In this case, though I cannot see where the mismatch is given that the encapsulation, trunking (vlans allowed, etc.) and channel mode ( 24 Nov 2009 13:19:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120117 Justin Shore wrote: > Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> At 18:29 24/11/2009 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: >>> > RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: >>> >>> 24 Nov 2009 13:17:28 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120120 Hank Nussbacher wrote: > At 18:29 24/11/2009 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: >> > RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: >> >> on what date was AS1712 as 24 Nov 2009 12:58:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120116 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Darren Bolding wrote: > I need to identify a quality data cabling contractor in the Bay Area Kray Cabling. http://kraycabli 24 Nov 2009 12:21:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120115 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM, <sfouant@shortestpathfirst.net> wrote: > AS 701 Verizon Business (formerly UUNet) has a POP in Miami I believe, and 24 Nov 2009 12:16:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120114 John Curran wrote: > On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > >> In all seriousness though, how does this get fixed? >> > > 24 Nov 2009 11:55:39 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120113 On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Tony Finch wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Jared Mauch wrote: >> >> I don't see operators jumping at the idea of cen 24 Nov 2009 11:02:04 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120112 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Jared Mauch wrote: > > I don't see operators jumping at the idea of central trust anchor > myself, no more than I see every 24 Nov 2009 10:57:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120110 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:51:29AM +0100, Leland Vandervort wrote: > Essentially, for all of the MEC connections, the VSS has created a clone > of the 24 Nov 2009 10:57:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120111 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:50:54 EST, Brad Laue said: >> maintained. I'm unclear as to why mail administrators don't work 24 Nov 2009 10:27:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120119 On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > In all seriousness though, how does this get fixed? It's being addressed now, but requires 24 Nov 2009 10:19:51 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120109 On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:50:54 EST, Brad Laue said: > maintained. I'm unclear as to why mail administrators don't work more > proactively with things l 24 Nov 2009 10:10:38 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120108 >I don't think there is any reason to have hard-set speed and duplex, >particularly between two Cisco's. Why not just set *both* sides (you >can't se 24 Nov 2009 09:04:32 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120107 I actually have seen where you have to hard set to speed 1000 to get this type of link up, even Cisco to Cisco. -Scott -----Original Message 24 Nov 2009 08:52:02 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120106 Patrick Tracanelli wrote: > Brad Laue escreveu: > >> Hi all, >> >> Would I be able to get an AT&T mail administrator to contact me off-list? We've 24 Nov 2009 08:50:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120105 Hello Michael: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Ruiz [mailto:mruiz@telwestservices.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:02 AM > To: 24 Nov 2009 08:25:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120104 Group, I am having an issue with activating a Gige interface between a Cisco 7206 VXR w/IO-1GE module to a 7606 w/sup720-3bxls con 24 Nov 2009 08:01:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120102 If memory serves me right, Randy Bush wrote: > is there a freebsd pam tacacs+ hack? Yep. Haven't actually used it though. PAM_TACPLUS(8) F 24 Nov 2009 08:01:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120103 Here is another product family that supports also GE over PDH. http://telrad.com/pages/products/eopdh-cpe.aspx Regards, Uri Joskovitch VP Pr 24 Nov 2009 07:17:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120101 Long time ago I assited on consultation for this device. Probably provide what you are looking for: http://www.zhone.com/products/ETHX-2200-DS3/ On 24 Nov 2009 07:10:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120100 Brad Laue escreveu: > Hi all, > > Would I be able to get an AT&T mail administrator to contact me off-list? We've recently moved our mailservers to a 24 Nov 2009 05:51:48 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120099 At 0:32 -0500 11/24/09, Jon Lewis wrote: >Lots of ASNs have been assigned but aren't visible in the global table. And not all global networks (needi 24 Nov 2009 05:51:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120098 Paul Stewart escreveu: > Hi folks... > > > > Anyone have much experience with outsourcing antispam/antivirus to > Tucows? We use Postini today an 24 Nov 2009 05:43:16 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120097 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Brad Fleming <bdfleming@kanren.net> wrote: > Hello all, > > My company is searching for some Ethernet over DS3 conver 24 Nov 2009 04:31:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120096 I've been using the RAD products for years. The price is right and they are extremely reliable. On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Brad Fleming wrote: > 24 Nov 2009 04:26:21 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120095 * Christopher Morrow: > In all seriousness though, how does this get fixed? AS number translation, perhaps? But more seriously, in general, it is i 24 Nov 2009 01:56:25 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120094 At 18:29 24/11/2009 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: > >on what date was AS1712 assigned to the current RIPE ho 24 Nov 2009 01:41:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120093 > RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: on what date was AS1712 assigned to the current RIPE holder? randy 24 Nov 2009 01:29:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120092 On 24.11 08:48, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: > > RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: > > ... > > PS: And yes we are going to make the REX tool f 24 Nov 2009 00:56:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120091 Hi all, Would I be able to get an AT&T mail administrator to contact me off-list? We've recently moved our mailservers to a new IP address range, and 24 Nov 2009 00:54:59 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120090 RIS Routing History for AS1712 since 2001: AS From To avg #peers 12.196.66.0/23 AS1712 20091026 08:00 23 Nov 2009 23:48:17 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120089 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 08:25:33PM -0500, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote a message of 44 lines which said: > Is it too much to ask that the RI 23 Nov 2009 23:36:11 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120088 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 07:42:34PM -0500, Durand, Alain <alain_durand@cable.comcast.com> wrote a message of 14 lines which said: > The whole value 23 Nov 2009 23:34:20 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120087 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:44 AM, shake righa <ssrigha@gmail.com> wrote: > At the moment the market is competitive and clients are getting > various di 23 Nov 2009 23:14:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120086 >> how to detect if there are more instances? > > o Should some form of 'scrape routeviews before assignment' happen at > the RIR? (if you don't like 23 Nov 2009 22:58:41 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120085 Hi all.. this one seems to have stumped even the community forums on CCO ;) Anyone else seen this behaviour? (It's not actually a problem as such si 23 Nov 2009 22:51:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120084 At the moment the market is competitive and clients are getting various different offers from different competitors.Thus you find them enquiring about 23 Nov 2009 22:44:46 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120083 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Bryan King wrote: > You can use them as a simple Ethernet bridge if that is all you need/want, > but they also will handle VLA 23 Nov 2009 22:35:50 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120082 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >>> how to detect if there ar 23 Nov 2009 21:43:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120081 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> how to detect if there are more instances? > > o Should some form of 'scrape routeviews before assi 23 Nov 2009 21:32:55 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120080 As mentioned, there is a limitation to TCP-based speed tests - TCP throughput is very sensitive to packet losses, particularly during slow-start, in a 23 Nov 2009 21:02:08 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120079 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >> In all seriousness though, how does this get fixed? and... who has to >> renumbe 23 Nov 2009 20:33:01 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120078 Jared Mauch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:58:00AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> It's not just AS1712. AS1707 - AS1726 appear to all have be 23 Nov 2009 18:03:45 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120077 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Durand, Alain wrote: > On 11/23/09 7:25 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote: > >> how to prevent new instances, both asn and 23 Nov 2009 17:25:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120076 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Brad Fleming <bdfleming@kanren.net> wrote: > Hello all, > > My company is searching for some Ethernet over DS3 conve 23 Nov 2009 17:22:54 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120075 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:58:00AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > It's not just AS1712. AS1707 - AS1726 appear to all have been > > allocated to Renate 23 Nov 2009 17:11:29 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120074 > The answer to the above question seems to be stricter process. mops schmops. formal rigor and tools, please. randy 23 Nov 2009 17:03:12 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120073 On 11/23/09 7:25 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote: > how to prevent new instances, both asn and ip? > The whole value of the RIR is to guarant 23 Nov 2009 16:42:34 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120072 > In all seriousness though, how does this get fixed? and... who has to > renumber? :) luckily, it's not a renumber in the ip address sense. but som 23 Nov 2009 16:25:56 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120071 > It's not just AS1712. AS1707 - AS1726 appear to all have been > allocated to Renater. AS1707 was ERX'd to RIPE on Sep 9, 2002, but it > appears th 23 Nov 2009 14:58:00 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120070 On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:11 AM, shake righa wrote: > Hi, > > how does one truly test internet speeds provided by your provider. > I am going to go back 23 Nov 2009 14:40:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120069 I like the Overture Networks products. Take a look at the link provided by Bryan. Vince On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Brad Fleming <bdfleming@ka 23 Nov 2009 12:59:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120068 Brad Fleming wrote: > Hello all, > > My company is searching for some Ethernet over DS3 converters / adaptors > for a specific installation. I see s 23 Nov 2009 12:42:58 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120067 Hello all, My company is searching for some Ethernet over DS3 converters / adaptors for a specific installation. I see several options from Adtra 23 Nov 2009 12:25:07 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120066 Hello, I need to identify a quality data cabling contractor in the Bay Area (Peninsula/Palo-Alto/Redwood City) area, and most of the folks I've worke 23 Nov 2009 12:10:47 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120065 AS 701 Verizon Business (formerly UUNet) has a POP in Miami I believe, and they connect directly into their AS in LatAm. Regards, Stefan Fouant www. 23 Nov 2009 12:01:23 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120064 All, I know this is a long shot, but can anyone help me out on getting in touch with carriers in Miami FL. one that can pass ip traffic into latin 23 Nov 2009 11:47:03 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120063 The tools such as iperf need some level of expertise to use. some end users lack this level of expertise. are there any tools simply for end users to 23 Nov 2009 11:36:37 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120062 Doesn't really say much, but blacklisted would certainly cause those problems rather then just having server problems http://www.dslreports.com/shown 23 Nov 2009 11:13:52 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120060 Vasil Kolev <vasil@ludost.net>, 2009-10-22 21:03 (+0200): > how should we provide DNS and other useful information for the V6 only > people? What Ro 23 Nov 2009 10:42:33 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120061 Same here Many bounces, started this weekend. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile 23 Nov 2009 10:29:14 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120059 Did earthlink just get put on sorbs over the weekend? We have gotten 4 tickets in today about users not getting email from earthlink/mindspring users 23 Nov 2009 10:26:31 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120058 > > >> Ouch, that's unfortunate. > > > > at least they are protected from eachother... > > So much so that they probably can't even email each other t 23 Nov 2009 09:31:13 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120057 On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:50 03AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 23 23 Nov 2009 09:27:24 -0800 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/120056