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kpyle at austin

Jul 31, 2012, 7:01 PM

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Leap second again??

This evening, I found my mythbackend system running at full CPU on all
cores. It was the leap second problem - again. According to dmesg on
this system, it got a leap second inserted just before 0000Z Aug 1:

[202139.171571] Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC

This system is running ntp synchronized to a stratum 2 time server (at a
large university).

Has anyone else seen this today?

The prior workaround resolved the problem:

date -s "`date`"

Keith
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bkamen at benjammin

Jul 31, 2012, 7:21 PM

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I didn't have any problem tonight as I wasn't locked on to another server.

I just fixed my config and restarted -- I'll advice if it happens next time.

-Ben

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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Jul 31, 2012, 8:04 PM

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Keith Pyle <kpyle [at] austin> wrote:
....
> Has anyone else seen this today?

This is not (reasonably) possible since no leap second notification
has been in the authoritative ntp source packets.

My suggestion is to (a) make sure your ntp daemon is running
properly, and (b) check to see if your "authoritative" source is
itself broken. Note that I recommend no less than 4 sources
so that the broken ones are thrown out (as "false tickers"),
with each source being from independent agencies/locations.
(of course, ultimately, NIST is usually the root source in most
of the world).

Gary
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ron at ronfrazier

Jul 31, 2012, 8:40 PM

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Keith Pyle <kpyle [at] austin> wrote:
> This evening, I found my mythbackend system running at full CPU on all
> cores. It was the leap second problem - again. According to dmesg on this
> system, it got a leap second inserted just before 0000Z Aug 1:
>
> [202139.171571] Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC
>
> This system is running ntp synchronized to a stratum 2 time server (at a
> large university).
>
> Has anyone else seen this today?
>
> The prior workaround resolved the problem:
>
> date -s "`date`"


I didn't have any issues tonight, but when the last leap second
occurred a month ago, both myself and another coworker running myth
both had CPU load problems with our systems. We only figured out what
happened when sharing stories, noticing the time correlation, and then
hearing of issues another (non-myth) coworker had at the same time.

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gjhurlbu at gmail

Jul 31, 2012, 8:52 PM

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Gary Buhrmaster
<gary.buhrmaster [at] gmail> wrote:
> (of course, ultimately, NIST is usually the root source in most
> of the world).

I think that used to be more true than now with the abundance of GPS
devices out there. Any GPS device is a stratum one NTP clock
source...
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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Jul 31, 2012, 9:20 PM

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Gavin Hurlbut <gjhurlbu [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Gary Buhrmaster
> <gary.buhrmaster [at] gmail> wrote:
>> (of course, ultimately, NIST is usually the root source in most
>> of the world).
>
> I think that used to be more true than now with the abundance of GPS
> devices out there. Any GPS device is a stratum one NTP clock
> source...

And while for (long standing reasons having to do with navigation) USNO is
the definitive source of the GPS satellites clock adjustments (being in space
and moving quickly means relativity matters), USNO and NIST do regular
comparisons, and will "adjust" as needed, although BIPM is charged with
providing the "definitive" UTC for the world (which is about averaging about
100 atomic clocks around the world). Also note that the GPS satellites
do not do leap seconds.

Of course, there is also the GLONASS and GALIEO sat sources, and
for obvious reasons the Russians do not use NIST/USNO or BIPM.

Gary
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mythtv-users at lists

Aug 1, 2012, 5:35 AM

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Keith Pyle wrote:
> This evening, I found my mythbackend system running at full CPU on all
> cores. It was the leap second problem - again. According to dmesg on
> this system, it got a leap second inserted just before 0000Z Aug 1:
>
> [202139.171571] Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC
>
> This system is running ntp synchronized to a stratum 2 time server (at a
> large university).
>
> Has anyone else seen this today?
>
> The prior workaround resolved the problem:
>
> date -s "`date`"

I had the same problem today as I had the last time a leap second got
inserted. On one of our Ubuntu 12.04 servers (the same one as last time)
the root filesystem reported "no space left" even though normally there
are only ~11% out of 50GB are used. I couldn't find the cause of this
and a reboot solved the issue. Luckily I was still able to ssh into it...

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support at drdos

Aug 1, 2012, 5:51 AM

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>> I had the same problem today as I had the last time a leap second got inserted

I had no such log entry, dmesg or otherwise. Checked several of my Linux servers.

Doug


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thomas at mashos

Aug 1, 2012, 5:56 AM

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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Doug Lytle <support [at] drdos> wrote:
>>> I had the same problem today as I had the last time a leap second got inserted
>
> I had no such log entry, dmesg or otherwise. Checked several of my Linux servers.
>
> Doug
>
>
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I've not done extensive searching, but I see nothing that says a leap
second was added yesterday. The last one I can find added was June
30th, and all my searching shows that leap seconds are only added at
the end of June or December.

Thanks,

Thomas Mashos
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J.Pilk at tesco

Aug 1, 2012, 6:41 AM

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On 01/08/12 13:56, Thomas Mashos wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Doug Lytle <support [at] drdos> wrote:
>>>> I had the same problem today as I had the last time a leap second got inserted
>>
>> I had no such log entry, dmesg or otherwise. Checked several of my Linux servers.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ben Franklin quote:
>>
>> "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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>
> I've not done extensive searching, but I see nothing that says a leap
> second was added yesterday. The last one I can find added was June
> 30th, and all my searching shows that leap seconds are only added at
> the end of June or December.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thomas Mashos


Someone in the OP's reference chain has left the 'Insert a leap second
at the end of this month' function enabled.



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ylee at pobox

Aug 1, 2012, 8:03 AM

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Keith Pyle <kpyle [at] austin> says:
> This evening, I found my mythbackend system running at full CPU on all
> cores. It was the leap second problem - again.

Bogus leap second was inserted; may be a very clever denial-of-service
attack. See
<URL:https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.protocols.time.ntp/vhVlH4ENsJQ/discussion>.

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kpyle at austin

Aug 1, 2012, 8:27 AM

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I've seen some discussion that there was a "fake" leap second inserted by some NTP servers yesterday. There is some speculation that this was a DOS attack (links 1 & 2 below), but the third link below reports that some NTP servers are still advertising the 6/30 leap second. That post also shows a command to see if your NTP server is still advertising the leap second.

Keith

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.protocols.time.ntp/vhVlH4ENsJQ

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/xhj88/another_leap_second_was_issued_this_night_01_aug/

http://www.greyware.com/kb/kb2012.717.asp




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