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mitchell.gore at gmail

May 27, 2012, 6:46 PM

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HDHR Prime in QAM Mode

Hello,

I am trying to get my Prime setup back in QAM mode (Canceled cable but I
still get several QAM stations with Internet.)

I attached my old QAM Lineup to the tuners started the backend backup. I
am getting 0byte recordings and recorder failed in the MythTV logs. When i
start Mythbackend via cmd line i see:

2012-05-27 20:43:22.700653 N MythBackend: Starting up as the master server.
2012-05-27 20:43:22.871397 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
type
2012-05-27 20:43:22.871640 E DTVChan(13122C45-0): SetChannelByString(607):
Failed to initialize multiplex options
2012-05-27 20:43:22.922624 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
type
2012-05-27 20:43:22.922715 E DTVChan(13122C45-1): SetChannelByString(610):
Failed to initialize multiplex options
2012-05-27 20:43:22.972900 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
type
2012-05-27 20:43:22.973508 E DTVChan(13122C45-2): SetChannelByString(30):
Failed to initialize multiplex options
2012-05-27 20:43:23.031772 I Found 1 distinct programid authorities


That is my Prime tuner.

Any ideas how to get the Prime back in QAM mode? I works just fine from
the HDHR GUI utility.

Thanks,
Mitchell


mitchell.gore at gmail

May 27, 2012, 7:13 PM

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On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Mitchell Gore <mitchell.gore [at] gmail>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am trying to get my Prime setup back in QAM mode (Canceled cable but I
> still get several QAM stations with Internet.)
>
> I attached my old QAM Lineup to the tuners started the backend backup. I
> am getting 0byte recordings and recorder failed in the MythTV logs. When i
> start Mythbackend via cmd line i see:
>
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.700653 N MythBackend: Starting up as the master
> server.
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.871397 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
> type
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.871640 E DTVChan(13122C45-0):
> SetChannelByString(607): Failed to initialize multiplex options
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.922624 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
> type
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.922715 E DTVChan(13122C45-1):
> SetChannelByString(610): Failed to initialize multiplex options
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.972900 E DTVMux: ParseTuningParams -- Unknown tuner
> type
> 2012-05-27 20:43:22.973508 E DTVChan(13122C45-2): SetChannelByString(30):
> Failed to initialize multiplex options
> 2012-05-27 20:43:23.031772 I Found 1 distinct programid authorities
>
>
> That is my Prime tuner.
>
> Any ideas how to get the Prime back in QAM mode? I works just fine from
> the HDHR GUI utility.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell
>

Dam it. Just found the issue. Its a bug posted on TRAC right now...I hope
this can be added or a work around where I dont have to compile is released
soon. Daniel?

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10712

Mitchell


dl-mythtv at catspoiler

May 29, 2012, 1:33 AM

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Re: HDHR Prime in QAM Mode [In reply to]

On 27 May, Mitchell Gore wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Mitchell Gore <mitchell.gore [at] gmail>wrote:

>> Any ideas how to get the Prime back in QAM mode? I works just fine from
>> the HDHR GUI utility.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mitchell
>>
>
> Dam it. Just found the issue. Its a bug posted on TRAC right now...I hope
> this can be added or a work around where I dont have to compile is released
> soon. Daniel?
>
> http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10712


I'm glad I haven't gotten around to attempting to upgrade to 0.25 yet.
This would have been an unwelcome surprise. I've got an HDHR3-6CC with
a cable card on only one side. The other side is receiving clear QAM so
that I can take advantage of multirec.

Looks like the fix has been committed to master, but I'm really trying
to stick with the precompiled packages from ATrpms.




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eric at lisaneric

May 29, 2012, 6:45 AM

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Re: HDHR Prime in QAM Mode [In reply to]

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mitchell Gore <mitchell.gore [at] gmail> wrote:
> (Canceled cable but I
> still get several QAM stations with Internet.)

Please don't do this. It's for this reason that the cable companies
have been pushing to eliminate clear QAM, which makes it harder for
the rest of us. Just pay for the services you use, it doesn't cost
much for the most basic TV package.

Thank you,

Eric Sharkey
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greg at gregandeva

May 29, 2012, 9:06 AM

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Re: HDHR Prime in QAM Mode [In reply to]

On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 09:45 -0400, Eric Sharkey wrote:
> the cable companies
> have been pushing to eliminate clear QAM

...and, from what I hear, they have largely succeeded. The Comcast tech
who was at my house fixing a backfeed interference problem told me that
Comcast won some court case so that they will now be free to encrypt
everything HD, even the broadcast stations, and that they were going to
do so within a month (at least in my area). That will make it impossible
to get anything HD without a set top box. I've already hooked up one of
my HDHR tuners to the antenna I hadn't gotten around to using yet to
provide that extra source of broadcast stations (mostly used during
football season). That will at least prevent the HDHR from being a
complete brick.

For what it's worth, I think the real reason the cable companies have
been pushing for this is so that they can force everyone to pay for more
set top boxes that they wouldn't otherwise need. From my point of view,
if clear QAM goes away, it is the last advantage that cable had over
satellite. I am going to at least take a look at DirectTV, Dish, and the
phone company offerings now. Biggest issue there is that I don't think
the STB's from these companies will do firewire channel changing, so
I'll probably have to get some kind of IR blaster going to do channel
changes, something that has not worked for me in the past because of
what one developer called a "quirky USB chip" (meaning, the Linux mceusb
driver doesn't work with my motherboard so I'm screwed until it comes
time to buy a whole new system).

--Greg


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mitchell.gore at gmail

May 29, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Re: HDHR Prime in QAM Mode [In reply to]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Eric Sharkey <eric [at] lisaneric> wrote:

> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mitchell Gore <mitchell.gore [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> > (Canceled cable but I
> > still get several QAM stations with Internet.)
>
> Please don't do this. It's for this reason that the cable companies
> have been pushing to eliminate clear QAM, which makes it harder for
> the rest of us. Just pay for the services you use, it doesn't cost
> much for the most basic TV package.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Eric Sharkey
>

I would disagree. Most Cable Co's are trying to encrypt everything so they
dont have to roll a truck to activate/de-activate service. Saving them a
bunch of $$. It doesnt have anything to do with a few subset of users
getting essentially the free OTA stations via a cable feed w/only Internet.

Just my 2 cents.

Mitchell


siliconfiend at gmail

May 29, 2012, 12:56 PM

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Greg Woods <greg [at] gregandeva> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I'll probably have to get some kind of IR blaster going to do channel
> changes, something that has not worked for me in the past because of
> what one developer called a "quirky USB chip" (meaning, the Linux mceusb
> driver doesn't work with my motherboard so I'm screwed until it comes
> time to buy a whole new system).
>
> --Greg

A bit OT, but have you tried using a USB hub? I had some erratic
problems with my CommandIR II blaster when directly connected to my
motherboard, and using a hub completely solved them.

Karl
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greg at gregandeva

May 29, 2012, 1:07 PM

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On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 12:56 -0700, Karl Newman wrote:

> A bit OT, but have you tried using a USB hub? I had some erratic
> problems with my CommandIR II blaster when directly connected to my
> motherboard, and using a hub completely solved them.

I may have a go at that when I get some time to play with my Myth box
(it's still running Fedora 14 and F17 just came out today, it is badly
in need of a complete upgrade; that alone might fix the mceusb driver
issue).

--Greg


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eric at lisaneric

May 29, 2012, 1:09 PM

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Mitchell Gore <mitchell.gore [at] gmail> wrote:
> I would disagree.  Most Cable Co's are trying to encrypt everything so they
> dont have to roll a truck to activate/de-activate service.  Saving them a
> bunch of $$.  It doesnt have anything to do with a few subset of users
> getting essentially the free OTA stations via a cable feed w/only Internet.

This is a distinction without a difference. Whether they're rolling a
truck to pull the cable completely after a full deactivation, or
they're rolling a truck to install a cable trap to block tv signals
after a tv-only deactivation doesn't change the fundamental point that
clear QAM is going away at least on the excuse that people are using
it without paying for it. It's theft of service either way.

Eric
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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

May 29, 2012, 1:56 PM

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Greg Woods <greg [at] gregandeva> wrote:
....
> ...and, from what I hear, they have largely succeeded. The Comcast tech
> who was at my house fixing a backfeed interference problem told me that
> Comcast won some court case

It would be the FCC rule/waiver that has been pending for
a while. There was discussion of this a few months ago
on the list (check the archives), where all the relevant
points were discussed.
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rob at davis-family

May 30, 2012, 7:46 AM

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On 2012-05-29 15:09, Eric Sharkey wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Mitchell Gore
> <mitchell.gore [at] gmail> wrote:
>> I would disagree.  Most Cable Co's are trying to encrypt everything
>> so they
>> dont have to roll a truck to activate/de-activate service.  Saving
>> them a
>> bunch of $$.  It doesnt have anything to do with a few subset of
>> users
>> getting essentially the free OTA stations via a cable feed w/only
>> Internet.
>
> This is a distinction without a difference. Whether they're rolling
> a
> truck to pull the cable completely after a full deactivation, or
> they're rolling a truck to install a cable trap to block tv signals
> after a tv-only deactivation doesn't change the fundamental point
> that
> clear QAM is going away at least on the excuse that people are using
> it without paying for it. It's theft of service either way.

In our area (N. Illinois), they bill $15 for only 1 service (Internet)
or $8.99 for Basic cable (locals only). Which effectively means it's
cheaper to pay for the clear-qam channels even if you don't use them
than not if you cut the Tv chord. I use both OTA and Clear-Qam on my
myth system (some local channels don't come in well as the antenna
points to a distant city for more choice). However, a friend of mine
needed a cable card for his Tivo to receive Locals only. I assume you
could use a Cable card in an HDHomeRun Prime for locals only?

Rob
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pc-mythtv08a at crowcastle

May 30, 2012, 8:06 AM

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On 05/30/2012 10:46 AM, Rob Davis wrote:
> I assume you
> could use a Cable card in an HDHomeRun Prime for locals only?

Yes, you could. The advantage of doing that is that the Cable Card
handles the channel mapping, so you never have to worry about the cable
company moving channels around on you and figuring out the QAM mapping.

The disadvantages are that you might have to pay a fee for the card, and
you can only record one channel per tuner (with QAM, you can record all
the programs on a physical channel, and the broadcast channels are often
grouped together).

Of course, if they have a waiver from the FCC and are encrypting the
local channels, then you have no other options (besides an antenna,
through a cable box, not watching the channels, pirating the episodes,
waiting for them to be on DVD, watching them through Hulu or a similar
service, using iTunes, or, well, you have lots of options).
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jra at baylink

May 30, 2012, 9:33 AM

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Preston Crow" <pc-mythtv08a [at] crowcastle>

> Of course, if they have a waiver from the FCC and are encrypting the
> local channels, then you have no other options (besides an antenna,
> through a cable box, not watching the channels, pirating the episodes,
> waiting for them to be on DVD, watching them through Hulu or a similar
> service, using iTunes, or, well, you have lots of options).

... none of which permit you to record the programming with MythTV... so
you were right initially: "you have no other options".

This is all about, let us not forget, finding ways to end-run Sony v
Universal: making it impossible for end users to record and control the
recordings of programs which that SCOTUS decision made it *legal* for us
to record.

Cheers,
-- jra
--
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eric at lisaneric

May 30, 2012, 9:56 AM

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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra [at] baylink> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Preston Crow" <pc-mythtv08a [at] crowcastle>
>
>> Of course, if they have a waiver from the FCC and are encrypting the
>> local channels, then you have no other options (besides an antenna,
>> through a cable box, not watching the channels, pirating the episodes,
>> waiting for them to be on DVD, watching them through Hulu or a similar
>> service, using iTunes, or, well, you have lots of options).
>
> ... none of which permit you to record the programming with MythTV...

Except "an antenna" and "through a cable box" both do.

For me, the cable card option is the cheapest. For me to use an
antenna I would need to either move or install some very large
directional antenna(s).

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jra at baylink

May 30, 2012, 10:12 AM

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Sharkey" <eric [at] lisaneric>

> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Preston Crow" <pc-mythtv08a [at] crowcastle>
> >
> >> Of course, if they have a waiver from the FCC and are encrypting
> >> the
> >> local channels, then you have no other options (besides an antenna,
> >> through a cable box, not watching the channels, pirating the
> >> episodes,
> >> waiting for them to be on DVD, watching them through Hulu or a
> >> similar
> >> service, using iTunes, or, well, you have lots of options).
> >
> > ... none of which permit you to record the programming with
> > MythTV...
>
> Except "an antenna" and "through a cable box" both do.

My... I *am* distracted today, aren't I. Sorry.

Cheers,
-- jra
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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

May 30, 2012, 10:12 AM

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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Preston Crow
<pc-mythtv08a [at] crowcastle> wrote:
....
> The disadvantages are that you might have to pay a fee for the card

Currently, CableCards cost a few dollars a month (your
particular franchise will vary). Under the proposed FCC
rule change allowing basic tier encryption, CableCards
will be "free"(*) for (at least) basic tier decoding for (at least)
two years (longer in some cases), and then somewhere
between free and $1/month (estimated based on local
franchise regulations). Same for the basic basic HD STBs(**)
that will support the existing no-STB TV (using clear QAM
today). None of those pricing numbers addresses the various
fees for the cable itself, nor any equipment needed to use the
CableCard or the basic basic STB.

> and you can only record one channel per tuner

This is an issue that is considered "fringe". Yes, this
list is self-selected with people who do/want this. The
number of customers are considered small (by the
MSOs and the FCC) to not be a significant decision
point. Vocal, yes. Large, no. While a perhaps
irrelevant data point, Cablevision (the largest MSO
with an existing waiver) had around .1% of their
customers request a "free" STB/CableCard. That
is in the noise values of irrelevance of customer
numbers.

Gary

(*) Interestingly, while Comcast, TWC, etal. are agreeing
to provide "free" equipment for (at least) two years, some
of the smaller players are very worried that they cannot
afford to provide that equipment for free, and are asking
for a potential waiver to the waiver, to allow them to
recoup (minimal) costs in their jurisdictions. I presume
they are worried about not having the deep pockets
(or larger credit lines) to front the monies for a roll out,
since the recovery of the up front monies will be over
the long term (fewer truck rolls, less theft of service
(resulting in some new customers :-), etc.) The FCC
has tended to be willing to grant waivers to the small
players to meet unique issues in their areas.

(**) I will note that the Comcast DTA (a basic basic STB
for SD basic tier only) does not do full CableCard like
encryption, nor full channel authorization management.
It uses a simplified 3DES encryption as specified in a
SCTE doc whose number I do not recall right now
(using a cost optimized decoding chip). A basic basic
HD STB basic tier only box might do same and be quite
cheap to manufacture).
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