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matthew.garman at gmail

May 9, 2012, 11:48 AM

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USA OTA - interlaced?

Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").

I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
power-hungry Nvidia card. During initial testing, I disabled
de-interlacing in my playback profile. And to this day, I still don't
have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
beautifully.

So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.

Thanks,
Matt
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dheitmueller at kernellabs

May 9, 2012, 11:59 AM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail> wrote:
> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA.  We record the national networks,
> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>
> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
> power-hungry Nvidia card.  During initial testing, I disabled
> de-interlacing in my playback profile.  And to this day, I still don't
> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
> beautifully.
>
> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.

Probably the fastest way to check is run ffmpeg against the recording
and look at the height/width. A height of 720 is progressive and 1080
is interlaced (it is possible to have 1080 progressive, but you'll
never see it in an OTA broadcast).

Devin

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mythtv-list at dinkum

May 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On 9 May 2012, at 20:59, Devin Heitmueller wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
>> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
>> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>>
>> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
>> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
>> power-hungry Nvidia card. During initial testing, I disabled
>> de-interlacing in my playback profile. And to this day, I still don't
>> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
>> beautifully.
>>
>> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
>> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.
>
> Probably the fastest way to check is run ffmpeg against the recording
> and look at the height/width. A height of 720 is progressive and 1080
> is interlaced (it is possible to have 1080 progressive, but you'll
> never see it in an OTA broadcast).

Um, well in the UK there are transmissions that switch between 1080i and 1080p on Freeview HD, there are also some Sky HD satellite transmissions at 1080p25.

Some of the (American) encoder manufacturers told me they have had this feature for some time, so maybe it will be used.

Andre
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bc-mythtv at comcast

May 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On 2012-05-09 14:48, Matt Garman wrote:
> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>
> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
> power-hungry Nvidia card. During initial testing, I disabled
> de-interlacing in my playback profile. And to this day, I still don't
> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
> beautifully.
>
> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.

Most of the OTA HD content in the US is interlaced (1080i), with the
notable exception of FOX :-)

Some TVs are able to recognize interlaced content even though you're
supplying them with a non-interlaced video signal (e.g. 1920x1080 at
60Hz). The quality of the TV built-in de-interlacing may be worse (or
better) than VDPAU (which is very good with the advanced methods).

Bolek
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mythtvuser1818 at gmail

May 9, 2012, 12:59 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Andre <mythtv-list [at] dinkum> wrote:

>
> On 9 May 2012, at 20:59, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> >> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> >> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
> >> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
> >>
> >> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
> >> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
> >> power-hungry Nvidia card. During initial testing, I disabled
> >> de-interlacing in my playback profile. And to this day, I still don't
> >> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
> >> beautifully.
> >>
> >> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
> >> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.
> >
> > Probably the fastest way to check is run ffmpeg against the recording
> > and look at the height/width. A height of 720 is progressive and 1080
> > is interlaced (it is possible to have 1080 progressive, but you'll
> > never see it in an OTA broadcast).
>
> Um, well in the UK there are transmissions that switch between 1080i and
> 1080p on Freeview HD, there are also some Sky HD satellite transmissions at
> 1080p25.
>
> Some of the (American) encoder manufacturers told me they have had this
> feature for some time, so maybe it will be used.


While 1080p24 and 1080p30 are valid ATSC formats, I don't know of any
broadcasters that ever use them. 1080p60 is not currently a valid ATSC
format, but it potentially could be used with H.264 compression.


rjmorris at nc

May 9, 2012, 3:02 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail> wrote on Wed, May 09, 2012 at 01:48:12PM -0500:
> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").

Another way to tell is from the Watch Recordings screen in MythTV.
This is probably theme-dependent, but for me Arclight displays 1080i
and 720p icons for HD OTA content. Mythbuntu displays 1080 and 720
icons without the i or p suffix, but as others have mentioned, 1080
will be interlaced and 720 will be progressive in the US.

For what it's worth, of my OTA stations, ABC, FOX, and CW are
progressive, and the rest are interlaced.
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brent.bolin at gmail

May 9, 2012, 7:31 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail> wrote:
> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA.  We record the national networks,
> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>
> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
> power-hungry Nvidia card.  During initial testing, I disabled
> de-interlacing in my playback profile.  And to this day, I still don't
> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
> beautifully.
>
> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
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While watching the program press the menu key. Goto video, Goto video scan

It will show you what's it's detected. Interlaced or progressive.

I believe 1080 is only interlaced and 720 is progressive
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brent.bolin at gmail

May 9, 2012, 7:39 PM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Brent Bolin <brent.bolin [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Matt Garman <matthew.garman [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
>> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA.  We record the national networks,
>> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>>
>> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
>> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
>> power-hungry Nvidia card.  During initial testing, I disabled
>> de-interlacing in my playback profile.  And to this day, I still don't
>> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
>> beautifully.
>>
>> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
>> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
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>
> While watching the program press the menu key.  Goto video, Goto video scan
>
> It will show you what's it's detected.  Interlaced or progressive.
>
> I believe 1080 is only interlaced and 720 is progressive

BTW: I am in the Chicago area and American Idol recorded tonight shows
up as progressive.
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rob at davis-family

May 10, 2012, 9:46 AM

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Re: USA OTA - interlaced? [In reply to]

On 2012-05-09 13:48, Matt Garman wrote:
> Is there a way to tell if a given recording is interlaced or not?
> FWIW, I'm in Chicago, IL, USA. We record the national networks,
> primarily FOX ("WFLD 32").
>
> I ask for the following reason: a while ago, I started experimenting
> with using Intel (Sandy Bridge) graphics, so I could lose my
> power-hungry Nvidia card. During initial testing, I disabled
> de-interlacing in my playback profile. And to this day, I still
> don't
> have any interlacing enabled, because everything plays back
> beautifully.
>
> So either I am recording progressive content, or my TV (Panasonic
> TC-P65V10) is doing the deinterlacing for me.

With broadcast Networks generally it's:

Fox=720p
ABC=720p
CBS=1080i
NBC=1080i
CW=1080i

Not sure about the rest, in our market they're all 480i and
unwatchable.
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