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treythompson at gmail

Apr 19, 2012, 7:20 AM

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Disk Space Way Wrong

I've got myth installed on a compact flash card, and a 2TB SATA drive for
media. There's currently nothing at all on the sata drive except the
directories.

On the system status pages (Mythweb and the Mac FrontEnd and the Ubuntu
Frontend, it says:
Total Space: 1,905,900 MB (Looks good)
Space Used: 124,701 MB (um, where?!)

A df -k and a du both show about 29GB in use on my sata drive.

??


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Apr 19, 2012, 8:13 AM

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Trey Thompson wrote:
> I've got myth installed on a compact flash card, and a 2TB SATA drive
> for media. There's currently nothing at all on the sata drive except
> the directories.
>
> On the system status pages (Mythweb and the Mac FrontEnd and the Ubuntu
> Frontend, it says:
> Total Space: 1,905,900 MB (Looks good)
> Space Used: 124,701 MB (um, where?!)
>
> A df -k and a du both show about 29GB in use on my sata drive.
>
> ??

Shot in the dark, 5% reserved space?

What does "du --max-depth 1 /mount_point" say?

You can change the amount of the reserved space with tune2fs.

HTH
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treythompson at gmail

Apr 19, 2012, 8:30 AM

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Boehm <
mythtv-users [at] lists> wrote:

> Trey Thompson wrote:
> > I've got myth installed on a compact flash card, and a 2TB SATA drive
> > for media. There's currently nothing at all on the sata drive except
> > the directories.
> >
> > On the system status pages (Mythweb and the Mac FrontEnd and the Ubuntu
> > Frontend, it says:
> > Total Space: 1,905,900 MB (Looks good)
> > Space Used: 124,701 MB (um, where?!)
> >
> > A df -k and a du both show about 29GB in use on my sata drive.
> >
> > ??
>
> Shot in the dark, 5% reserved space?
>
> What does "du --max-depth 1 /mount_point" say?
>
> You can change the amount of the reserved space with tune2fs.
>
>
1036304 /media/sata1/mythtv
1036308 /media/sata1

I don't need the space, and I'd hate to mess with the default reserved
space. I was really just curious.
Thanks for the info.


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Apr 19, 2012, 8:35 AM

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Trey Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Boehm wrote:
> What does "du --max-depth 1 /mount_point" say?
>
> You can change the amount of the reserved space with tune2fs.
>
>
> 1036304/media/sata1/mythtv
> 1036308/media/sata1
>
> I don't need the space, and I'd hate to mess with the default reserved
> space. I was really just curious.
> Thanks for the info.

If this filesystem is only used for data, it's save to set the reserved
space to 0. Why wasting 124 GB?
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drescherjm at gmail

Apr 19, 2012, 8:46 AM

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> If this filesystem is only used for data, it's save to set the reserved
> space to 0. Why wasting 124 GB?

Agreed. Reserved space is there mostly for your root filesystem to
prevent users from filling the entire root preventing the OS from
working. It does not really help you for a data only disk.

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raymond at wagnerrp

Apr 19, 2012, 8:47 AM

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On 4/19/2012 11:35, Thomas Boehm wrote:
> Trey Thompson wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Boehm wrote:
>> What does "du --max-depth 1 /mount_point" say?
>>
>> You can change the amount of the reserved space with tune2fs.
>>
>>
>> 1036304/media/sata1/mythtv
>> 1036308/media/sata1
>>
>> I don't need the space, and I'd hate to mess with the default reserved
>> space. I was really just curious.
>> Thanks for the info.
> If this filesystem is only used for data, it's save to set the reserved
> space to 0. Why wasting 124 GB?

Traditionally, filesystems reserve 5-10% of the total space as a
mechanism to prevent fragmentation. With today's gigantic disks and
arrays, that could be a bit excessive, however setting it to zero is a
very bad idea.
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Apr 19, 2012, 9:06 AM

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Raymond Wagner wrote:
> Traditionally, filesystems reserve 5-10% of the total space as a
> mechanism to prevent fragmentation. With today's gigantic disks and
> arrays, that could be a bit excessive, however setting it to zero is a
> very bad idea.

Not if you use xfs, set the "minimum free space" and run "xfs_db -rc
frag ..." every night ;-)

Ok, setting the reserved space to 1% on an ext4 filesystem should do...
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Apr 19, 2012, 9:10 AM

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On 4/19/2012 12:06, Thomas Boehm wrote:
> Raymond Wagner wrote:
>> Traditionally, filesystems reserve 5-10% of the total space as a
>> mechanism to prevent fragmentation. With today's gigantic disks and
>> arrays, that could be a bit excessive, however setting it to zero is a
>> very bad idea.
> Not if you use xfs, set the "minimum free space" and run "xfs_db -rc
> frag ..." every night ;-)
>
> Ok, setting the reserved space to 1% on an ext4 filesystem should do...

I know at least for UFS on FreeBSD, dropping the reserved space below 8%
would cause the filesystem to switch strategies to one that was more
space efficient, but noticeably slower.
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Apr 19, 2012, 9:59 AM

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On 12-04-19 10:20 AM, Trey Thompson wrote:
> I've got myth installed on a compact flash card, and a 2TB SATA drive for media. There's currently
> nothing at all on the sata drive except the directories.
>
> On the system status pages (Mythweb and the Mac FrontEnd and the Ubuntu Frontend, it says:
> Total Space: 1,905,900 MB (Looks good)
> Space Used: 124,701 MB (um, where?!)
>
> A df -k and a du both show about 29GB in use on my sata drive.

Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
recordings are kept.

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Apr 19, 2012, 7:04 PM

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
> recordings are kept.

What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
trac ticket number?
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Apr 19, 2012, 7:35 PM

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On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>> recordings are kept.
>
> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
> trac ticket number?

Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
always showing the root partition free space instead of
where the recordings are kept.

I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.

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Apr 19, 2012, 11:59 PM

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Mark Lord wrote:

>Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
>always showing the root partition free space instead of
>where the recordings are kept.
>
>I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.

Mine is working fine. But have you perhaps set the storage group to a
location which is on the root volume, but is actually a symlink to
another drive (or some variation of that) ? I could see that tripping
it up.

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raymond at wagnerrp

Apr 20, 2012, 6:02 AM

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On 4/19/2012 22:35, Mark Lord wrote:
> On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord<mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>>> recordings are kept.
>> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
>> trac ticket number?
> Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
> always showing the root partition free space instead of
> where the recordings are kept.
>
> I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.

Here is the code in question.

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcoreutil.cpp#L39

It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give
it. If that path lies on some other filesystem, and you're tricking it
with symlinks, it makes no attempt to outsmart you.
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Apr 20, 2012, 8:58 AM

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On 12-04-20 09:02 AM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 22:35, Mark Lord wrote:
>> On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord<mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>>>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>>>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>>>> recordings are kept.
>>> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
>>> trac ticket number?
>> Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
>> always showing the root partition free space instead of
>> where the recordings are kept.
>>
>> I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.
>
> Here is the code in question.
>
> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcoreutil.cpp#L39
>
> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.

There's the bug. It should open the path, and the use fstatfs(fd, ..).
Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.

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Apr 20, 2012, 9:20 AM

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On 12-04-20 11:58 AM, Mark Lord wrote:
> On 12-04-20 09:02 AM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
>> On 4/19/2012 22:35, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord<mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>>>>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>>>>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>>>>> recordings are kept.
>>>> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
>>>> trac ticket number?
>>> Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
>>> always showing the root partition free space instead of
>>> where the recordings are kept.
>>>
>>> I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.
>>
>> Here is the code in question.
>>
>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcoreutil.cpp#L39
>>
>> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.
>
> There's the bug. It should open the path, and then use fstatfs(fd, ..).
> Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.

Like this, but undoubtedly prettier than this: :)

--- mythtv/libs/libmythdb/mythcoreutil.cpp.orig 2012-04-18 18:29:45.000000000 -0400
+++ mythtv/libs/libmythdb/mythcoreutil.cpp 2012-04-20 12:15:58.688776954 -0400
@@ -31,6 +31,19 @@
#include "mythverbose.h"
#include "unzip.h"

+int statfs_wrapper(const char *path, struct statfs *st)
+{
+ int ret, fd = open(path, O_RDONLY);
+
+ if (fd != -1) {
+ ret = fstatfs(fd, st);
+ close(fd);
+ if (ret != -1)
+ return ret;
+ }
+ return statfs(path, st);
+}
+
/** \fn getDiskSpace(const QString&,long long&,long long&)
* \brief Returns free space on disk containing file in KiB,
* or -1 if it does not succeed.
@@ -50,7 +63,7 @@
// others are invalid and set to 0 (such as when an automounted directory
// is not mounted but still visible because --ghost was used),
// so check to make sure we can have a total size > 0
- if ((statfs(cstr.constData(), &statbuf) == 0) &&
+ if ((statfs_wrapper(cstr.constData(), &statbuf) == 0) &&
(statbuf.f_blocks > 0) &&
(statbuf.f_bsize > 0))
{
--- mythtv/programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp.orig 2012-04-18 18:29:45.000000000 -0400
+++ mythtv/programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp 2012-04-20 12:15:46.298844076 -0400
@@ -4117,6 +4117,8 @@
return totalKBperMin;
}

+extern int statfs_wrapper(const char *path, struct statfs *buf); // libs/libmythdb/mythcoreutil.cpp
+
void MainServer::BackendQueryDiskSpace(QStringList &strlist, bool consolidated,
bool allHosts)
{
@@ -4179,7 +4181,7 @@
localStr = "1"; // Assume local
bSize = 0;

- if (!statfs(currentDir.toLocal8Bit().constData(), &statbuf))
+ if (!statfs_wrapper(currentDir.toLocal8Bit().constData(), &statbuf))
{
#if CONFIG_DARWIN
char *fstypename = statbuf.f_fstypename;
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raymond at wagnerrp

Apr 20, 2012, 9:32 AM

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On 4/20/2012 11:58, Mark Lord wrote:
> On 12-04-20 09:02 AM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
>> On 4/19/2012 22:35, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord<mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>>>>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>>>>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>>>>> recordings are kept.
>>>> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
>>>> trac ticket number?
>>> Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
>>> always showing the root partition free space instead of
>>> where the recordings are kept.
>>>
>>> I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.
>>
>> Here is the code in question.
>>
>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcoreutil.cpp#L39
>>
>> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.
>
> There's the bug. It should open the path, and the use fstatfs(fd, ..).
> Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.

So less a bug, and more a feature request (with a patch) for a strange
and uncommon configuration.
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Apr 20, 2012, 9:40 AM

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On 12-04-20 12:32 PM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
> On 4/20/2012 11:58, Mark Lord wrote:
>> On 12-04-20 09:02 AM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2012 22:35, Mark Lord wrote:
>>>> On 12-04-19 10:04 PM, Gavin Hurlbut wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Mark Lord<mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>>>>>> Most likely it's the old bug whereby Mythtv shows the space free
>>>>>> on the root filesystem rather than on the filesystem where
>>>>>> recordings are kept.
>>>>> What old bug is that? I do not recall ever having seen this. Got a
>>>>> trac ticket number?
>>>> Nope. It just reports wrong on every system I've set up,
>>>> always showing the root partition free space instead of
>>>> where the recordings are kept.
>>>>
>>>> I think perhaps it trips up on symlinks or something.
>>>
>>> Here is the code in question.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcoreutil.cpp#L39
>>>
>>> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.
>>
>> There's the bug. It should open the path, and the use fstatfs(fd, ..).
>> Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.
>
> So less a bug, and more a feature request (with a patch) for a strange and uncommon configuration.

All eight mythtv setups that I know about have the same style of configuration.

Symlinks are a "normal" (not "strange") thing on Linux,
and are often overlooked by folks more familiar with
only Microsoft systems (which lack them).

Fortunately, correctly written code rarely has to be bothered about them,
as they should be transparent. statfs() is one of the few syscalls that
doesn't follow them automatically (for good reason).

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raymond at wagnerrp

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On 4/20/2012 12:40, Mark Lord wrote:
>>>> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.
>>> There's the bug. It should open the path, and the use fstatfs(fd, ..).
>>> Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.
>> So less a bug, and more a feature request (with a patch) for a strange and uncommon configuration.
> All eight mythtv setups that I know about have the same style of configuration.

So they're all strange. Why not just point MythTV directly at the
directory? MythTV only ever records to the root of the directory you
give it, so it's not like symlinking in multiple folders is going to get
you more storage space. You still have to define each in mythtv-setup.
It's not going to allow you to bypass some file permissions
restrictions. Even if you frequently move the mount location of those
storage drives, symlinks are only slightly more convenient to change
than the values in mythtv-setup.

I'm just not understanding what benefit doing it that way could provide.
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Apr 20, 2012, 4:02 PM

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On 12-04-20 12:51 PM, Raymond Wagner wrote:
> On 4/20/2012 12:40, Mark Lord wrote:
>>>>> It's not doing anything fancy, it just runs statfs on the path you give it.
>>>> There's the bug. It should open the path, and the use fstatfs(fd, ..).
>>>> Doing it that way would make symlinks transparent to it, as they should be.
>>> So less a bug, and more a feature request (with a patch) for a strange and uncommon configuration.
>> All eight mythtv setups that I know about have the same style of configuration.
>
> So they're all strange. Why not just point MythTV directly at the directory? MythTV only ever
> records to the root of the directory you give it, so it's not like symlinking in multiple folders is
> going to get you more storage space. You still have to define each in mythtv-setup. It's not going
> to allow you to bypass some file permissions restrictions. Even if you frequently move the mount
> location of those storage drives, symlinks are only slightly more convenient to change than the
> values in mythtv-setup.
>
> I'm just not understanding what benefit doing it that way could provide.

It lets me move the storage directories around without having to
fuss with mythtv-setup and other places that might have a hardcoded path.

Symlinks are an incredibly useful feature, you should discover them someday.

Meanwhile, one more patch for the hundred or so workarounds already in my local tree.

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Apr 20, 2012, 4:12 PM

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On 21 April 2012 09:02, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
> Meanwhile, one more patch for the hundred or so workarounds already in my local tree.

Such constructive criticisms as usual...
which trac ticket and pull requests are you referring to ?

because surely, that's how you contribute no ?
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Apr 20, 2012, 4:41 PM

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On 12-04-20 07:12 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> On 21 April 2012 09:02, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>> Meanwhile, one more patch for the hundred or so workarounds already in my local tree.
>
> Such constructive criticisms as usual...
> which trac ticket and pull requests are you referring to ?
>
> because surely, that's how you contribute no ?

No, I contribute by helping keep the kernel running
underneath all of this stuff. That's been both my hobby
and my day job for 20 years now.

For projects outside the kernel, I try to show people how to
use Linux correctly, and illustrate it with working code
and patches. Not with obscure tickets in a database somewhere.

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Apr 20, 2012, 5:08 PM

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On 21 April 2012 09:41, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
> For projects outside the kernel, I try to show people how to
> use Linux correctly, and illustrate it with working code
> and patches.  Not with obscure tickets in a database somewhere.

I see.. you're like Jesus, spreading the good word to whomever wants
to listen, but don't write anything :)

Your wisdom is so much appreciated.. Thanks again for showing people
"how to use Linux correctly". I'm sure that thanks to you MythTV has
progressed tremendously today, and probably all other days as well
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zarthan at gmail

Apr 20, 2012, 5:25 PM

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No, I believe Mark is a Linux Kernel developer.


jyavenard at gmail

Apr 20, 2012, 6:04 PM

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On Saturday, 21 April 2012, Zarthan South wrote:

> No, I believe Mark is a Linux Kernel developer.


I'm very well aware of his contributions to the kernel and his work on
libata.
That doesn't prevent the fact that contributing a patch on trac or
submitting a pull request would take far less time than all this arguing
and complaining and would contribute much more to this project.


mythtv at rtr

Apr 20, 2012, 7:29 PM

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Re: Disk Space Way Wrong [In reply to]

On 12-04-20 08:08 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> On 21 April 2012 09:41, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote:
>> For projects outside the kernel, I try to show people how to
>> use Linux correctly, and illustrate it with working code
>> and patches. Not with obscure tickets in a database somewhere.
>
> I see.. you're like Jesus, spreading the good word to whomever wants
> to listen, but don't write anything :)

Yeah, my name I was born with.
If you prefer to mock it rather than just get along, that's fine.

Cheers
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