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snharris99 at live

Apr 11, 2012, 5:33 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits?

>I currently run .24-fixes and Mythbuntu 10.10. Since I plan to upgrade
>to .25 shortly are there pros and cons to moving to the latest
>underlying Mythbuntu release as well, which at this time is 11.10? Are
>there any things in the latest Ubuntu that will make life easier for
>me or .25?

>Thanks!

Personally, I'd wait and look at 12.04, which is at least the next LTS and
due out very shortly.

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memmott at gmail

Apr 11, 2012, 7:28 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits? [In reply to]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Scott & Nicole Harris
<snharris99 [at] live>wrote:

> I currently run .24-fixes and Mythbuntu 10.10. Since I plan to upgrade
>> to .25 shortly are there pros and cons to moving to the latest
>> underlying Mythbuntu release as well, which at this time is 11.10? Are
>> there any things in the latest Ubuntu that will make life easier for
>> me or .25?
>>
>
> Thanks!
>>
>
> Personally, I'd wait and look at 12.04, which is at least the next LTS and
> due out very shortly.
> ______________________________**_________________
>
> Thanks for this thread. My MBE is Mythbuntu 10.10 and I was wondering if I
should upgrade the OS at the same time. So what you guys are suggesting
is, wait till 12.04 comes out and then just do one big dist-upgrade?

jyavenard at gmail

Apr 11, 2012, 7:50 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits? [In reply to]

On 12 April 2012 12:28, Matt Emmott <memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
> Thanks for this thread. My MBE is Mythbuntu 10.10 and I was wondering if I
> should upgrade the OS at the same time. So what you guys are suggesting is,
> wait till 12.04 comes out and then just do one big dist-upgrade?

You can't do a distupgrade from 10.10

you'll have to update to 11.04, then 11.10 then 12.04

IF you do update all at once (that is ubuntu *and* mythtv) make sure
you only ever reboot when you're 100% sure mythbackend has finished
doing its upgrade.
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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Apr 11, 2012, 8:11 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits? [In reply to]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 02:28, Matt Emmott <memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
....
> Thanks for this thread. My MBE is Mythbuntu 10.10 and I was wondering if I
> should upgrade the OS at the same time. So what you guys are suggesting is,
> wait till 12.04 comes out and then just do one big dist-upgrade?

There are two common approaches. The first is what
I call the "big bang" approach. Update everything
at once, and hope everything works. It is also called
the "No guts, no glory" version. If everything does
work, you win. If not, you will have no idea which of
the hundreds of (small) changes made the difference.
The second is what I call the "slow and steady" or
"methodical" or "pedantic" way of taking one small
step at a time, so that if something breaks, you
know what specific change made a difference. If
everything works, you wasted a lot of time doing
all those intermediate steps and testing. In this
second approach, one of your first steps is probably
to test your backout recovery plans. For the first,
you do not need backups.

Your personality may determine which approach
you take.

Gary
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icicimov at gmail

Apr 11, 2012, 8:26 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits? [In reply to]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Gary Buhrmaster
<gary.buhrmaster [at] gmail>wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 02:28, Matt Emmott <memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
> ....
> > Thanks for this thread. My MBE is Mythbuntu 10.10 and I was wondering if
> I
> > should upgrade the OS at the same time. So what you guys are suggesting
> is,
> > wait till 12.04 comes out and then just do one big dist-upgrade?
>
> There are two common approaches. The first is what
> I call the "big bang" approach. Update everything
> at once, and hope everything works. It is also called
> the "No guts, no glory" version. If everything does
> work, you win. If not, you will have no idea which of
> the hundreds of (small) changes made the difference.
> The second is what I call the "slow and steady" or
> "methodical" or "pedantic" way of taking one small
> step at a time, so that if something breaks, you
> know what specific change made a difference. If
> everything works, you wasted a lot of time doing
> all those intermediate steps and testing. In this
> second approach, one of your first steps is probably
> to test your backout recovery plans. For the first,
> you do not need backups.
>
> Your personality may determine which approach
> you take.
>
> Gary
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I recently did MythTV 0.20/Mythbuntu 8.04 to MythTV 0.23-fixes/Mythbuntu
10.04 upgrade taking the "big bang" approach and all went fine. Did
complete system backup first of course in case I needed to recover and take
the "slow and steady" approach afterwards. I think this way is safe and
fast, why would you create lots of work for yourself if you can do it easy
way ;-) And if that doesn't work ... well then you have to take the hard
way.

Igor

nick.rout at gmail

Apr 11, 2012, 9:38 PM

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Re: Upgrading MythTV & Ubuntu at the same time: anybenefits? [In reply to]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Igor Cicimov <icicimov [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 02:28, Matt Emmott <memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
>> ....
>> > Thanks for this thread. My MBE is Mythbuntu 10.10 and I was wondering if
>> > I
>> > should upgrade the OS at the same time. So what you guys are suggesting
>> > is,
>> > wait till 12.04 comes out and then just do one big dist-upgrade?
>>
>> There are two common approaches. The first is what
>> I call the "big bang" approach. Update everything
>> at once, and hope everything works. It is also called
>> the "No guts, no glory" version. If everything does
>> work, you win. If not, you will have no idea which of
>> the hundreds of (small) changes made the difference.
>> The second is what I call the "slow and steady" or
>> "methodical" or "pedantic" way of taking one small
>> step at a time, so that if something breaks, you
>> know what specific change made a difference. If
>> everything works, you wasted a lot of time doing
>> all those intermediate steps and testing. In this
>> second approach, one of your first steps is probably
>> to test your backout recovery plans. For the first,
>> you do not need backups.
>>
>> Your personality may determine which approach
>> you take.
>>
>> Gary
>> _______________________________________________
>> mythtv-users mailing list
>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>> http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
> I recently did MythTV 0.20/Mythbuntu 8.04 to MythTV 0.23-fixes/Mythbuntu
> 10.04 upgrade taking the "big bang" approach and all went fine. Did complete
> system backup first of course in case I needed to recover and take the "slow
> and steady" approach afterwards. I think this way is safe and fast, why
> would you create lots of work for yourself if you can do it easy way ;-) And
> if that doesn't work ... well then you have to take the hard way.
>
> Igor

And I did a "big bang" upgrade on mythbuntu at one stage (to
10.04/myth 0.23 from whatever I had before) and it all went to hell in
a handcart. Luckily a database backup got me up and running on a fresh
install. Luckily data was on a separate partition/disk.

YMMV
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