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hobbes1069 at gmail

Apr 2, 2012, 4:21 PM

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Am I cable card ready?

Well the Comcast installers just left and they installed a Cisco
RNG100 which apparently is a CableCard based STB. So I'm thinking I
should just be able to buy a HDHR Prime, pop the card in, and be good
to go!

Any gotcha's I should be worried about?

I'm not sure if there's any difference between 0.24.2 and 0.25 as far
as CableCard/HDHR Prime goes, but I'm running 0.24.2/fixes (since I
maintain the RPM Fusion Package, ya know).

Thanks,
RIchard
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raymond at wagnerrp

Apr 2, 2012, 4:26 PM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On 4/2/2012 19:21, Richard Shaw wrote:
> So I'm thinking I should just be able to buy a HDHR Prime, pop the card in, and be good to go!

No. Cablecards get registered to a hardware ID in a specific tuner.
You cannot simply take a card out of one device, insert it into another,
and get it to work.
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knight at teksavvy

Apr 2, 2012, 4:28 PM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

Hi!

On 4/2/2012 7:21 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Well the Comcast installers just left and they installed a Cisco
> RNG100 which apparently is a CableCard based STB. So I'm thinking I
> should just be able to buy a HDHR Prime, pop the card in, and be good
> to go!
>
> Any gotcha's I should be worried about?

I don't use cable but, AFAIK, the cable card is binded/paired to the
device it was put in (in this case your STB) and can't be
unbinded/unpaired without the help of your cable provider.

Have a nice day!

Nick
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hobbes1069 at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 5:59 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Raymond Wagner <raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
> On 4/2/2012 19:21, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> So I'm thinking I should just be able to buy a HDHR Prime, pop the card
>> in, and be good to go!
>
> No.  Cablecards get registered to a hardware ID in a specific tuner.  You
> cannot simply take a card out of one device, insert it into another, and get
> it to work.

Hmm... But it should still be fairly simple to get it re-paired as
long as I can get a hold of the right tech support person though,
right?

Thanks,
Richard
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raymond at wagnerrp

Apr 3, 2012, 6:03 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On 4/3/2012 08:59, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Raymond Wagner<raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
>> On 4/2/2012 19:21, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>> So I'm thinking I should just be able to buy a HDHR Prime, pop the card
>>> in, and be good to go!
>> No. Cablecards get registered to a hardware ID in a specific tuner. You
>> cannot simply take a card out of one device, insert it into another, and get
>> it to work.
> Hmm... But it should still be fairly simple to get it re-paired as
> long as I can get a hold of the right tech support person though,
> right?

In theory, yes. More likely, you'll find it a lot easier to simply go
to the nearest Cableco office, and swap out your STB for a cablecard
self-install kit, or wait a few days for the mail if they don't offer
such a thing.
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ron at ronfrazier

Apr 3, 2012, 6:05 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069 [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hmm... But it should still be fairly simple to get it re-paired as
> long as I can get a hold of the right tech support person though,
> right?

It depends. In theory it can be done...a cablecard is a cablecard
(except for single-stream cards, but those are pretty much history).
However the 2 questions are

1) can the cablecard be removed from the cable box. Some don't allow
the cablecard to be removed without either disassembling the box or
removing a screw on bracket/plate. In either case, the cable company
would definitely not want you doing that.

2) Even if it's just pop in, they may not want to do it, as it means
you will have a cable box in your house with no cablecard installed.
They may not like the idea of that and may refuse.




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rt_clay at bellsouth

Apr 3, 2012, 6:25 AM

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Re: PCI capture cards on Intel Sandy Bridge [In reply to]

>So, is anybody is happily (or unhappily) using PCI capture cards on a
>Intel H61/H67/P67/Z68 based (sandy-bridge) motherboard?

I'm new to the list and relatively new to mythtv. I am running mythtv (on gentoo) on an Intel DH67BL board with a i3-2100T processor, with a PCI HVR-1600 card. This combination does seem to work, but I do have some problems. I don't think they are caused by PCI issues however:


1. The analog capture on the HVR-1600 is unstable. Sometimes (randomly) after a reboot it does not work, only capturing a blank red or green screen. The only fix is to power off and reboot until it initializes properly. Once initialization happens correctly it seems stable as long as the system is up. I have seen other reports of this issue, I think it is a driver/firmware bug rather than PCI problem. The digital capture part of the 1600 works fine regardless.

2. The IR remote/blaster on the HVR-1600 is not stable. This seems to be a known lirc_zilog problem. Curiously this seems to be linked to issue #1 above...in reboots where the analog part of the 1600 does NOT work, the IR works fine. When the analog capture works, the IR does not work. I gave up and use a separate MCE remote now.

3. This board has a built in IR receiver/transmitter. I have been able to get the receiver to work (nuvoton driver), but the transmitter part of the nuvoton driver is broken.

4. I have had problems getting Sandy bridge video to work correctly over HDMI on this board. If the tv attached to the HDMI is turned off/on or comes out of power save, everything comes back in green. Unplugging/replugging the hdmi cable every time the tv is turned on fixes this but is of course a pain. I don't know if this is an issue with my tv in particular, but it went away when I switched to a nvidia card (also over hdmi).

Torsten

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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 8:32 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 05:59, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069 [at] gmail> wrote:
....
> Hmm... But it should still be fairly simple to get it re-paired as
> long as I can get a hold of the right tech support person though,
> right?

One must first understand that to support the CableCARD, there
is a process known as pairing. The CableCARD and the host
device have fixed serial numbers. When a CableCARD is plugged
into a (new) host, it creates a "magic" value shared between the
CableCARD and the host device. This value will be different each
time a (new) CableCARD sees a (new) host. Once created,
it is stored in each (to handle the restart issue). To "activate"
a CableCARD, the head end needs to be told to address the
CableCARD and the "magic" value to authorize. Moving the
CableCARD to a new host device means a completely different
"magic" value that needs to be authorized and configured at
the head end.

There are three parts of the answer.

0) Is it "technically" possible? Yes, the physical CableCARD can be
moved, and, as you say, a CableCARD is a CableCARD. It is just
a matter of turning your RNG100 into a useless brick (you cannot
move the CableCARD back after it repairs and is provisioned and
authorized for a new host unless you then go through the entire
provisioning process after you move it back; no cableco supports
that to the best of my knowledge for their STBs, they just give you
a new STB and deal with the repairing off-premise) and getting the
provider to update all their records accordingly.

1) Will any cableco allow you to provision one of their STB
CableCARDs into another box? None to the best of my
knowledge. Their database of CableCARDs are locked in
such a way to know that a CableCARD with serial <n> is
in one of their STBs with host device <m>. They expect to
be able to receive their STB back in fully operational
condition (including the CableCARD), although, as stated
above, they mostly just throw returns into the pile for later
repair/refurbishment. If you tried to return a STB without a
CableCARD they would bill you for some outrageous "lost
item" charge.

2) Might you be able to get a CSR to issue the commands?
Unlikely, since in their database they have the list of CableCARDs
that have been issued to you for OCUR devices (that means
Tivo, HDHomeRun Primes, Ceton, ATI, etc.) that they can
provision for you account. The CableCARD from the STB is
not in that list. It is in the "other" list of CableCARDs issued
with a STB. Is it possible that you could convince one of
the CSRs to correct the "error" in their records? Maybe.
But I would not expect that it would "stick".


If you want to go the Prime route, I recommend (as others
have stated) going down to the local office, picking up a
CableCARD (usually about $5-$10/month), setting up the
Prime, and once you are satisfied, return the RNG100
(saving, usually, about the same $5-$10/month). This
accomplishes what I think is your goal, without the (likely)
lost time of trying to get Comcast to do things they do not
support, and allows you the overlap to not having everything
broken at the same time. Note that moving to the Prime
only (not STB) you will lose those things that a two-way
STB provides, such as on-demand, ppv, and access to
any of the premium "copy once" shows (Starz, Showtime,
HBO, etc), should you subscribe to those (at least with
MythTV; Windows can do "copy once"). None of those
might matter to you (with rare exceptions they do not matter
to me), but you should be aware of what you will not get.

Gary
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hobbes1069 at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 9:42 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

Thanks for the detailed explanation Gary!

So I think we're just going to try it out for awhile on the STB to see
if we really want to keep cable. The only thing I really don't like
about the RNG100 is that here's no HDMI or component output. The
S-Video works well enough though for my 32" LCD.

I only "upgraded" to keep my promotional rate on cable internet.
Between OTA HD and Netflix streaming we really don't miss having cable
and I certainly don't care about the interactive/VOD stuff.

Thanks,
Richard
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eric at lisaneric

Apr 3, 2012, 11:53 AM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069 [at] gmail> wrote:
> So I think we're just going to try it out for awhile on the STB to see
> if we really want to keep cable. The only thing I really don't like
> about the RNG100 is that here's no HDMI or component output. The
> S-Video works well enough though for my 32" LCD.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the rental fee for a STB is
usually higher than the rental fee for a cable card. Switching from a
STB to a HDHR Prime could pay for itself in 24-36 months depending on
your rates.

Eric
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john.baab at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 12:16 PM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

> The other thing to keep in mind is that the rental fee for a STB is
> usually higher than the rental fee for a cable card.  Switching from a
> STB to a HDHR Prime could pay for itself in 24-36 months depending on
> your rates.

With Comcast your first card is free, and apparently you are supposed
to get some $2.something discount on your bill as well. Unless the
last customer service person I spoke with had that discount wrong, but
the first card is definitely free.
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hobbes1069 at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 12:20 PM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric [at] lisaneric> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069 [at] gmail> wrote:
>> So I think we're just going to try it out for awhile on the STB to see
>> if we really want to keep cable. The only thing I really don't like
>> about the RNG100 is that here's no HDMI or component output. The
>> S-Video works well enough though for my 32" LCD.
>
> The other thing to keep in mind is that the rental fee for a STB is
> usually higher than the rental fee for a cable card.  Switching from a
> STB to a HDHR Prime could pay for itself in 24-36 months depending on
> your rates.

Not really a problem right now. I'm on a promotional rate of $39.99/mo
for 12MBit cable internet and extended basic cable for 6 months so I
doubt my rate would be affected for now.

Richard
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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Apr 3, 2012, 12:59 PM

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Re: Am I cable card ready? [In reply to]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 19:16, john.baab [at] gmail <john.baab [at] gmail> wrote:
....
> With Comcast your first card is free, and apparently you are supposed
> to get some $2.something discount on your bill as well.  Unless the
> last customer service person I spoke with had that discount wrong, but
> the first card is definitely free.

I agree with the (approximate) pricing values you have provided, but
each franchise *may* have slightly different rates (as has been
seen when people post to this/other lists with their rates). They
*may* also call the same package by a different name (the left coasts
"Standard Cable" is apparently called "Basic Plus" or "Extended
Basic" in some locations on the right coast). So the best advice
is to talk to your local franchise for *their* pricing. What happens
in Vegas stays in Vegas..... (actually, as I recall, Vegas has Cox,
but the principal remains).

Comcast has been trying, in the past few years, to move to
a consistent nationwide channel lineup approach (called
their Master Channel Lineup), and I think a consistent
marketing naming/feature/pricing strategy (as a nationwide
cable company, I would imagine it makes promoting Comcast
easier), but it all takes time, since some changes may require
renegotiation of the franchise agreements. Until then, each
franchise may be different (unless, of course, you live in the
same franchise location as Richard, in which case, ignore all
of what I said.)

Gary
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