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memmott at gmail

Aug 1, 2011, 10:08 AM

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Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good?

Engadget over the weekend posted that Logitech has slashed the price on the
$299 Logitech Revue GoogleTV STB to $99. They also mentioned that you can
install Android 3 "Honeycomb" on the device without much hassle. Is this of
any use as a MythTV FE? The specs are very netbook-esque: embedded 1.2GHz
Intel Atom CE4150, 1GB of RAM and a total of 5GB of flash memory. So far I
can't find out what GPU they're using to get 1080p output. A very nice
QWERTY wireless keyboard is included as well.

>From what I've read so far, the box won't play native MythTV recordings with
its built-in codecs, and I haven't seen any FEs for Honeycomb. Is there
anything in the pipeline that might make this a worthy $99 FE, or should I
just move on? :-)

jedi at mishnet

Aug 1, 2011, 10:50 AM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 01:08:34PM -0400, Matt Emmott wrote:
> Engadget over the weekend posted that Logitech has slashed the price on the
> $299 Logitech Revue GoogleTV STB to $99. They also mentioned that you can
> install Android 3 "Honeycomb" on the device without much hassle. Is this of
> any use as a MythTV FE? The specs are very netbook-esque: embedded 1.2GHz

Why not use it as a dedicated slave backend instead? It's cheap and low
power. Seems like the perfect sort of thing to make an HD-PVR look more like
an HDHomeRun.

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gary.buhrmaster at gmail

Aug 1, 2011, 11:02 AM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 17:08, Matt Emmott <memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
> ..... So far I can't find out what GPU they're using to get 1080p output.

The CE4150 has a 400Mhz GPU based on the powervr SGX535,
and has hardware decoding of the usual suspects (i.e. MPEG-2,
VC-1, H.264, etc.), but last I looked, the linux SDK was not
publically downloadable (you needed to sign a licensing agreement).
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raymond at wagnerrp

Aug 1, 2011, 11:58 AM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On 8/1/2011 14:02, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 17:08, Matt Emmott<memmott [at] gmail> wrote:
>> ..... So far I can't find out what GPU they're using to get 1080p output.
> The CE4150 has a 400Mhz GPU based on the powervr SGX535,
> and has hardware decoding of the usual suspects (i.e. MPEG-2,
> VC-1, H.264, etc.), but last I looked, the linux SDK was not
> publically downloadable (you needed to sign a licensing agreement).

The SGX535 is the same graphics core that powers the old GMA500 chipset
that VAAPI was originally written for. In theory, you should be able to
install standard Linux on the system, install the proper drivers, and it
would function similarly to a Fit-PC2i. A couple of devs got free units
near the beginning of the year to investigate potential use for MythTV,
but the system was simply too locked down to make a go at it.
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lists at forevermore

Aug 1, 2011, 4:13 PM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> The CE4150 has a 400Mhz GPU based on the powervr SGX535,
> and has hardware decoding of the usual suspects (i.e. MPEG-2,
> VC-1, H.264, etc.), but last I looked, the linux SDK was not
> publically downloadable (you needed to sign a licensing agreement).

Unfortunately, Android itself doesn't do MPEG-2, which means that MythTV would have to transcode everything to h.264 so it could be streamed to the device (something we can't legally do in the US, and something which can't really be done for LiveTV on most commodity hardware).

FWIW, the MythTV developers approached Google a few months ago to try to get access to the same DVR control API that DishNetwork uses so we could just pipe MythTV through the passthrough HDMI input, but they were unable to help us. They did provide us with a few Revue units for free, though, but I don't think anyone was able to reverse engineer the protocol. Hopefully they'll open it up soon, or make it part of the standard GTV SDK.

On the other hand, maybe it's already there. I haven't looked at the docs since they were released:

http://code.google.com/tv/android/docs/gtv_documentation_intro.html

It honestly shouldn't take much to write something that enables HDMI passthrough and passes keystroke events to MythTV via its existing fronted remote control protocol.

-Chris

gaberubin at gmail

Aug 1, 2011, 4:37 PM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Chris Petersen <lists [at] forevermore> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
>
> The CE4150 has a 400Mhz GPU based on the powervr SGX535,
> and has hardware decoding of the usual suspects (i.e. MPEG-2,
> VC-1, H.264, etc.), but last I looked, the linux SDK was not
> publically downloadable (you needed to sign a licensing agreement).
>
> Unfortunately, Android itself doesn't do MPEG-2, which means that MythTV
> would have to transcode everything to h.264 so it could be streamed to the
> device (something we can't legally do in the US, and something which can't
> really be done for LiveTV on most commodity hardware).

I understand the second part of technical limitation but there are
legal limitations on transcoding material that does not affect any
non-existent DRM? I thought myth already supported similar things
(e.g., mythweb transcoding to use the flowplayer viewer) or am I
missing something here?
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raymond at wagnerrp

Aug 1, 2011, 4:53 PM

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Re: Logitech Revue (Google TV) is now $99 and will run Honeycomb, any good? [In reply to]

On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:37:59 -0700, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Chris Petersen <lists [at] forevermore>
> wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
>>
>> The CE4150 has a 400Mhz GPU based on the powervr SGX535,
>> and has hardware decoding of the usual suspects (i.e. MPEG-2,
>> VC-1, H.264, etc.), but last I looked, the linux SDK was not
>> publically downloadable (you needed to sign a licensing agreement).
>>
>> Unfortunately, Android itself doesn't do MPEG-2, which means that
MythTV
>> would have to transcode everything to h.264 so it could be streamed to
>> the
>> device (something we can't legally do in the US, and something which
>> can't
>> really be done for LiveTV on most commodity hardware).
>
> I understand the second part of technical limitation but there are
> legal limitations on transcoding material that does not affect any
> non-existent DRM? I thought myth already supported similar things
> (e.g., mythweb transcoding to use the flowplayer viewer) or am I
> missing something here?

Technically, it uses Sorenson Spark, which is an incomplete implementation
of the outdated H.263.
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