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jmp at tarantella

Jan 8, 2004, 4:01 AM

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Pundit fan noise.

Hi,
I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
TV.

Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
that as good as it gets ?

Cheers
--
John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>

johan.bellander at spcs

Jan 8, 2004, 4:50 AM

Post #2 of 18 (5969 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

I have replaced the PSU in my pundit for a regular PSU and placed it
externally (Ok, it's not a super solution). I'm working on casing and
cablesleeving for it, so that will look a bit better. I use a Nexus NX-3000
PSU and i'm really pleased with it, i can barely hear it from 30cm distance.
But now i have started to hear the CPU fan and harddisk, so i'm going to
change the CPU fan aswell. I will probably change it for a Papst fan, anyway
check this site out www.silentpcreview.com.

// Johan Bellander

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Pullan [mailto:jmp [at] tarantella]
> Sent: den 8 januari 2004 12:01
> To: mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> Subject: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>
> Hi,
> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which
> I'm running
> mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
> still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
> running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
> don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room
> next to the
> TV.
>
> Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
> that as good as it gets ?
>
> Cheers
> --
> John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>
>
>
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Jan 8, 2004, 10:13 AM

Post #3 of 18 (5960 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
> mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
> still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
> running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
> don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
> TV.

Dunno what to say. When it's idle, my pundit's fan is barely audible in
a room with no other noise - and only enough to just hear it if it's
recording something.

--
Chris Petersen
Programmer / Web Designer
Silicon Mechanics: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/
Blade Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c292/blade-server.php
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jmp at tarantella

Jan 8, 2004, 10:16 AM

Post #4 of 18 (5963 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 17:13, Chris Petersen wrote:
> > I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
> > mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
> > still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
> > running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
> > don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
> > TV.
>
> Dunno what to say. When it's idle, my pundit's fan is barely audible in
> a room with no other noise - and only enough to just hear it if it's
> recording something.

Well either my hearing is really sensitive (unlikely) or I've got
something misconfigured/installed somewhere. I'll check again tonight.

Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?

--
John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>

wd at pobox

Jan 8, 2004, 10:31 AM

Post #5 of 18 (5959 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

At 09:13 AM 1/8/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
>> mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
>> still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
>> running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
>> don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
>> TV.
>
>Dunno what to say. When it's idle, my pundit's fan is barely audible in
>a room with no other noise - and only enough to just hear it if it's
>recording something.

I'll have to agree. If I'm right next to it, I can hear it running but
otherwise (TV watching distance) the thing is silent.

-WD

lucas at mach8

Jan 8, 2004, 10:32 AM

Post #6 of 18 (5949 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

> Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?

Not sure about the pundit, but qfan on my asus p4p800 deluxe also has a
ratio setting.

I find the range that I'm allowed to pick from very limited though I
want to have my fan run on 5v in most cases, and qfan won't go that low
by far...

Bye, Lucas

lists at forevermore

Jan 8, 2004, 10:39 AM

Post #7 of 18 (5976 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

> Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?

maybe try without Q-Fan? I don't remember enabling it in my bios. Will
have to check with I go home, since it seems that most howto sites say
to enable it.

--
Chris Petersen
Programmer / Web Designer
Silicon Mechanics: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/
Blade Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c292/blade-server.php
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jmp at tarantella

Jan 8, 2004, 10:50 AM

Post #8 of 18 (5965 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 17:39, Chris Petersen wrote:
> > Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?
>
> maybe try without Q-Fan? I don't remember enabling it in my bios. Will
> have to check with I go home, since it seems that most howto sites say
> to enable it.

without Q-Fan it goes into "hoover" mode :-) I wonder if the CPU is
putting out too much heat ? Although 33C deosn't sound too hot to me.
What processors are you guys using, (mine is a 2.4 Celeron) ?

--
John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>

lists at forevermore

Jan 8, 2004, 11:19 AM

Post #9 of 18 (5948 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

> without Q-Fan it goes into "hoover" mode :-) I wonder if the CPU is
> putting out too much heat ? Although 33C deosn't sound too hot to me.
> What processors are you guys using, (mine is a 2.4 Celeron) ?

Ah, then I must have enabled it and don't remember.

I'm using a P4 2.4 (not celeron). And 33C is a fine temp - a bit on the
low end, even.

--
Chris Petersen
Programmer / Web Designer
Silicon Mechanics: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/
Blade Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c292/blade-server.php
1U Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c272/1u-server.php

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wd at pobox

Jan 8, 2004, 11:20 AM

Post #10 of 18 (5987 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

At 05:50 PM 1/8/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 17:39, Chris Petersen wrote:
>> > Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?
>>
>> maybe try without Q-Fan? I don't remember enabling it in my bios. Will
>> have to check with I go home, since it seems that most howto sites say
>> to enable it.
>
>without Q-Fan it goes into "hoover" mode :-) I wonder if the CPU is
>putting out too much heat ? Although 33C deosn't sound too hot to me.
>What processors are you guys using, (mine is a 2.4 Celeron) ?

2.0 Celeron here.

-WD

mythpcjabber at ec

Jan 8, 2004, 5:47 PM

Post #11 of 18 (5967 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

Same here. My Pundit's fan is not audible at all -- unless I have it on the
bench, or when it restarts, before Q-FAN is enabled by the BIOS -- for about
a second after first startup =). You can hear it very slightly whilst its
in the cabinet, if you are *really* listening for it. If its recording? All
I hear is the hard drive going *click*, *click* every minute or so =)

--Tyler

MythTV address: mythpcjabber AT ec.rr.com
Normal address: pcjabber AT ec.rr.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On
>Behalf Of Chris Petersen
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:14 PM
>To: Discussion about mythtv
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
>> mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
>> still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
>> running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
>> don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
>> TV.
>
>Dunno what to say. When it's idle, my pundit's fan is barely audible in
>a room with no other noise - and only enough to just hear it if it's
>recording something.
>
>
>--
>Chris Petersen
>Programmer / Web Designer
>Silicon Mechanics: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/
>Blade Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c292/blade-server.php
>1U Servers: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c272/1u-server.php
>
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mythpcjabber at ec

Jan 8, 2004, 5:49 PM

Post #12 of 18 (5990 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

The pundit's Q-FAN option has an Enable/Disable option. Most ASUS Board's
BIOSes that support Q-FAN do have a ratio, but not the Pundit. I work with
ASUS a lot, in case you can't tell =)

--Tyler

MythTV address: mythpcjabber AT ec.rr.com
Normal address: pcjabber AT ec.rr.com

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On
>Behalf Of Lucas Meijer
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:33 PM
>To: Discussion about mythtv
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>> Am I correct in thinking that Q-Fan only has the Enable/Disable option ?
>
>Not sure about the pundit, but qfan on my asus p4p800 deluxe also has a
>ratio setting.
>
>I find the range that I'm allowed to pick from very limited though I
>want to have my fan run on 5v in most cases, and qfan won't go that low
>by far...
>
>Bye, Lucas

me at johnwesleythomas

Jan 8, 2004, 9:14 PM

Post #13 of 18 (6000 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

John Pullan wrote:

>Hi,
> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
>mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
>still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
>running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
>don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
>TV.
>
>Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
>that as good as it gets ?
>
>Cheers
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>mythtv-users mailing list
>mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
I have the same problem with my Pundit. Although it isn't noticable
when I am playing something with some volume. With everything off the
Pundit is very loud. I haven't enabled Q-Fan, but I guess I will take a
look at it when I get some free time.
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wd at pobox

Jan 9, 2004, 12:47 AM

Post #14 of 18 (5973 views)
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Re: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

>Pundit is very loud. I haven't enabled Q-Fan, but I guess I will take a
>look at it when I get some free time.

It's not all that difficult to enable. Give it a shot sometime.

-WD

dan at theidiots

Jan 9, 2004, 3:51 AM

Post #15 of 18 (5969 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

Hi, I suggest getting a Zalman fanmate. Its an adjustable CPU fan throttle
that attaches between any fan and its motherboard connection.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-118-205&depa=1

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
>[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On Behalf Of John Pullan
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:01 AM
>To: mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>Subject: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>Hi,
> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which
>I'm running mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite
>Q-Fan being enabled I still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to
>be at 33C while the fan is running at 1800). Granted, it's
>quiet compared to my other boxes but I don't think it's really
>suitable to be sat in the front room next to the TV.
>
>Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further
>or is that as good as it gets ?
>
>Cheers
>--
>John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>
>
>

mythpcjabber at ec

Jan 9, 2004, 4:30 AM

Post #16 of 18 (6000 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

If you haven't enabled Q-FAN, it's not "a problem". The Pundit's fan is
supposed to be that loud -- its just how its made, etc. If you have enabled
Q-FAN and it is still that loud, at *all times*, not just sometimes, you
have a problem -- time to call ASUS =)

--Tyler

MythTV address: mythpcjabber AT ec.rr.com
Normal address: pcjabber AT ec.rr.com

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On
>Behalf Of John W. Thomas
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:15 PM
>To: Discussion about mythtv
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>John Pullan wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
>>mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
>>still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
>>running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
>>don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
>>TV.
>>
>>Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
>>that as good as it gets ?
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>mythtv-users mailing list
>>mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>
>>
>I have the same problem with my Pundit. Although it isn't noticable
>when I am playing something with some volume. With everything off the
>Pundit is very loud. I haven't enabled Q-Fan, but I guess I will take a
>look at it when I get some free time.
>_______________________________________________
>mythtv-users mailing list
>mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

Malcolm.Smith at itemplus

Jan 9, 2004, 9:26 AM

Post #17 of 18 (5994 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

One question

Are you running lm_sensors?

I found that the

1. machine booted... noisey for 2 secs
2. q-fan cuts in and the system goes quiet. Never gets much louder than this
during normal running
3. run sensorsd... and it seems to interact with q-fan fan goes as noisy as
it did when the machine booted

So I stopped sensorsd, don't really need the monitoring

I guess what I'm saying is that if you notice the fan getting much noiser
once it has booted then that may be your problem.

I'm running RH9.0

The other thing I did was to place the pundit behind the TV with the fan
facing the wall. Cuts the noise even more.

-malc-

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv]On Behalf Of Tyler Drake
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:31 AM
> To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
>
>
> If you haven't enabled Q-FAN, it's not "a problem". The Pundit's fan is
> supposed to be that loud -- its just how its made, etc. If you
> have enabled
> Q-FAN and it is still that loud, at *all times*, not just sometimes, you
> have a problem -- time to call ASUS =)
>
> --Tyler
>
> MythTV address: mythpcjabber AT ec.rr.com
> Normal address: pcjabber AT ec.rr.com
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On
> >Behalf Of John W. Thomas
> >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:15 PM
> >To: Discussion about mythtv
> >Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
> >
> >John Pullan wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
> >>mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
> >>still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
> >>running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
> >>don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
> >>TV.
> >>
> >>Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
> >>that as good as it gets ?
> >>
> >>Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>mythtv-users mailing list
> >>mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> >>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
> >>
> >>
> >I have the same problem with my Pundit. Although it isn't noticable
> >when I am playing something with some volume. With everything off the
> >Pundit is very loud. I haven't enabled Q-Fan, but I guess I will take a
> >look at it when I get some free time.
> >_______________________________________________
> >mythtv-users mailing list
> >mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
>

jmp at tarantella

Jan 12, 2004, 4:20 AM

Post #18 of 18 (5999 views)
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RE: Pundit fan noise. [In reply to]

Thanks for everyone suggestions, I've not really got to the bottom of
the issue, although clearing access to the PSU fan intake seemed to help
a bit (ide cables etc)

I think I'm probably left with have the box facing the wall :-) Maybe
I'm being over sensitive about it, Q-Fan does seem to be doing what's
meant to, it's just that I find the fan noisy in a silent room.

I might try a different CPU fan in the future. The box is still in the
"development room" for now so I've got a bit of time before I install it
in the front room.

Cheers

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 16:26, Malcolm Smith wrote:
> One question
>
> Are you running lm_sensors?
>
> I found that the
>
> 1. machine booted... noisey for 2 secs
> 2. q-fan cuts in and the system goes quiet. Never gets much louder than this
> during normal running
> 3. run sensorsd... and it seems to interact with q-fan fan goes as noisy as
> it did when the machine booted
>
> So I stopped sensorsd, don't really need the monitoring
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that if you notice the fan getting much noiser
> once it has booted then that may be your problem.
>
> I'm running RH9.0
>
> The other thing I did was to place the pundit behind the TV with the fan
> facing the wall. Cuts the noise even more.
>
> -malc-
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv]On Behalf Of Tyler Drake
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:31 AM
> > To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
> >
> >
> > If you haven't enabled Q-FAN, it's not "a problem". The Pundit's fan is
> > supposed to be that loud -- its just how its made, etc. If you
> > have enabled
> > Q-FAN and it is still that loud, at *all times*, not just sometimes, you
> > have a problem -- time to call ASUS =)
> >
> > --Tyler
> >
> > MythTV address: mythpcjabber AT ec.rr.com
> > Normal address: pcjabber AT ec.rr.com
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces [at] mythtv] On
> > >Behalf Of John W. Thomas
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:15 PM
> > >To: Discussion about mythtv
> > >Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Pundit fan noise.
> > >
> > >John Pullan wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi,
> > >> I'm the owner of a 2.4Ghz celeron pundit box on which I'm running
> > >>mythtv (very nicely thank you). However, despite Q-Fan being enabled I
> > >>still find it noisy (the CPU/MB seem to be at 33C while the fan is
> > >>running at 1800). Granted, it's quiet compared to my other boxes but I
> > >>don't think it's really suitable to be sat in the front room next to the
> > >>TV.
> > >>
> > >>Does anyone have any tips for reducing the noise level further or is
> > >>that as good as it gets ?
> > >>

John Pullan <jmp [at] tarantella>

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