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beww at beww

Sep 14, 2010, 8:13 AM

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HDCP Key out?

Thought this might be of interest to folks here:

http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-Revealed

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brian at interlinx

Sep 14, 2010, 8:33 AM

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On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
>
> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-Revealed

Dunno what this really means to/for HTPC users though. I already get an
HDCP-handshaked (AFAIK and presume) connection between my Acer Revo and
my television, which also passes the DD/DTS from Myth on the Revo to my
receiver on the optical connection.

What I need now is the HTPC (i.e. Myth) to be able to _reliably_ read
and play DVDs (even with all of the non-compliance going on lately as a
copy protection mechanism) and B/R discs. I know the latter is
coming. :-) Although it's still limited to not-so-recent titles AFAIU.

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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Sep 14, 2010, 8:49 AM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Brian J. Murrell <brian [at] interlinx> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
>> Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
>>
>> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-Revealed
>
> Dunno what this really means to/for HTPC users though.  I already get an
> HDCP-handshaked (AFAIK and presume) connection between my Acer Revo and
> my television, which also passes the DD/DTS from Myth on the Revo to my
> receiver on the optical connection.
>
> What I need now is the HTPC (i.e. Myth) to be able to _reliably_ read
> and play DVDs (even with all of the non-compliance going on lately as a
> copy protection mechanism) and B/R discs.  I know the latter is
> coming.  :-)  Although it's still limited to not-so-recent titles AFAIU.
>
> b.

It means not a lot to HTPC users, at the moment. The data contained
on the HDMI cable is the raw, uncompressed output of the box, meaning
it's more or less a digital copy @ ~1485 Mbit/s of the same exact
thing you would get from the component cables (meaning it's still
necessary to lossily recompress it when capturing it). So you either
drink from the firehose, which isn't really feasible and probably
won't be for some time, or you build hardware to lossily compress it,
at which point it's no longer a perfect capture (and you're basically
doing what the HD-PVR does minus one digital to analog conversion),
and you still need to do it in real time.

Now, the usual suspects will pop up and say that this sidesteps the
Image Constraint Token (ICT).

And a more informed someone will mention that the ICT is *only* a part
of the Blu-ray specification, and that *0* discs ship with it enabled,
and that it is not relevant in any way to broadcast media.

Then people will pop up and say that it sidesteps Selectable Output
Control (SOC).

And more informed people will mention that SOC only applies to new run
releases, and if one were really worries about that, there's still the
HDFury+HD-PVR option which is functionally (and resultswise) basically
the same exact thing as trying to capture the raw HDMI output.

Then the same people will revert to the "it's just the toe in the
door! THEY'RE COMING FOR OUR DATAS!" doomsaying, and there will be
much gnashing of teeth.

And the wheel of time turns, and what is old is new again. ;)

Robert
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beww at beww

Sep 14, 2010, 8:51 AM

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Re: HDCP Key out? [In reply to]

On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 09:33:58 am Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> > Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
> >
> > http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-
> > Revealed
>
> Dunno what this really means to/for HTPC users though. I already get an
> HDCP-handshaked (AFAIK and presume) connection between my Acer Revo and
> my television, which also passes the DD/DTS from Myth on the Revo to my
> receiver on the optical connection.
>
> What I need now is the HTPC (i.e. Myth) to be able to _reliably_ read
> and play DVDs (even with all of the non-compliance going on lately as a
> copy protection mechanism) and B/R discs. I know the latter is
> coming. :-) Although it's still limited to not-so-recent titles AFAIU.
>

I posted that because I thought it would be of "interest" to people on this list, I don't think it has any immediate use
for any of us. HDCP is not (yet) causing problems with Myth that I'm aware of.

Linux BR playing is here now, with a failure rate that's better than DVDs, probably because they haven't begun to mess
with the standard as much as they have with DVDs. You can even watch HD-DVDs under Linux, though it's hard to imagine that
much will be spent on "protecting" that dead format.

If you buy a BR drive, it usually comes with a licensed (Windows) player, just as DVD drives do (at least the consumer
packaged ones, OEM drives might be different).

So if I have payed for a BR disk, and a licensed player, I think that morally I am not "stealing" anything if I choose to
watch it under Linux, though the precise letter of the law makes just about anything, probably including reading the
label, "illegal".

Forcing me to send Microsoft over $100, just to watch my paid-for content, is over the top in terms of legal extortion.




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Douglas_Peale at comcast

Sep 14, 2010, 10:04 AM

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Re: HDCP Key out? [In reply to]

On 09/14/2010 08:49 AM, Robert McNamara wrote:
> there's still the
> HDFury+HD-PVR option which is functionally (and resultswise) basically
> the same exact thing as trying to capture the raw HDMI output.

Almost, but not quite the same thing. Currently they can revoke the key used by the HDFury and turn all of them into bricks. I
don't believe they have done this yet because I think it shares a key with another more popular product, but if HDFury becomes
common, they could do it.

This key announcement means that a device could be designed that could be easily re-programmed to use a new key. This means it
could not be bricked.
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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Sep 14, 2010, 10:05 AM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Douglas Peale
<Douglas_Peale [at] comcast> wrote:
> On 09/14/2010 08:49 AM, Robert McNamara wrote:
>> there's still the
>> HDFury+HD-PVR option which is functionally (and resultswise) basically
>> the same exact thing as trying to capture the raw HDMI output.
>
> Almost, but not quite the same thing. Currently they can revoke the key used by the HDFury and turn all of them into bricks. I
> don't believe they have done this yet because I think it shares a key with another more popular product, but if HDFury becomes
> common, they could do it.

Except the firmware on the HDFury is upgradeable, allowing one to
simply flash it with a new key.

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jedi at mishnet

Sep 14, 2010, 10:27 AM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:51:50AM -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 09:33:58 am Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> > > Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
> > >
> > > http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-
> > > Revealed
> >
> > Dunno what this really means to/for HTPC users though. I already get an
[deletia]
> Forcing me to send Microsoft over $100, just to watch my paid-for content,
> is over the top in terms of legal extortion.

The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is the
bad part.
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bkamen at benjammin

Sep 14, 2010, 10:30 AM

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Re: HDCP Key out? [In reply to]

On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
>
> The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is the
> bad part.

Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say so.

I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy software.

hahahah.

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beww at beww

Sep 14, 2010, 10:45 AM

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On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 11:30:35 am Ben Kamen wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
> > The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is
> > the
> >
> > bad part.
>
> Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say so.
>
> I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy software.
>
> hahahah.

The check is in the mail, of course I may have forgotten to sign it. Or the driver for my Proprietary Windows check
signing machine may have malfunctioned.

I usually complain about having to buy Windows, because most people can understand that, while most people think talk
about "software freedom", no DRM and other such "freedoms" is socialist talk, and they can't understand the issues
involved.

If Windows were free from monetary cost (as in beer) I would be just as unhappy, but the vast majority of people would not
understand that.

Of course I forgot the group here would almost universally understand.

The really funny thing is I am probably more assiduous about paying for what I get than most "law-abiding" consumers.
Heck, I tried to pay for Myth, by contributing money to help cover the cost of the server for this list etc., to no avail,
but I tried.

But I will watch my video content on the system I choose, if that makes me a "criminal", so be it.



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tortise at paradise

Sep 14, 2010, 1:13 PM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert McNamara" <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>
To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDCP Key out?

I for one appreciate your responding Robert, thank you.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Brian J. Murrell <brian [at] interlinx> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
>> Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
>>
>> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-Revealed
>

>Now, the usual suspects will pop up and say that this sidesteps the
Image Constraint Token (ICT).

Not only am I a suspect, as I am responding, I am guilty of the charge of seeking to understand.

>And a more informed someone will mention that the ICT is *only* a part
of the Blu-ray specification, and that *0* discs ship with it enabled,
and that it is not relevant in any way to broadcast media.

I am not so sure that ICT are not a part of some broadcast media, they after all mere digital tokens (protocol flag according to
wikipedia) and there is no reason I can see why they cannot be transmitted in a broadcast stream, just as they are embedded in a BR
disc stream.

As I see it the key to ICT working is a two way information flow, to allow the confirmation that there is a display device at the
end of the chain that is HDCP compliant to send HD to (else SD or nil). It seems DVB-T is a one way stream, so I expect Robert is
correct here.

What about IPTV(or an Internet two way protocol?), where a IPTV broadcaster uses a BR ICT enabled disc as the source in HDCP
equipment and there is a two way digital traffic path? Seems to me that ICT and HDCP was also designed for this? Doesn't the
schema involve a digital chain of any number of compatible intermediary devices / interconnects length?

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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Sep 14, 2010, 1:17 PM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McNamara"
> <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>
> To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDCP Key out?
>
> I for one appreciate your responding Robert, thank you.
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Brian J. Murrell <brian [at] interlinx>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 09:13 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
>>>
>>> Thought this might be of interest to folks here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1211205/HDCP-Master-Key-Revealed
>>
>
>> Now, the usual suspects will pop up and say that this sidesteps the
>
> Image Constraint Token (ICT).
>
> Not only am I a suspect, as I am responding, I am guilty of the charge of
> seeking to understand.
>
>> And a more informed someone will mention that the ICT is *only* a part
>
> of the Blu-ray specification, and that *0* discs ship with it enabled,
> and that it is not relevant in any way to broadcast media.
>
> I am not so sure that ICT are not a part of some broadcast media, they after
> all mere digital tokens (protocol flag according to
> wikipedia) and there is no reason I can see why they cannot be transmitted
> in a broadcast stream, just as they are embedded in a BR disc stream.

Except they're not. ICT is part of AACS, not just some MPEG stream
flag. You'd need to switch the entire infrastructure's encryption to
AACS to use the ICT. It's just plain not gonna happen (ie, you're not
going to see everyone completely scrap their existing encryption,
broadcast, and receiver equipment to do so).

> As I see it the key to ICT working is a two way information flow, to allow
> the confirmation that there is a display device at the end of the chain that
> is HDCP compliant to send HD to (else SD or nil).  It seems DVB-T is a one
> way stream, so I expect Robert is correct here.
>
> What about IPTV(or an Internet two way protocol?), where a IPTV broadcaster
> uses a BR ICT enabled disc as the source in HDCP equipment and there is a
> two way digital traffic path?  Seems to me that ICT and HDCP was also
> designed for this?  Doesn't the schema involve a digital chain of any number
> of compatible intermediary devices / interconnects length?

See above, that's not how the ICT works (ie, it's not part of some
tunneled encryption, it's part of a specific encryption method that is
unique to blu-ray and HD-DVD).

Robert
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tortise at paradise

Sep 14, 2010, 1:28 PM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert McNamara" <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>
To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDCP Key out?


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McNamara"
> <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>
> To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDCP Key out?
>
> I for one appreciate your responding Robert, thank you.
>
>
> I am not so sure that ICT are not a part of some broadcast media, they after
> all mere digital tokens (protocol flag according to
> wikipedia) and there is no reason I can see why they cannot be transmitted
> in a broadcast stream, just as they are embedded in a BR disc stream.

>Except they're not. ICT is part of AACS, not just some MPEG stream
flag. You'd need to switch the entire infrastructure's encryption to
AACS to use the ICT. It's just plain not gonna happen (ie, you're not
going to see everyone completely scrap their existing encryption,
broadcast, and receiver equipment to do so).

I think we agree on 1 way traditional broadcasts.

> As I see it the key to ICT working is a two way information flow, to allow
> the confirmation that there is a display device at the end of the chain that
> is HDCP compliant to send HD to (else SD or nil). It seems DVB-T is a one
> way stream, so I expect Robert is correct here.
>
> What about IPTV(or an Internet two way protocol?), where a IPTV broadcaster
> uses a BR ICT enabled disc as the source in HDCP equipment and there is a
> two way digital traffic path? Seems to me that ICT and HDCP was also
> designed for this? Doesn't the schema involve a digital chain of any number
> of compatible intermediary devices / interconnects length?

>See above, that's not how the ICT works (ie, it's not part of some
tunneled encryption, it's part of a specific encryption method that is
unique to blu-ray and HD-DVD).

The IPTV example I gave uses BR discs as source, so your response suggests it could apply and to me gives no reason it couldn't
apply.

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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Sep 14, 2010, 1:39 PM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

>
> The IPTV example I gave uses BR discs as source, so your response suggests
> it could apply and to me gives no reason it couldn't apply.

IPTV is still muxed in the traditional fashion, just as with any other
transmission method-- ie, it requires a raw, unencrypted source, which
is then transmitted via multicast, and the recipient needs to be
capable of decrypting the material. The ICT is a part of AACS. There
is no such thing as an AACS broadcast set top box. Therefore, there
is no such thing as transmitting AACS content, nor the ICT. The ICT
*is not an MPEG stream flag*. It can't be simply passed through in
the absence of the encryption method of which it is a part. The
broadcaster would need to scrap their traditional methods of
encryption and adopt AACS as their encryption method to even think of
using the ICT in any fashion. Not only has this not happened, it is
enormously unlikely that it *will* ever happen. It is far, far easier
to simply disable the analog outputs without having the replace all of
your hardware on both the headend and client side.

To summarize: Using a Blu-ray disc as the source for an IPTV stream
would still require the decryption of that disc for transmission, and
the ICT would be lost as soon as the disc is decrypted. You can't
selectively pass through the ICT, as the ICT isn't just some yes/no
flag. It's a part of the decryption process. There's no such thing
as an AAC STB, so even if you forgo all of the previous, there exists
no hardware that could handle it. The supposition is broken all
around.

Robert
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tortise at paradise

Sep 14, 2010, 1:43 PM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert McNamara" <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>
To: "Discussion about MythTV" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDCP Key out?


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

>
> The IPTV example I gave uses BR discs as source, so your response suggests
> it could apply and to me gives no reason it couldn't apply.

>IPTV is still muxed in the traditional fashion, just as with any other
transmission method-- ie, it requires a raw, unencrypted source, which
is then transmitted via multicast, and the recipient needs to be
capable of decrypting the material. The ICT is a part of AACS. There
is no such thing as an AACS broadcast set top box. Therefore, there
is no such thing as transmitting AACS content, nor the ICT. The ICT
*is not an MPEG stream flag*. It can't be simply passed through in
the absence of the encryption method of which it is a part. The
broadcaster would need to scrap their traditional methods of
encryption and adopt AACS as their encryption method to even think of
using the ICT in any fashion. Not only has this not happened, it is
enormously unlikely that it *will* ever happen. It is far, far easier
to simply disable the analog outputs without having the replace all of
your hardware on both the headend and client side.

>To summarize: Using a Blu-ray disc as the source for an IPTV stream
would still require the decryption of that disc for transmission, and
the ICT would be lost as soon as the disc is decrypted. You can't
selectively pass through the ICT, as the ICT isn't just some yes/no
flag. It's a part of the decryption process. There's no such thing
as an AAC STB, so even if you forgo all of the previous, there exists
no hardware that could handle it. The supposition is broken all
around.

Thank you indeed for the more detailed explanation Robert, not to mention your contribution (and everyone else) to mythtv.
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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Sep 14, 2010, 1:45 PM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

>
> Thank you indeed for the more detailed explanation Robert, not to mention
> your contribution (and everyone else) to mythtv.

You are welcome, hope it makes things more clear.

Robert
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jedi at mishnet

Sep 14, 2010, 1:46 PM

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Ben Kamen wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
> >
> > The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is the
> >bad part.
>
> Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say so.
>
> I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy software.
>
> hahahah.

Too late.

I already have a copy of the crappy software in question. That's why I'm
so willing to stand up and declare that using Windows 7 MCE is a fate much
worse than having to pay for it.

I could send you my copy but I am not sure I dislike you that much.


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beww at beww

Sep 14, 2010, 1:56 PM

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On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 02:46:08 pm jedi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Ben Kamen wrote:
> > On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
> > > The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is
> > > the
> > >
> > >bad part.
> >
> > Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say so.
> >
> > I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy
> > software.
> >
> > hahahah.
>
> Too late.
>
> I already have a copy of the crappy software in question. That's why
> I'm so willing to stand up and declare that using Windows 7 MCE is a fate
> much worse than having to pay for it.
>
> I could send you my copy but I am not sure I dislike you that much.

Thank you, and most of the breakable things in my home also thank you.

I must admit I own a machine that runs Vista, another OS for masochists. I does just one thing: it runs the PlayON server
and nothing else (that I know about). The machine is banished to the garage.

Though I have to admit that it does what I want it to do, without too much trouble. I bother with it only to install the
multiple weekly Microsoft "fixes", none of which have made any improvement.



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bkamen at benjammin

Sep 14, 2010, 2:45 PM

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Re: HDCP Key out? [In reply to]

On 9/14/2010 3:46 PM, jedi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Ben Kamen wrote:
>>
>> I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy software.
>>
>
> Too late.
>
> I already have a copy of the crappy software in question. That's why I'm
> so willing to stand up and declare that using Windows 7 MCE is a fate much
> worse than having to pay for it.
>
> I could send you my copy but I am not sure I dislike you that much.

Yes... but I didn't MAKE you do it.

And you're still *required* (simply cause I say so) to send me that $100.

:)

-Ben
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newbury at mandamus

Sep 15, 2010, 9:22 AM

Post #19 of 20 (5529 views)
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On 09/14/2010 04:56 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 02:46:08 pm jedi wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Ben Kamen wrote:
>>> On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
>>>> The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff is
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> bad part.
>>>
>>> Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say so.
>>>
>>> I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy
>>> software.
>>>
>>> hahahah.
>>
>> Too late.
>>
>> I already have a copy of the crappy software in question. That's why
>> I'm so willing to stand up and declare that using Windows 7 MCE is a fate
>> much worse than having to pay for it.
>>
>> I could send you my copy but I am not sure I dislike you that much.
>
> Thank you, and most of the breakable things in my home also thank you.
>
> I must admit I own a machine that runs Vista, another OS for masochists. I does just one thing: it runs the PlayON server
> and nothing else (that I know about). The machine is banished to the garage.
>
> Though I have to admit that it does what I want it to do, without too much trouble. I bother with it only to install the
> multiple weekly Microsoft "fixes", none of which have made any improvement.
>
And we now have you *admission* that you are insane! (As one definition
of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a
different result ;-)

Of course, with myth we often seem to do the same thing over and
over...but we DO get different results!

--
R. Geoffrey Newbury

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beww at beww

Sep 15, 2010, 11:01 AM

Post #20 of 20 (5529 views)
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Re: HDCP Key out? [In reply to]

On Wednesday 15 September 2010 10:22:07 R. G. Newbury wrote:
> On 09/14/2010 04:56 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 02:46:08 pm jedi wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:35PM -0500, Ben Kamen wrote:
> >>> On 9/14/2010 12:27 PM, jedi wrote:
> >>>> The money is not the bad part. Being forced to use their stuff
> >>>> is the
> >>>>
> >>>> bad part.
> >>>
> >>> Well, then I hearby decree that YOU send me $100. Just because I say
> >>> so.
> >>>
> >>> I promise to put it to good use, and I won't make you use crappy
> >>> software.
> >>>
> >>> hahahah.
> >>
> >> Too late.
> >>
> >> I already have a copy of the crappy software in question. That's
> >> why I'm so willing to stand up and declare that using Windows 7 MCE is a
> >> fate much worse than having to pay for it.
> >>
> >> I could send you my copy but I am not sure I dislike you that much.
> >
> > Thank you, and most of the breakable things in my home also thank you.
> >
> > I must admit I own a machine that runs Vista, another OS for masochists.
> > I does just one thing: it runs the PlayON server and nothing else (that I
> > know about). The machine is banished to the garage.
> >
> > Though I have to admit that it does what I want it to do, without too
> > much trouble. I bother with it only to install the multiple weekly
> > Microsoft "fixes", none of which have made any improvement.
>
> And we now have you *admission* that you are insane! (As one definition
> of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a
> different result ;-)
>
> Of course, with myth we often seem to do the same thing over and
> over...but we DO get different results!

Hopefully the results get better each time. They do when I fool around with
Myth. There is the occasional glitch with upgrades, but in general each
release has been much better than its predecessor.

I have to keep upgrading Vista, MS tells me emphatically that "my computer
might be at risk" if I don't :-)

Of course "your computer might be at risk" is a true statement under just
about any circumstances (the exception being if it's turned off and located
in an abandoned salt mine, but I suppose there are risks even then).

The real problem is most people buy into the "might be at risk" line, I've
seen perfectly sane people start pulling out their credit card for the most
obvious scams trying to sell bogus "security" software.

--
Brian Wood
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