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gaberubin at gmail

Sep 5, 2010, 3:19 PM

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Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim.

Hi,

I put in a GeForce GT220 with 1 GB of memory (Asus ENGT220, which has
a fan) in my new combined FE/BE. I had one of the case fans connected
to my motherboard, but because I could only connect one chassis fan to
the motherboard (I also have the cpu fan plugged in and the PSU has a
fan) and in an effort to keep the system quiet, I decided not to plug
the other two fans to the PSU using an adapter that came with my case.
This would have the motherboard running at around 50C during playback
(sensors reports that 45 is high and 75 is critical).

When I tried playing back HD (but not SD video), it would reboot the
system using VDPAU High or Normal (although it takes longer to reboot
with Normal), but I could playback fine with VDPAU Slim. I figured
that the GPU is probably running hot so I opened the case and
connected the other two fans. The motherboard temp now seems to never
get above 42C and averages 40C. I can't find the temperature of the
GPU because NVClock does not support this card.

My preference would be to not run 3 case fans, a PSU fan, and a CPU
fan. It seems like a lot of unneeded noise and power consumption. I
specifically got a sempron chip for this computer to make it run
cooler and quieter. At the same time, I wanted to use all the bells
and whistles of the highest quality VDPAU playback, otherwise, I would
have just gotten a board with a 9XXX series onborad graphics. Can
anyone recommend a different card that may run cooler and is the 1GB
of memory overkill and going to run hotter than a 512MB board? I
realize I can replace the case fans with quieter fans, but that is not
ideal.

Another question, is there a way to slow down the fans connected
directly to the PSU when the computer is at a lower temperature? I
know that there are ways to do this with fans connected to the
motherboard, but not sure these ones. I don't mind the fans spinning
during playback because I can only hear them when the room is quiet.
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tortise at paradise

Sep 5, 2010, 3:26 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabe Rubin" <gaberubin [at] gmail>
To: "Myth User" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: [mythtv-users] Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim.
> I can't find the temperature of the
GPU because NVClock does not support this card.

Try under the NVIDIA settings config, "Thermal Settings" (nvidia-settings)

Yes they (that is my older VDPAU card) run hot, 60-65 deg typ for me. I'd increase cooling if it was getting above 70, others may
prefer different...

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Sep 5, 2010, 3:37 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Rubin" <gaberubin [at] gmail>
> To: "Myth User" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:19 AM
> Subject: [mythtv-users] Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system
> on anything above VDAPUA slim.
>>
>> I can't find the temperature of the
>
> GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
>
> Try under the NVIDIA settings config, "Thermal Settings" (nvidia-settings)
>
> Yes they (that is my older VDPAU card) run hot, 60-65 deg typ for me. I'd
> increase cooling if it was getting above 70, others may prefer different...

How do you determine the temperature of the card? I am pretty sure it
was running hot enough to cause the computer to reboot, but I kept
running sensors to see if the MB temp was getting high and it never
really got beyond 50C. Do I need to do that in nvidia-settings? Is
there a config file I can adjust from the command line instead? I
have the box hooked to a tv so can't really run gui programs well with
it (aside from myth).
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Sep 5, 2010, 4:10 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Rubin" <gaberubin [at] gmail>
>> To: "Myth User" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:19 AM
>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system
>> on anything above VDAPUA slim.
>>>
>>> I can't find the temperature of the
>>
>> GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
>>
>> Try under the NVIDIA settings config, "Thermal Settings" (nvidia-settings)
>>
>> Yes they (that is my older VDPAU card) run hot, 60-65 deg typ for me. I'd
>> increase cooling if it was getting above 70, others may prefer different...
>
> How do you determine the temperature of the card? I am pretty sure it
> was running hot enough to cause the computer to reboot, but I kept
> running sensors to see if the MB temp was getting high and it never
> really got beyond 50C. Do I need to do that in nvidia-settings? Is
> there a config file I can adjust from the command line instead? I
> have the box hooked to a tv so can't really run gui programs well with
> it (aside from myth).

A hot graphics card shouldn't, generally, cause the computer to reboot
- it might crash X, but it shouldn't bring down the whole system.
Recent nVidia graphics cards remain stable up to quite high
temperatures anyway (~105 degrees C) - not that you should run them
that way, as they'll cause damage to something sooner or later (see
also pictures of GTX480's melting the insulation off nearby power
cables).

It sounds like a problem with the Power Supply to me.

- Chris
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Sep 5, 2010, 4:44 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

I've got a fanless GT220 (ECS Silent Series NSGT220-1GQS-H GeForce GT
220 1GB) and am using VDPAU High rendering as well as the following
extra options: vdpauhqscaling,vdpausharpen=0.4,vdpaudenoise=0.4.
The card runs runs at 38C when idle and goes up to 65C when watching
HD content. Those temps don't concern me as the manufacturer states
45C idle, 75C under load, 105C max. I'm extracting my GPU temp using
nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp

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Sep 5, 2010, 6:39 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

Dave Badia wrote:
> I'm extracting my GPU temp using
> nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>
>
Something I picked up somewhere else... I forget where... if all you are
doing is querying the temp, the command

nvidia-smi -q -g 0

will do it quicker with less resources than nvidia-settings.

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Sep 5, 2010, 6:49 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Alan Young <ayoung [at] teleport> wrote:
> Dave Badia wrote:
>>
>> I'm extracting my GPU temp using
>> nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>>
>>
>
> Something I picked up somewhere else... I forget where... if all you are
> doing is querying the temp, the command
>
> nvidia-smi -q -g 0
>
> will do it quicker with less resources than nvidia-settings.
>
> Alan

Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:

# nvidia-smi -q -g 0
GPU 0:
Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
PCI ID : 42910de
Temperature : 64 C

# nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.

Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).

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Sep 5, 2010, 7:06 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On 09/05/2010 09:49 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
> Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:
>
> # nvidia-smi -q -g 0
> GPU 0:
> Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
> PCI ID : 42910de
> Temperature : 64 C
>
> # nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
> 'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
> 'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
> 'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.
>
> Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
> is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).

Make sure that you are looking at the same machine. nvidia-smi will
query the hardware on the machine that it runs on. nvidia-settings will
query the hardware that your X display is set to.

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Sep 5, 2010, 7:17 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski
<bc-mythtv [at] comcast> wrote:
> On 09/05/2010 09:49 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>>
>> Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:
>>
>> # nvidia-smi -q -g 0
>> GPU 0:
>> Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
>> PCI ID : 42910de
>> Temperature : 64 C
>>
>> # nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.
>>
>> Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
>> is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).
>
My GS8400 fanless idles at 55 to 65C and hits full load at 85C+.
nvidia-settings tells me 120C is the max for that so I do not worry at
all.

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Sep 5, 2010, 7:33 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski
<bc-mythtv [at] comcast> wrote:
> On 09/05/2010 09:49 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>>
>> Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:
>>
>> # nvidia-smi -q -g 0
>> GPU 0:
>> Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
>> PCI ID : 42910de
>> Temperature : 64 C
>>
>> # nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
>> 'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.
>>
>> Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
>> is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).
>
> Make sure that you are looking at the same machine. nvidia-smi will query
> the hardware on the machine that it runs on. nvidia-settings will query the
> hardware that your X display is set to.
>

It is the same machine.

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Sep 5, 2010, 8:10 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sunday, September 05, 2010 08:17:02 pm John Drescher wrote:

>
> My GS8400 fanless idles at 55 to 65C and hits full load at 85C+.
> nvidia-settings tells me 120C is the max for that so I do not worry at
> all.

nVidia should know I guess, but personally I would try to find some way to get it to run cooler. The general rule with
electronics is cooler is better, and, as is said, "It couldn't hurt".

To a point of course, you don't want thermal cracks in the plastic or ceramic packaging from taking to down to -100C. Of
course it's usually the *change* in temperature that cracks things, if you change very slowly you are less prone to
problems.

Temperature stability is important, repeated heating and cooling cycles are not good, and can lead to chips migrating out
of sockets, and broken internal connections.

85° C or more is just too hot IMHO, unless you are talking about high-power vacuum tubes, even then it's pretty hot,
except of course the cathode itself.

I wonder if the card makers are willing to sacrifice longevity for "fanless".

But I guess the ultimate test is, does it work? I guess the worst thing is you have to buy a new card, and they are
relatively cheap these days.

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Sep 5, 2010, 8:17 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On 05/09/2010 6:19 PM, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I put in a GeForce GT220 with 1 GB of memory (Asus ENGT220, which has
> a fan) in my new combined FE/BE. I had one of the case fans connected
> to my motherboard, but because I could only connect one chassis fan to
> the motherboard (I also have the cpu fan plugged in and the PSU has a
> fan) and in an effort to keep the system quiet, I decided not to plug
> the other two fans to the PSU using an adapter that came with my case.
> This would have the motherboard running at around 50C during playback
> (sensors reports that 45 is high and 75 is critical).
>
> When I tried playing back HD (but not SD video), it would reboot the
> system using VDPAU High or Normal (although it takes longer to reboot
> with Normal), but I could playback fine with VDPAU Slim. I figured
> that the GPU is probably running hot so I opened the case and
> connected the other two fans. The motherboard temp now seems to never
> get above 42C and averages 40C. I can't find the temperature of the
> GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
If its causing your system to reboot, I'd suspect the power supply
personally.
> My preference would be to not run 3 case fans, a PSU fan, and a CPU
> fan. It seems like a lot of unneeded noise and power consumption. I
> specifically got a sempron chip for this computer to make it run
> cooler and quieter. At the same time, I wanted to use all the bells
> and whistles of the highest quality VDPAU playback, otherwise, I would
> have just gotten a board with a 9XXX series onborad graphics. Can
> anyone recommend a different card that may run cooler and is the 1GB
> of memory overkill and going to run hotter than a 512MB board? I
> realize I can replace the case fans with quieter fans, but that is not
> ideal.
>
> Another question, is there a way to slow down the fans connected
> directly to the PSU when the computer is at a lower temperature? I
> know that there are ways to do this with fans connected to the
> motherboard, but not sure these ones. I don't mind the fans spinning
> during playback because I can only hear them when the room is quiet.
I've taken three different approaches here in the past, of course they
all require openning the PSU, which, at the very least voids any
warranty, at worst kills you - IOW follow these instructions at your
own risk.

1. Replace the PSU fan with a Vantec stealth, almost silent.
2. Replace the PSU fan (or depending on how it was installed, cut into
the power wires for the fan) and install a fan speed controller (there
are some auto-temperature adjusting units out there if you don't want to
make your own).
3. Replace the PSU with something like the
http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-500hp-power-supply.html

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Sep 5, 2010, 8:24 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Andrew C. Stadt <acstadt [at] stadt> wrote:
> On 05/09/2010 6:19 PM, Gabe Rubin wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I put in a GeForce GT220 with 1 GB of memory (Asus ENGT220, which has
>> a fan) in my new combined FE/BE. I had one of the case fans connected
>> to my motherboard, but because I could only connect one chassis fan to
>> the motherboard (I also have the cpu fan plugged in and the PSU has a
>> fan) and in an effort to keep the system quiet, I decided not to plug
>> the other two fans to the PSU using an adapter that came with my case.
>> This would have the motherboard running at around 50C during playback
>> (sensors reports that 45 is high and 75 is critical).
>>
>> When I tried playing back HD (but not SD video), it would reboot the
>> system using VDPAU High or Normal (although it takes longer to reboot
>> with Normal), but I could playback fine with VDPAU Slim. I figured
>> that the GPU is probably running hot so I opened the case and
>> connected the other two fans. The motherboard temp now seems to never
>> get above 42C and averages 40C. I can't find the temperature of the
>> GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
>
> If its causing your system to reboot, I'd suspect the power supply
> personally.
>>
>> My preference would be to not run 3 case fans, a PSU fan, and a CPU
>> fan. It seems like a lot of unneeded noise and power consumption. I
>> specifically got a sempron chip for this computer to make it run
>> cooler and quieter. At the same time, I wanted to use all the bells
>> and whistles of the highest quality VDPAU playback, otherwise, I would
>> have just gotten a board with a 9XXX series onborad graphics. Can
>> anyone recommend a different card that may run cooler and is the 1GB
>> of memory overkill and going to run hotter than a 512MB board? I
>> realize I can replace the case fans with quieter fans, but that is not
>> ideal.
>>
>> Another question, is there a way to slow down the fans connected
>> directly to the PSU when the computer is at a lower temperature? I
>> know that there are ways to do this with fans connected to the
>> motherboard, but not sure these ones. I don't mind the fans spinning
>> during playback because I can only hear them when the room is quiet.
>
> I've taken three different approaches here in the past, of course they all
> require openning the PSU, which, at the very least voids any warranty, at
> worst kills you - IOW follow these instructions at your own risk.
>
> 1. Replace the PSU fan with a Vantec stealth, almost silent.
> 2. Replace the PSU fan (or depending on how it was installed, cut into the
> power wires for the fan) and install a fan speed controller (there are some
> auto-temperature adjusting units out there if you don't want to make your
> own).
> 3. Replace the PSU with something like the
> http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-500hp-power-supply.html

I am open to replacing the fan. I got a 550W 80+ (bronze -- not sure
what that means) Antec PSU that I figured would be solid. I am open
to getting something else, even a fanless if it would not run hot. I
doubt I need a high wattage PSU. I am running with a sempron 45W, the
220GT (which may need more power than I would like), 2 HD, a
DVD-burner, a PVR-350 and a firewire PCI card. I would like to run
with as minimal power as possible to silence it. Maybe the PSU was
not good?
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Sep 5, 2010, 10:28 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

> If its causing your system to reboot, I'd suspect the power
> supply personally.

550W should be way more than enough. Unless it is defective.

> 1. Replace the PSU fan with a Vantec stealth, almost silent.

I used to think my Vantec Stealth was quiet until I discovered Nexus,
"the unofficial benchmark
that other fans will have to measure up to" on silentpcreview.com.

FYI I like to keep a log of temperatures so I can still see what was
going on after the fact. I launch the following in one of my startup
scripts:

#!/bin/bash
while [ 1 ]; do
CPU=`/usr/bin/sensors | grep temp1 | awk '{print $2}'`
GPU=`/usr/local/bin/nvclock -T | grep temperature | awk '{print $4}'`
TIME=`/bin/date`
echo $TIME CPU $CPU, GPU $GPU >> /var/log/temperature
sleep 60
done

You will, if course, need to tweak the grep and awk statements to suit
your particular set of sensors. And if nvclock doesn't work for your
card, perhaps the `nvidia-smi -q -g 0` mentioned earlier is a good
substitute.
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Sep 6, 2010, 6:57 AM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On 09/05/2010 10:33 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski
> <bc-mythtv [at] comcast> wrote:
>> On 09/05/2010 09:49 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>>>
>>> Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:
>>>
>>> # nvidia-smi -q -g 0
>>> GPU 0:
>>> Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
>>> PCI ID : 42910de
>>> Temperature : 64 C
>>>
>>> # nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>>> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.
>>>
>>> Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
>>> is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).
>>
>> Make sure that you are looking at the same machine. nvidia-smi will query
>> the hardware on the machine that it runs on. nvidia-settings will query the
>> hardware that your X display is set to.
>>
>
> It is the same machine.

Do you have more than one nvidia graphics? Quadro NVS 140M is not GT220,
is it? Try

nvidia-smi -q -g 1

or some such. What does lspci say?

Bolek
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Sep 6, 2010, 2:01 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Boleslaw Ciesielski
<bc-mythtv [at] comcast> wrote:
> On 09/05/2010 10:33 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski
>> <bc-mythtv [at] comcast> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/05/2010 09:49 PM, Fedor Pikus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quicker, may be. Not sure how accurate:
>>>>
>>>> # nvidia-smi -q -g 0
>>>> GPU 0:
>>>> Product Name : Quadro NVS 140M
>>>> PCI ID : 42910de
>>>> Temperature : 64 C
>>>>
>>>> # nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp
>>>> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (caffeine:0.0): 54.
>>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is an integer attribute.
>>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' is a read-only attribute.
>>>> 'GPUCoreTemp' can use the following target types: X Screen, GPU.
>>>>
>>>> Gnome sensor applet also says 54. and 64 does seem a bit high (the GPU
>>>> is pretty much idle right now, and CPU temperature is 45C).
>>>
>>> Make sure that you are looking at the same machine. nvidia-smi will query
>>> the hardware on the machine that it runs on. nvidia-settings will query
>>> the
>>> hardware that your X display is set to.
>>>
>>
>> It is the same machine.
>
> Do you have more than one nvidia graphics? Quadro NVS 140M is not GT220, is
> it? Try
>
> nvidia-smi -q -g 1
>
> or some such. What does lspci say?
>

I have only one card (I'm not the poster who asked the original
question, I don't have GT220 at all).

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Sep 7, 2010, 1:42 AM

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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Rubin" <gaberubin [at] gmail>
> > To: "Myth User" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [mythtv-users] Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my
> system
> > on anything above VDAPUA slim.
> >>
> >> I can't find the temperature of the
> >
> > GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
> >
> > Try under the NVIDIA settings config, "Thermal Settings"
> (nvidia-settings)
> >
> > Yes they (that is my older VDPAU card) run hot, 60-65 deg typ for me.
> I'd
> > increase cooling if it was getting above 70, others may prefer
> different...
>
> How do you determine the temperature of the card?

DISPLAY=:0 nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp|grep Attribute

> I am pretty sure it

> was running hot enough to cause the computer to reboot, but I kept
> running sensors to see if the MB temp was getting high and it never
> really got beyond 50C. Do I need to do that in nvidia-settings? Is
> there a config file I can adjust from the command line instead? I
> have the box hooked to a tv so can't really run gui programs well with
> it (aside from myth).
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Sep 9, 2010, 4:01 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Gabe Rubin <gaberubin [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Rubin" <gaberubin [at] gmail>
>> > To: "Myth User" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:19 AM
>> > Subject: [mythtv-users] Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my
>> > system
>> > on anything above VDAPUA slim.
>> >>
>> >> I can't find the temperature of the
>> >
>> > GPU because NVClock does not support this card.
>> >
>> > Try under the NVIDIA settings config, "Thermal Settings"
>> > (nvidia-settings)
>> >
>> > Yes they (that is my older VDPAU card) run hot, 60-65 deg typ for me.
>> > I'd
>> > increase cooling if it was getting above 70, others may prefer
>> > different...
>>
>> How do you determine the temperature of the card?
>
> DISPLAY=:0 nvidia-settings -q GPUCoreTemp|grep Attribute

So I determined that my card runs at 54 when idle. It runs as hot as
96 when under load (VDPAU high quality playing a 1080i mpeg2 firewire
capture)

This seems excessively hot. Fortunately, it does not affect the
motherboard speeds.

My question is would a 220 with 512 megs of ram run cooler and should
I be concerned about this heat aside from the fact that life of the
card will probably be short? Would replacing the 3 case fans with
something more efficient be advisable?
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Sep 9, 2010, 4:16 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Thursday, September 09, 2010 05:01:05 pm Gabe Rubin wrote:

> So I determined that my card runs at 54 when idle. It runs as hot as
> 96 when under load (VDPAU high quality playing a 1080i mpeg2 firewire
> capture)
>
> This seems excessively hot. Fortunately, it does not affect the
> motherboard speeds.
>
> My question is would a 220 with 512 megs of ram run cooler and should
> I be concerned about this heat aside from the fact that life of the
> card will probably be short? Would replacing the 3 case fans with
> something more efficient be advisable?

Not sure what you mean by "efficient", normally that would mean moving the same amount of air with less power, or moving
more air with the same power, as well as how efficient the motor is, in other words how much of the energy input moves air
and how much is turned into heat.

But, using fans that move more air, without regard to how "efficiently" they do so, can't hurt. The more heat you can remove
from the case interior the better.

Just adding more fans is not the whole matter though, the case has to have a good design, with careful thought to the
airflow inside it. Just adding fans willy-nilly might even make things worse. I've seen systems put together by amateurs
where one fan was fighting another, kind of an isometric exercise in sucking up power and doing nothing.

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Sep 9, 2010, 6:00 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

> My question is would a 220 with 512 megs of ram run cooler

Not appreciably. RAM does generate heat, yes, but insignificant
compared to the GPU.

> Would replacing the 3 case fans with
> something more efficient be advisable?

Hang on, I think you have a more basic problem if the GPU fan + two
case fans + PS fan can't keep the thing cool. Are you sure the GPU fan
is even running? 96°C sounds like the temperature of a passively
cooled GPU. Is the GPU fan intake situated really close to something
else that would restrict it's ability to suck air?

If you had case ventilation issues, I'd expect the CPU to be hot too,
which again points to a problem with the GPU... maybe one of your GPU
heatsink mounting pins has popped loose or something. In short, I
would look to the video card's physical situation before doing
anything else.
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Sep 9, 2010, 6:46 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tyler T <tylernt [at] gmail> wrote:

> > My question is would a 220 with 512 megs of ram run cooler
>
> Not appreciably. RAM does generate heat, yes, but insignificant
> compared to the GPU.
>
> > Would replacing the 3 case fans with
> > something more efficient be advisable?
>
> Hang on, I think you have a more basic problem if the GPU fan + two
> case fans + PS fan can't keep the thing cool. Are you sure the GPU fan
> is even running? 96°C sounds like the temperature of a passively
> cooled GPU. Is the GPU fan intake situated really close to something
> else that would restrict it's ability to suck air?
>
> If you had case ventilation issues, I'd expect the CPU to be hot too,
> which again points to a problem with the GPU... maybe one of your GPU
> heatsink mounting pins has popped loose or something. In short, I
> would look to the video card's physical situation before doing
> anything else.
>

My GT8400GS with fan was recently found to be reporting 148 degC, and
playing back dreadfully..

I blew the considerable amount of dust out of the case, fans, heatsinks etc
and turned the machine on again and card ran at 72 deg. All seemed sweet.
However over a period of time it rose to about 100. Taking another look the
GPU fan is not working and looks hard to replace. The fan looks designed for
the heatsink, and finding a replacement heatsink isn't easy either.

I'll probably get a fan sorted and then find the damn thing is cooked
anyway.

*sigh* all i need after the quake!

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Sep 9, 2010, 7:34 PM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

> GPU fan is not working and looks hard to replace. The fan looks designed for
> the heatsink, and finding a replacement heatsink isn't easy either.

When I was in your shoes, I found an easy fix: Zalman ZM-NB32K. I
chose it to replace the grinding HS+fan on my 8400GS because it has
"universal" mounting arms to fit the diagonally-mounted GPU, and
because it was cheap. I pointed a 40x20mm 12V fan running at 5V at it,
and now I typically see 60°C with peaks of 69°C watching HD content at
82°F ambient (note: I have also underclocked the GPU to 333MHz). I
beleive a 40mm fan could be mounted to the top of the NB32K if you
used the correct size of wood screw to bite into the cooling fins for
even better cooling than my "sticky-taped nearby" fan, but of course
this tall assembly would protrude over most if not all of your
adjacent PCI slots.
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Sep 9, 2010, 8:50 PM

Post #23 of 24 (982 views)
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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Tyler T <tylernt [at] gmail> wrote:

> > GPU fan is not working and looks hard to replace. The fan looks designed
> for
> > the heatsink, and finding a replacement heatsink isn't easy either.
>
> When I was in your shoes, I found an easy fix: Zalman ZM-NB32K. I
> chose it to replace the grinding HS+fan on my 8400GS because it has
> "universal" mounting arms to fit the diagonally-mounted GPU, and
> because it was cheap. I pointed a 40x20mm 12V fan running at 5V at it,
> and now I typically see 60°C with peaks of 69°C watching HD content at
> 82°F ambient (note: I have also underclocked the GPU to 333MHz). I
> beleive a 40mm fan could be mounted to the top of the NB32K if you
> used the correct size of wood screw to bite into the cooling fins for
> even better cooling than my "sticky-taped nearby" fan, but of course
> this tall assembly would protrude over most if not all of your
> adjacent PCI slots.
>

I never thought of a northbridge cooler, good work!

Trouble is the PCIe slot in my small form factor case is quite close to the
motherboard's northbridge heatsink, So i'd need to ensure it was going to
fit. It might also eacerbat heast problems to have the heatsinks so close
together.

still, certainly worth a look!

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Sep 10, 2010, 7:37 AM

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Re: Do GeForce GT220s run hot? Was rebooting my system on anything above VDAPUA slim. [In reply to]

Gabe Rubin wrote:

________________________________________

So I determined that my card runs at 54 when idle. It runs as hot as
96 when under load (VDPAU high quality playing a 1080i mpeg2 firewire
capture)

This seems excessively hot. Fortunately, it does not affect the
motherboard speeds.

My question is would a 220 with 512 megs of ram run cooler and should
I be concerned about this heat aside from the fact that life of the
card will probably be short? Would replacing the 3 case fans with
something more efficient be advisable?
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I have two 220s one MSI passivly cooled and one ASUS half hight with a fan, both 1 GB.

I suspected heat problems with my three DVB-S2 PCI cards in my combined BE/FE because the fan on the GT9500 I used earlier was nearly touching the closest DVB-S2 card.
I first replaced it with the ASUS 220 and the powerconsumption of the BE/FE dropped by 10 watts. I can't quite remember the temperature on this card but I think it was quite low both idle and under load with VDPAU. Probably not more than 40-50 degrees celsius.
I then replaced the ASUS with the MSI card because of the noise from the fan. I think this also runs in the 40-50 degrees celsius region.
The temperature of CPU, MB and five disks is quite stable in the 38-45 degrees celsius region.

Have you checked the thermal compound between the heatsink and the GPU?
I have experienced several cases of the compound being bad on brand new video cards.
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