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jklaas at appalachian

May 5, 2010, 5:47 AM

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HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA

This looks like an interesting tool to use with the HD-PVR if you only
have HDMI output from your converter box.

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37081

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beww at beww

May 5, 2010, 6:01 AM

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Re: HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA [In reply to]

On Wednesday 05 May 2010 06:47:18 am James Klaas wrote:
> This looks like an interesting tool to use with the HD-PVR if you only
> have HDMI output from your converter box.
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37081


A potentially very useful device, especially if the cable companies get their
wish and are allowed to turn off component outputs.

The Chinese user manual might come in handy, in Bejing :-)

It says it's HDCP capable, I wonder if it might be considered as circumventing
a protection mechanism.

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Dean at cognation

May 5, 2010, 6:06 AM

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Re: HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA [In reply to]

Cheaper than the HDfury as well.

http://www.edn.com/blog/400000040/post/130043213.html




Cheers,

Dean




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Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA

On Wednesday 05 May 2010 06:47:18 am James Klaas wrote:
> This looks like an interesting tool to use with the HD-PVR if you only
> have HDMI output from your converter box.
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37081


A potentially very useful device, especially if the cable companies get
their
wish and are allowed to turn off component outputs.

The Chinese user manual might come in handy, in Bejing :-)

It says it's HDCP capable, I wonder if it might be considered as
circumventing
a protection mechanism.

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joe at thefrys

May 5, 2010, 6:15 AM

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Re: HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA [In reply to]

>
>
> It says it's HDCP capable, I wonder if it might be considered as
> circumventing
> a protection mechanism.
>

It says it is HDCP "Compliant". This makes me fear that it will not work
with protected content.


beww at beww

May 5, 2010, 6:24 AM

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On Wednesday 05 May 2010 07:15:18 am Joseph Fry wrote:
> > It says it's HDCP capable, I wonder if it might be considered as
> > circumventing
> > a protection mechanism.
>
> It says it is HDCP "Compliant". This makes me fear that it will not work
> with protected content.
>

If it did I would expect the maker to be sued out of existence (though IANAL).

HDCP is designed to prevent the copying of HDMI video (hence the name), and if
this device is "compliant" it should not work with hdcp-protected content,
since the component signal is not a "protected path".

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udovdh at xs4all

May 5, 2010, 6:30 AM

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Re: HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA [In reply to]

On 2010-05-05 15:01, Brian Wood wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 May 2010 06:47:18 am James Klaas wrote:
>> This looks like an interesting tool to use with the HD-PVR if you only
>> have HDMI output from your converter box.
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37081
>
> A potentially very useful device, especially if the cable companies get their
> wish and are allowed to turn off component outputs.

Isn't that un-american and almost criminal to use?
You avoid HDCP! You can't do that!

If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws changed.

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brian at interlinx

May 5, 2010, 6:36 AM

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On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 15:30 +0200, Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws changed.

Because that works. Oh, it does if you are big business with lobby
dollars I guess. Silly me. I thought you meant actual voters -- the
people that your representative is supposed to be representing.

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beww at beww

May 5, 2010, 6:42 AM

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On Wednesday 05 May 2010 07:30:02 am Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> On 2010-05-05 15:01, Brian Wood wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 May 2010 06:47:18 am James Klaas wrote:
> >> This looks like an interesting tool to use with the HD-PVR if you only
> >> have HDMI output from your converter box.
> >>
> >> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37081
> >
> > A potentially very useful device, especially if the cable companies get
> > their wish and are allowed to turn off component outputs.
>
> Isn't that un-american and almost criminal to use?
> You avoid HDCP! You can't do that!
>
> If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws changed.

Upon thinking about it, "compliant" most likely means it will not convert
protected content.

I don't see how this device could be sold if it allowed the circumvention of
HDCP.

Is HDCP circumvention illegal? Yes, UnAmerican? No. Remember that the USA was
founded by criminal smugglers, bootleg rum makers, tax evaders, tea thieves
and other associated lawbreakers.
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udovdh at xs4all

May 5, 2010, 6:46 AM

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On 2010-05-05 15:42, Brian Wood wrote:
>> Isn't that un-american and almost criminal to use?
>> You avoid HDCP! You can't do that!
>>
>> If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws changed.
>
> Upon thinking about it, "compliant" most likely means it will not convert
> protected content.

I think there's a jumper in the box to make it un-compliant again.
(or some other trick)
What other use would such a box have in this time of digital HD content?

> Remember that the USA was
> founded by criminal smugglers, bootleg rum makers, tax evaders, tea thieves
> and other associated lawbreakers.

Then why hasn't the law changed over all of this time? ;-)


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francesco at fampeeters

May 5, 2010, 6:53 AM

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On 5/5/10 15:46 , Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> On 2010-05-05 15:42, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>>> Isn't that un-american and almost criminal to use?
>>> You avoid HDCP! You can't do that!
>>>
>>> If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws changed.
>>>
>> Upon thinking about it, "compliant" most likely means it will not convert
>> protected content.
>>
> I think there's a jumper in the box to make it un-compliant again.
> (or some other trick)
> What other use would such a box have in this time of digital HD content?
>
>
>> Remember that the USA was
>> founded by criminal smugglers, bootleg rum makers, tax evaders, tea thieves
>> and other associated lawbreakers.
>>
> Then why hasn't the law changed over all of this time? ;-)
>
Because lawmakers everywhere (incl. the USA) prefer to listen to money
rather than their voters!
--
Francesco
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beww at beww

May 5, 2010, 6:58 AM

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Re: HDMI to Component/Composite/VGA [In reply to]

On Wednesday 05 May 2010 07:46:41 am Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> On 2010-05-05 15:42, Brian Wood wrote:
> >> Isn't that un-american and almost criminal to use?
> >> You avoid HDCP! You can't do that!
> >>
> >> If you disagree, please call your representatives to get the laws
> >> changed.
> >
> > Upon thinking about it, "compliant" most likely means it will not convert
> > protected content.
>
> I think there's a jumper in the box to make it un-compliant again.
> (or some other trick)
> What other use would such a box have in this time of digital HD content?
>
> > Remember that the USA was
> > founded by criminal smugglers, bootleg rum makers, tax evaders, tea
> > thieves and other associated lawbreakers.
>
> Then why hasn't the law changed over all of this time? ;-)

It hasn't. Criminal activity is still encouraged, as long as you share your
ill-gotten gains by making "campaign contributions".

As to why should such a device be sold? Go into any software store and you
will see a box that says "DVD-Copy". Of course the one thing that product
won't do is copy a DVD. Great way to make money, sell something the buyer
thinks will help him break the law, so he can't complain when it doesn't do
what he thought it would. Sort of like "Officer, arrest that man, he sold me bad
drugs".

Notice no manufacturer's name is indicated on that page. I'd never buy a
product not knowing who stood (or didn't stand) behind it.

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