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chris.rouch at gmail

Apr 9, 2010, 2:42 AM

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recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands)

I currently have analog cable, but I'd like to change to digital. My
cable company (ziggo) uses CI+ - a slot for this is built into my TV.
Previously they used CI, and it was possible to buy PC cards which
could decode this and thus could be used by mythtv. It's not clear to
me if these cards still work or if they are now blocked. Using
satellite instead is not an option in my apartment, unfortunately.

So my questions are:

Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?

is it possible to take a decoded signal out of a decoder box and use
that for mythtv? will the quality in this case be any better than the
broadcast analog signal?

Any help will be appreciated.

Regards,

Chris
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klaas.de.waal at gmail

Apr 9, 2010, 9:34 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

>
> Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
> do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
>
Yes, ziggo DVB-C can still be received with appropriate hardware. I
have a KNC-One DVB-C card and an Alphacrypt classic CAM and that works
OK. Other cards that I have tested are Technotrend 1501 and Twinhan
VP2031A. I expect that any DVB-C card that is supported and that
accepts a CAM module will work.
Note: to do a service scan you need to apply a fix from trac ticket
#3640 (at least for mythtv-0.22) and recompile.

Cheers,
Klaas
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Apr 9, 2010, 9:41 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

On 2010-04-09 18:34, klaas de waal wrote:
> Yes, ziggo DVB-C can still be received with appropriate hardware. I

What about the UPC cable in the netherlands?
DVB-C card, a Nagravision 2 CAM and the card?
Does that work with mythtv?

Udo
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Apr 10, 2010, 12:27 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

>
> What about the UPC cable in the netherlands?
> DVB-C card, a Nagravision 2 CAM and the card?
> Does that work with mythtv?
>

As far as I know, there is no way you can receive UPC DVB-C with a
built-in DVB-C tuner in a TV or with a PC system such as MythTV when
the channels are encrypted, and (almost) all channels are encrypted.
You can only receive it with an UPC box. Of course for SD you can
capture the analog output of the UPC box so that you can receive all
digital channels that way.

Cheers,
Klaas
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gtmkramer at xs4all

Apr 10, 2010, 5:29 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:34 +0200, klaas de waal wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
> > do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
> >
> Yes, ziggo DVB-C can still be received with appropriate hardware. I
> have a KNC-One DVB-C card and an Alphacrypt classic CAM and that works
> OK. Other cards that I have tested are Technotrend 1501 and Twinhan
> VP2031A. I expect that any DVB-C card that is supported and that
> accepts a CAM module will work.
> Note: to do a service scan you need to apply a fix from trac ticket
> #3640 (at least for mythtv-0.22) and recompile.

I using a couple of Mystique CaBiX-C2's which are KNC-ONE clones with
Alpacrypt classic CAM's in the former Casema region. HD works great. I
use MythTV 0.22 on Fedora from rpmfusion, no additional patches were
needed for me. Scanning works without problems.

Cheers,
Jurgen

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chris.rouch at gmail

Apr 12, 2010, 6:08 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer [at] xs4all> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:34 +0200, klaas de waal wrote:
>> >
>> > Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
>> > do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
>> >
>> Yes, ziggo DVB-C can still be received with appropriate hardware. I
>> have a KNC-One DVB-C card and an Alphacrypt classic CAM and that works
>> OK. Other cards that I have tested are Technotrend 1501 and Twinhan
>> VP2031A. I expect that any DVB-C card that is supported and that
>> accepts a CAM module will work.
>> Note: to do a service scan you need to apply a fix from trac ticket
>> #3640 (at least for mythtv-0.22) and recompile.
>
> I using a couple of Mystique CaBiX-C2's which are KNC-ONE clones with
> Alpacrypt classic CAM's in the former Casema region. HD works great. I
> use MythTV 0.22 on Fedora from rpmfusion, no additional patches were
> needed for me. Scanning works without problems.
>
> Cheers,
> Jurgen
>

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I think ziggo are trying to phase
out alphacrypt - at least if i understand this page correctly:
https://www.ziggo.nl/#help/steljevraag/faq/2523 (Dutch isn't my first
language, so maybe I've misunderstood it).

Regards,

Chris
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Apr 14, 2010, 11:36 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 15:08 +0200, Chris Rouch wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jurgen Kramer <gtmkramer [at] xs4all> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 18:34 +0200, klaas de waal wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
> >> > do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
> >> >
> >> Yes, ziggo DVB-C can still be received with appropriate hardware. I
> >> have a KNC-One DVB-C card and an Alphacrypt classic CAM and that works
> >> OK. Other cards that I have tested are Technotrend 1501 and Twinhan
> >> VP2031A. I expect that any DVB-C card that is supported and that
> >> accepts a CAM module will work.
> >> Note: to do a service scan you need to apply a fix from trac ticket
> >> #3640 (at least for mythtv-0.22) and recompile.
> >
> > I using a couple of Mystique CaBiX-C2's which are KNC-ONE clones with
> > Alpacrypt classic CAM's in the former Casema region. HD works great. I
> > use MythTV 0.22 on Fedora from rpmfusion, no additional patches were
> > needed for me. Scanning works without problems.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jurgen
> >
>
> Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I think ziggo are trying to phase
> out alphacrypt - at least if i understand this page correctly:
> https://www.ziggo.nl/#help/steljevraag/faq/2523 (Dutch isn't my first
> language, so maybe I've misunderstood it).
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
Yes they are probably trying to phase out Alphacrypt CAM's and devices
which only support CI.
CI support on newer TV's (2009/2010) which support CI+ has been disabled
already. So CI modules no longer work in CI+ enabled TV's.

But they probably have to let users continue to use there current
Alphacrypt CAM modules in TV's and devices which only support CI's.
Otherwise they will have a lot of angry users.

No guarantees of course...

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bert at bertenselena

Jul 5, 2010, 11:10 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

Hello Chris,

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Chris Rouch <chris.rouch [at] gmail> wrote:

> I currently have analog cable, but I'd like to change to digital. My
> cable company (ziggo) uses CI+ - a slot for this is built into my TV.
> Previously they used CI, and it was possible to buy PC cards which
> could decode this and thus could be used by mythtv. It's not clear to
> me if these cards still work or if they are now blocked. Using
> satellite instead is not an option in my apartment, unfortunately.
>
> So my questions are:
>
> Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
> do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
>
> is it possible to take a decoded signal out of a decoder box and use
> that for mythtv? will the quality in this case be any better than the
> broadcast analog signal?
>
> I'm currently still a happy user of ziggo digital. Even HD is working
properly.
My understanding is that with the CI+ interface ziggo is able to control
which box/card is allowed to decode the signal.
But with CI, they do not have that control. So TVs with the alphacrypt and
PC cards with such a decoder card function normally and can not be blocked
by ziggo.

Regards,

Bert

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Jul 29, 2010, 11:04 AM

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Re: recording ziggo digital tv (Netherlands) [In reply to]

Bert Haverkamp schreef:
> Hello Chris,
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Chris Rouch <chris.rouch [at] gmail
> <mailto:chris.rouch [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> I currently have analog cable, but I'd like to change to digital. My
> cable company (ziggo) uses CI+ - a slot for this is built into my TV.
> Previously they used CI, and it was possible to buy PC cards which
> could decode this and thus could be used by mythtv. It's not clear to
> me if these cards still work or if they are now blocked. Using
> satellite instead is not an option in my apartment, unfortunately.
>
> So my questions are:
>
> Is anyone using mythtv to record ziggo digital; if so, what hardware
> do you use, and do you expect it to keep working in the future?
>
I am currently experimenting with the Anysee USB DVB-C receiver but so
far I am only able to receive the unencrypted channels (WK on Nederland
1 in HD was great though apart from the fact we lost at the end haha)
The smartcard reader is not (yet) supported.

Maybe Anysee can create a driver (or even a binary blob) to get the
decoder and smartcard part running on Linux too.

You can still connect an SD Ziggo decoder to the famous Hauppauge series
cards like the PVR150 or PVR500 but you will be stuck to SD and less
quality than by storing the digital stream directly. There is an
Hauppauge HDPVR which accepts YUV signals which can be connected to a HD
decoder from Ziggo , this way you can enjoy quite good quality HD
recordings. Both solutions will require an IR blaster to set the right
channel on your decoder from Mythtv.

Gert

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