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ajayrockrock at gmail

Feb 23, 2010, 4:01 PM

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Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player?

Tried to stick as many keywords in the subject line as possible. :)

Over the weekend I started to rip some of my personal dvd's into mythtv and
playing them with the Internal player. So far so good. I rip all my movies
with the english subtitles (if available) and I was wondering if during
playback if there was a way to turn them off. I tried pressing "T" but that
had no effect.

Is it a feature lacking with the Internal player and one that can be solved
with using an external player? Am I ripping the dvd incorrectly and there's
a better way?

Thanks.

nick.rout at gmail

Feb 24, 2010, 3:25 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:
> Tried to stick as many keywords in the subject line as possible. :)
>
> Over the weekend I started to rip some of my personal dvd's into mythtv and
> playing them with the Internal player. So far so good. I rip all my movies
> with the english subtitles (if available) and I was wondering if during
> playback if there was a way to turn them off. I tried pressing "T" but that
> had no effect.
>
> Is it a feature lacking with the Internal player and one that can be solved
> with using an external player? Am I ripping the dvd incorrectly and there's
> a better way?

Have you tried the menu (m) button? It presents lots of options.
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ajayrockrock at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 10:05 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> > Tried to stick as many keywords in the subject line as possible. :)
> >
> > Over the weekend I started to rip some of my personal dvd's into mythtv
> and
> > playing them with the Internal player. So far so good. I rip all my
> movies
> > with the english subtitles (if available) and I was wondering if during
> > playback if there was a way to turn them off. I tried pressing "T" but
> that
> > had no effect.
> >
> > Is it a feature lacking with the Internal player and one that can be
> solved
> > with using an external player? Am I ripping the dvd incorrectly and
> there's
> > a better way?
>
> Have you tried the menu (m) button? It presents lots of options.
>
>
Yes, but there weren't any options that looked relevant.

The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and the
subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that there's no
way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't toggle the
subtitles.

So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you can
turn them on/off at will?

--Ajay

travis at tabbal

Feb 25, 2010, 10:24 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>wrote:

>
> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and the
> subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that there's no
> way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't toggle the
> subtitles.
>
> So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you
> can turn them on/off at will?

I use MakeMKV the most lately for ripping DVDs. However, it doesn't do
transcoding. I don't bother with that as I have plenty of disk space and
with a large screen TV, any quality loss from DVD is noticeable.

What format are you transcoding to? Container type? Perhaps your chosen
container doesn't do separate subtitle streams, so the encoder adds the subs
to the picture.

raymond at wagnerrp

Feb 25, 2010, 10:57 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On 2/25/2010 13:05, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and
> the subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that
> there's no way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it
> couldn't toggle the subtitles.

Either the subtitles were on the original video, or your ripping tool
cooked them in during the transcode. If you want toggle-able subtitles
(softsubs), you either need to rip the image stream containing them, and
multiplex that into your transcoded file, or you need to run an OCR
software on the images, and include the resultant 'srt' file along with
the video file.
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Feb 25, 2010, 11:25 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

Raymond Wagner wrote:
> On 2/25/2010 13:05, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>
> (softsubs), you either need to rip the image stream containing them,
ccextractor does a wonderful job of this:
http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net

> and multiplex that into your transcoded file, or you need to run an
> OCR software on the images, and include the resultant 'srt' file along
> with the video file.

SubRip for this.

Even though it's a Windows program, it seems to do a very good job and
it runs just fine under Wine. I haven't yet found a Linux replacement
that actually works.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Encoders-Converter-DIVX-Related/SubRip.shtml

Doug

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ajayrockrock at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 1:48 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>wrote:
>
>>
>> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and the
>> subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that there's no
>> way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't toggle the
>> subtitles.
>>
>> So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you
>> can turn them on/off at will?
>
>
> I use MakeMKV the most lately for ripping DVDs. However, it doesn't do
> transcoding. I don't bother with that as I have plenty of disk space and
> with a large screen TV, any quality loss from DVD is noticeable.
>
> What format are you transcoding to? Container type? Perhaps your chosen
> container doesn't do separate subtitle streams, so the encoder adds the subs
> to the picture.
>

Umm.. I don't have access to the files right now but I'm just ripping the
dvd's with mythvideo's "import dvd" feature and on the quality setting I
select, "Good".

In my googling I found that MKV's are a great container that supports
subtitles, chapters and all that jazz. Unfortunately, ripping a dvd with
subtitles in a compressed format is not as easy as "insert disc -> rip":

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273635

And I need to compress the video as I don't want to spend several gigs of
space on a dvd library. Is there an easy way to rip dvd's to mkv's with
subtitles? (easier then the link above?)

--Ajay

nick.rout at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 2:07 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and the
>>> subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that there's no
>>> way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't toggle the
>>> subtitles.
>>>
>>> So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you
>>> can turn them on/off at will?
>>
>> I use MakeMKV the most lately for ripping DVDs. However, it doesn't do
>> transcoding. I don't bother with that as I have plenty of disk space and
>> with a large screen TV, any quality loss from DVD is noticeable.
>> What format are you transcoding to? Container type? Perhaps your chosen
>> container doesn't do separate subtitle streams, so the encoder adds the subs
>> to the picture.
>
> Umm.. I don't have access to the files right now but I'm just ripping the
> dvd's with mythvideo's "import dvd" feature and on the quality setting I
> select, "Good".
>
> In my googling I found that MKV's are a great container that supports
> subtitles, chapters and all that jazz. Unfortunately, ripping a dvd with
> subtitles in a compressed format is not as easy as "insert disc -> rip":
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273635
>
> And I need to compress the video as I don't want to spend several gigs of
> space on a dvd library. Is there an easy way to rip dvd's to mkv's with
> subtitles? (easier then the link above?)
>
> --Ajay

The main problem is that DVD subtitles are not in a friendly text
format in the way srt subtitles are. They are pictures that are
overlaid on the video stream. The need to be ocr'd to get them to a
text format.

You might like to play with muxing in subtitles from some of the
online sources, google for opensubtitle. I am not sure of their
legality, if I have suggested something that is against the list rules
I apologise in advance for the caning that will follow...
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travis at tabbal

Feb 25, 2010, 2:45 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and the
>>> subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that there's no
>>> way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't toggle the
>>> subtitles.
>>>
>>> So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you
>>> can turn them on/off at will?
>>
>>
>> I use MakeMKV the most lately for ripping DVDs. However, it doesn't do
>> transcoding. I don't bother with that as I have plenty of disk space and
>> with a large screen TV, any quality loss from DVD is noticeable.
>>
>> What format are you transcoding to? Container type? Perhaps your chosen
>> container doesn't do separate subtitle streams, so the encoder adds the subs
>> to the picture.
>>
>
> Umm.. I don't have access to the files right now but I'm just ripping the
> dvd's with mythvideo's "import dvd" feature and on the quality setting I
> select, "Good".
>
> In my googling I found that MKV's are a great container that supports
> subtitles, chapters and all that jazz. Unfortunately, ripping a dvd with
> subtitles in a compressed format is not as easy as "insert disc -> rip":
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273635
>
> And I need to compress the video as I don't want to spend several gigs of
> space on a dvd library. Is there an easy way to rip dvd's to mkv's with
> subtitles? (easier then the link above?)
>

You could try MakeMKV then using Handbrake on the resulting file to shrink
it. I have no idea how well that might or might not work. But I can see the
subtitle tracks in my MakeMKV files way. I don't remember if I've tried to
display them in Myth or not. I'll try to test that.

The short answer is probably no, there is no simple method to rip, compress,
and merge the subtitles in. Most of the MKV files I get with this method end
up in the 5G range. Is that really too big? 1TB drives are cheap these days,
just add RAID. :)

nick.rout at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 3:23 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that I'm ripping the videos, transcoding them down and
>>>> the subtitles are "on" the video. Like they're not separated so that
>>>> there's no way to toggle them. I checked in mplayer and even it couldn't
>>>> toggle the subtitles.
>>>>
>>>> So the question becomes, how es one rip videos and subtitles so that you
>>>> can turn them on/off at will?
>>>
>>> I use MakeMKV the most lately for ripping DVDs. However, it doesn't do
>>> transcoding. I don't bother with that as I have plenty of disk space and
>>> with a large screen TV, any quality loss from DVD is noticeable.
>>> What format are you transcoding to? Container type? Perhaps your chosen
>>> container doesn't do separate subtitle streams, so the encoder adds the subs
>>> to the picture.
>>
>> Umm.. I don't have access to the files right now but I'm just ripping
>> the dvd's with mythvideo's "import dvd" feature and on the quality setting I
>> select, "Good".
>>
>> In my googling I found that MKV's are a great container that supports
>> subtitles, chapters and all that jazz. Unfortunately, ripping a dvd with
>> subtitles in a compressed format is not as easy as "insert disc -> rip":
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273635
>>
>> And I need to compress the video as I don't want to spend several gigs of
>> space on a dvd library. Is there an easy way to rip dvd's to mkv's with
>> subtitles? (easier then the link above?)
>
> You could try MakeMKV then using Handbrake on the resulting file to shrink
> it. I have no idea how well that might or might not work. But I can see the
> subtitle tracks in my MakeMKV files way. I don't remember if I've tried to
> display them in Myth or not. I'll try to test that.
> The short answer is probably no, there is no simple method to rip, compress,
> and merge the subtitles in. Most of the MKV files I get with this method end
> up in the 5G range. Is that really too big? 1TB drives are cheap these days,
> just add RAID. :)

Thats cos makemkv doesn't compress at all, just repackages. The other
thing to watch is that makemkv is proprietary and will probably not
always be gratis.

But yes makemkv plus handbrake or avidemux would probably work, and
can be scripted. The script could be attached to a button in a menu
file.

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ajayrockrock at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 4:40 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:

> You could try MakeMKV then using Handbrake on the resulting file to shrink
> it. I have no idea how well that might or might not work. But I can see the
> subtitle tracks in my MakeMKV files way. I don't remember if I've tried to
> display them in Myth or not. I'll try to test that.
>
> The short answer is probably no, there is no simple method to rip,
> compress, and merge the subtitles in. Most of the MKV files I get with this
> method end up in the 5G range. Is that really too big? 1TB drives are cheap
> these days, just add RAID. :)
>

Bah, you're probably right. I should just grab a pristine copy of the DVD
with makemkv. If I'm spending the time to rip DVD's I might as well get the
best copy possible and then worry about disk space later.

Can you please test the subtitle support in myth's internal player?

Thanks,
Ajay

nick.rout at gmail

Feb 25, 2010, 5:25 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Travis Tabbal <travis [at] tabbal> wrote:
>>
>> You could try MakeMKV then using Handbrake on the resulting file to shrink
>> it. I have no idea how well that might or might not work. But I can see the
>> subtitle tracks in my MakeMKV files way. I don't remember if I've tried to
>> display them in Myth or not. I'll try to test that.
>> The short answer is probably no, there is no simple method to rip,
>> compress, and merge the subtitles in. Most of the MKV files I get with this
>> method end up in the 5G range. Is that really too big? 1TB drives are cheap
>> these days, just add RAID. :)
>
> Bah, you're probably right. I should just grab a pristine copy of the DVD
> with makemkv. If I'm spending the time to rip DVD's I might as well get the
> best copy possible and then worry about disk space later.

IMHO you can get *for all practical purposes* as good a copy using
h.264 and a decent bitrate.

>
> Can you please test the subtitle support in myth's internal player?
>

I must try this myself and let you know how it goes.
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techiem2 at techiem2

Feb 25, 2010, 5:51 PM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

>>
>> Can you please test the subtitle support in myth's internal player?
>>
>
> I must try this myself and let you know how it goes.

I just tested one of my rips.
I'm using handbrake to encode to h.264 mkv with multiple audio and
subtitle tracks (I believe I posted my settings before on the list).

Both audio tracks and subtitle tracks work fine using the internal
player, although I don't like the positioning of the subtitles, but
that can probably be changed somewhere.

Mark II

--
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http://www.techiem2.net

travis at tabbal

Feb 26, 2010, 8:07 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajayrockrock [at] gmail> wrote:

>
>
> Bah, you're probably right. I should just grab a pristine copy of the DVD
> with makemkv. If I'm spending the time to rip DVD's I might as well get the
> best copy possible and then worry about disk space later.
>
> Can you please test the subtitle support in myth's internal player?
>

I tested one last night. The subs were detected, including what language
they were for, and I could display them with the internal player. They show
up in the middle of the picture though, is there a setting somewhere to
change this? I would like them at the bottom, preferably in the letterbox. I
didn't have time to browse through the settings, I'm sure there's something
in there though.

As for MakeMKV being proprietary, yes, it is. And they might charge for it
in the future. If it's reasonable, I will buy it. I have yet to use another
program, free or not, that works nearly as well. If it's not reasonable,
I'll have to find a new way of doing this I suppose. Handbrake has also
treated me well in the past, and I think it has options to keep the streams
without transcoding. I know it does for audio at least.

ajayrockrock at gmail

Feb 26, 2010, 10:42 AM

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Re: Ripping DVD w/subtitles, Can I toggle them with the Internal Player? [In reply to]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Mark D. Montgomery II <
techiem2 [at] techiem2> wrote:

> This message is in MIME format.
>
> Can you please test the subtitle support in myth's internal player?
>>>
>>
>> I must try this myself and let you know how it goes.
>>
>
> I just tested one of my rips.
> I'm using handbrake to encode to h.264 mkv with multiple audio and subtitle
> tracks (I believe I posted my settings before on the list).
>
> Both audio tracks and subtitle tracks work fine using the internal player,
> although I don't like the positioning of the subtitles, but that can
> probably be changed somewhere.
>

I found your previous posting with your settings. Are you using handbrake
in linux or windows? I only have linux boxes so I tried makemkv in wine
last night and it didn't work. Then I tried it in a virtualbox with windows
and that was a no-go either (yes, I enabled pass-thru on the optical drive).

So I think I'm going to give handbrake another attempt.

Thanks for testing this out!

--Ajay

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