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mythusers at freakzilla

Feb 22, 2010, 9:55 PM

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Disabling the internal player

Hi there!

Ok, I've been using mythtv for many many years, but I've never used it for
live tv/tv recording until a week or two ago.

In that time I've got very very used to using my own player for videos...
and frankly I don't like the internal player. I've not seen an option to
disable it or use a custom player for "Watch Recordings" anywhere. Is that
even doable?

If not, plan B is that recordings go into the video tree, so I can watch
them from there, but I'd rather not have to do that!

-Yaron

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Feb 22, 2010, 10:17 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Yaron <mythusers [at] freakzilla> wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> Ok, I've been using mythtv for many many years, but I've never used it for
> live tv/tv recording until a week or two ago.
>
> In that time I've got very very used to using my own player for videos...
> and frankly I don't like the internal player. I've not seen an option to
> disable it or use a custom player for "Watch Recordings" anywhere. Is that
> even doable?
>
> If not, plan B is that recordings go into the video tree, so I can watch
> them from there, but I'd rather not have to do that!

Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
player that annoys you? I mean, for watching recordings, 99% of the
time you're not interacting with it, except for hitting skip to jump
the commercial breaks.

I'm really not sure where the room for user preference lies in that
simple relationship.

- Chris
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Feb 22, 2010, 10:24 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

Hi there,

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Christopher Kerr wrote:

> Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
> player that annoys you?

Oh it doesn't annoy me. I just don't like it - mostly because it's not the
player I've been using forever. I like consistency. I'm not just talking
about using it with MythTV - I've been using the same player everywhere
for ages. And still do on some machines without a remote control, and I
like that the 'keys' have the same function.

-Yaron

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Feb 23, 2010, 9:13 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 02/23/2010 01:24 AM, mythusers wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Christopher Kerr wrote:
>
>> Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
>> player that annoys you?
>
> Oh it doesn't annoy me. I just don't like it - mostly because it's not
> the player I've been using forever. I like consistency. I'm not just
> talking about using it with MythTV - I've been using the same player
> everywhere for ages. And still do on some machines without a remote
> control, and I like that the 'keys' have the same function.

As Chris implied, the Internal player is designed to give you full
access to /all/ capabilities of MythTV--ones which you'll be lacking if
you use any other player. With the Internal player, you have commercial
skipping, OSD (including recording metadata, commercial skip
information, Menu, ...), timestretch, ability to schedule a recording
when you happen to see a commercial for a new show airing during the
show you're watching, bookmarks, ...

As far as the "keys" go, Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys.

If you want a DVR that allows you to choose the player, then don't use
MythTV: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ . MythTV is designed as a
completely integrated DVR. Freevo is a DVR that integrates a bunch of
standalone programs, allowing you to choose which ones you use. This
design facet of MythTV will not change, so if you feel it's the wrong
approach, MythTV is not the program for you.

Mike
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Feb 23, 2010, 9:39 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Michael T. Dean wrote:

> This design facet of MythTV will not change, so if you feel it's the
> wrong approach, MythTV is not the program for you.

Hey, I'm just stating a personal preference. Not demanding that MythTV
change their approach for my own sake.

And in actual fact, as I mentioned, I do have a Plan B. I use myth's
renaming utility to link the new recordings into the video tree, and just
use Play Videos to watch them. Totally doable.

I've been using mythtv for years and years. I've never used it as a DVR -
never needed to. I had a DVR. MythTV was originally a music player, and
then YEARS later a video player. I couldn't use the internal player at the
time because it didn't yet support the formats I was using! So I got used
to my own thing. And that's what I'd prefer to use. And MythTV is flexible
enough to let me do it!

-Yaron

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jedi at mishnet

Feb 23, 2010, 10:48 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:13:18PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 01:24 AM, mythusers wrote:
> >On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Christopher Kerr wrote:
> >
> >>Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
> >>player that annoys you?
> >
> >Oh it doesn't annoy me. I just don't like it - mostly because it's
> >not the player I've been using forever. I like consistency. I'm
> >not just talking about using it with MythTV - I've been using the
> >same player everywhere for ages. And still do on some machines
> >without a remote control, and I like that the 'keys' have the same
> >function.
>
> As Chris implied, the Internal player is designed to give you full
> access to /all/ capabilities of MythTV--ones which you'll be lacking
> if you use any other player. With the Internal player, you have
> commercial skipping, OSD (including recording metadata, commercial
> skip information, Menu, ...), timestretch, ability to schedule a
> recording when you happen to see a commercial for a new show airing
> during the show you're watching, bookmarks, ...
>
> As far as the "keys" go, Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys.
>
> If you want a DVR that allows you to choose the player, then don't
> use MythTV: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ . MythTV is designed as

Until the internal player can play everything that the standalone
players can with all of the features enabled (like subtitles or CCs)
then this issue will keep coming up. Using an external player is a
practical necessity at this point. That tends to cause user confusion.

> a completely integrated DVR. Freevo is a DVR that integrates a
> bunch of standalone programs, allowing you to choose which ones you
> use. This design facet of MythTV will not change, so if you feel
> it's the wrong approach, MythTV is not the program for you.

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Feb 23, 2010, 11:37 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 02/23/2010 01:48 PM, jedi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:13:18PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> On 02/23/2010 01:24 AM, mythusers wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Christopher Kerr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
>>>> player that annoys you?
>>>>
>>> Oh it doesn't annoy me. I just don't like it - mostly because it's
>>> not the player I've been using forever. I like consistency. I'm
>>> not just talking about using it with MythTV - I've been using the
>>> same player everywhere for ages. And still do on some machines
>>> without a remote control, and I like that the 'keys' have the same
>>> function.
>>>
>> As Chris implied, the Internal player is designed to give you full
>> access to /all/ capabilities of MythTV--ones which you'll be lacking
>> if you use any other player. With the Internal player, you have
>> commercial skipping, OSD (including recording metadata, commercial
>> skip information, Menu, ...), timestretch, ability to schedule a
>> recording when you happen to see a commercial for a new show airing
>> during the show you're watching, bookmarks, ...
>>
>> As far as the "keys" go, Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys.
>>
>> If you want a DVR that allows you to choose the player, then don't
>> use MythTV: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ . MythTV is designed as
>>
> Until the internal player can play everything that the standalone
> players can with all of the features enabled (like subtitles or CCs)
> then this issue will keep coming up. Using an external player is a
> practical necessity at this point. That tends to cause user confusion.
>

He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. The Internal
player works better for them than any external player.

Mike
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mythusers at freakzilla

Feb 23, 2010, 11:44 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Michael T. Dean wrote:

> He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. The Internal player
> works better for them than any external player.

And I'm talking about personal preference.

Also, what if I like transcoding the TV shows into a format the internal
player doesn't like?

As I've said, I DO have a solution that uses my own player, so no worries.
It'd just be slightly more convenient to be able to tell MythTV to use my
player for everything, since the recording MANAGEMENT side is really good.

-Yaron

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jedi at mishnet

Feb 23, 2010, 11:54 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 02:37:45PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 01:48 PM, jedi wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:13:18PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> >>On 02/23/2010 01:24 AM, mythusers wrote:
> >>>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Christopher Kerr wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Not possible as far as I know, but what is it about the internal
> >>>>player that annoys you?
> >>>Oh it doesn't annoy me. I just don't like it - mostly because it's
> >>>not the player I've been using forever. I like consistency. I'm
> >>>not just talking about using it with MythTV - I've been using the
> >>>same player everywhere for ages. And still do on some machines
> >>>without a remote control, and I like that the 'keys' have the same
> >>>function.
> >>As Chris implied, the Internal player is designed to give you full
> >>access to /all/ capabilities of MythTV--ones which you'll be lacking
> >>if you use any other player. With the Internal player, you have
> >>commercial skipping, OSD (including recording metadata, commercial
> >>skip information, Menu, ...), timestretch, ability to schedule a
> >>recording when you happen to see a commercial for a new show airing
> >>during the show you're watching, bookmarks, ...
> >>
> >>As far as the "keys" go, Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys.
> >>
> >>If you want a DVR that allows you to choose the player, then don't
> >>use MythTV: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ . MythTV is designed as
> > Until the internal player can play everything that the standalone
> >players can with all of the features enabled (like subtitles or CCs)
> >then this issue will keep coming up. Using an external player is a
> >practical necessity at this point. That tends to cause user confusion.
>
> He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. The Internal
> player works better for them than any external player.

Well now that you put it like that you've reminded me that the internal
player has major problems with defects in recordings. Quite frequently I have
OTA recordings that have a little bit of "digital snow". These tend to crash
the internal player pretty much immediately. My external players are all much
more able to deal with those sorts of flawed recordings.

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Feb 23, 2010, 11:55 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Yaron <mythusers [at] freakzilla> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
> He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. The Internal player
>> works better for them than any external player.
>>
>
> And I'm talking about personal preference.
>
> Also, what if I like transcoding the TV shows into a format the internal
> player doesn't like?
>
> As I've said, I DO have a solution that uses my own player, so no worries.
> It'd just be slightly more convenient to be able to tell MythTV to use my
> player for everything, since the recording MANAGEMENT side is really good.
>

There's nothing stopping you, or anyone, from adding a simple "Play using
external player" option to the MENU on a recording and launching an external
player with the filename of the recording. It's probably a less than 10
line change to MythTV and could easily be kept in your local patches.
That's the beauty of open source. I think the main branch of MythTV has
been pretty clearly geared towards using the Internal player such that any
effort would be put into making it more compatible with all recordings and
transcodes rather than putting effort into avoiding it.

Kevin

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Feb 23, 2010, 11:57 AM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:54 PM, jedi <jedi [at] mishnet> wrote:

>
> Well now that you put it like that you've reminded me that the internal
> player has major problems with defects in recordings. Quite frequently I
> have
> OTA recordings that have a little bit of "digital snow". These tend to
> crash
> the internal player pretty much immediately. My external players are all
> much
> more able to deal with those sorts of flawed recordings.
>

And the solution here is to follow the instructions on the mythtv.org site
on how to build a debug build of MythTV to submit a backtrace of the
segfault when it occurs using GDB. The tools are all in front of us to fix
these issues if people want to take the effort.

Kevin

mythusers at freakzilla

Feb 23, 2010, 12:26 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Kevin Kuphal wrote:

> There's nothing stopping you, or anyone, from adding a simple "Play using
> external player" option to the MENU on a
...
> That's the beauty of open source.

No, that's the PROBLEM with Open Source.

For 90% of the population, "Fix The Source Code" is NOT a solution. And
this is coming form someone who HAS in the past hacked his own patches
into MythTV (as well as many other open source programs).

When you give this kind of answer, you're implying that people shouldn't
bother asking questions and should just fix stuff themselves and quit
bothering people. That's how you lose users and acceptance.

Note that I asked if there is a way to do something fairly simple and
OFFERED A WORKAROUND IF THERE IS NOT. My workaround is about a million
times easier than patching MythTV.

Open source is a WONDERFUL thing, but the days when "Open Source" meant
you have to download and compile a program yourself are LONG gone. My
current MythTV master backend was installed using apt-get. My current
frontend is a Mythbuntu box so I didn't even have to do THAT. Why on EARTH
would I want to start fiddling with code on something I don't really have
to? I've got plenty of other projects occupying my time... and I'd like to
be able to listen to music/watch TV while I do them!

-Yaron

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Feb 23, 2010, 12:39 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Yaron <mythusers [at] freakzilla> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>
> There's nothing stopping you, or anyone, from adding a simple "Play using
>> external player" option to the MENU on a
>>
> ...
>
> That's the beauty of open source.
>>
>
>
> No, that's the PROBLEM with Open Source.
>
> For 90% of the population, "Fix The Source Code" is NOT a solution. And
> this is coming form someone who HAS in the past hacked his own patches into
> MythTV (as well as many other open source programs).
>
> When you give this kind of answer, you're implying that people shouldn't
> bother asking questions and should just fix stuff themselves and quit
> bothering people. That's how you lose users and acceptance.
>

You had that answer with the first reply from what I gather. The rest is a
continued discussion about why the answer wasn't good enough. I was simply
offering up the other alternative that if this is an issue that will keep
coming up over and over again (as indicated by some in this thread) that a
simple patch that could relatively easily be maintained across revisions
could easily be made. If it is such a pain point for so many people, it
seems logical that someone would be able to produce such a fix. If not,
then your workaround and the others suggested here would have to be good
enough.

BTW, you would have no options such as these using non open source products.

Kevin

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Feb 23, 2010, 1:07 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Yaron <mythusers [at] freakzilla> wrote:
> When you give this kind of answer, you're implying that people shouldn't
> bother asking questions and should just fix stuff themselves and quit
> bothering people. That's how you lose users and acceptance.

You seem to be suggesting that not losing users and acceptance is some
sort of goal the developers have. I think they have been pretty clear
since day one - they are building something that they find useful, and
you're welcome to use the software if you like and improve it if
something bothers you. They are not a business, and notions such as
"growing the user base" have never been a stated goal.

Unless you're cutting them a check, nobody is really in a position to
decide for the developers what they should be working on. They will
continue to work on the areas that interest them, and if there is
something that bothers you or interests you, then feel free to
contribute patches.

It's not a "problem with open source". They are developers who are
working on something that interests them and sharing their work. Open
source does not mean "free slave labor to do whatever I think is
important".

The upside is that if it *really* matters to you then you are
empowered to fix it yourself or pay someone else to do the work (which
is something you usually cannot do with closed source).

Devin

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Feb 23, 2010, 1:28 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 02/23/2010 03:26 PM, Yaron wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>> There's nothing stopping you, or anyone, from adding a simple "Play
>> using
>> external player" option to the MENU on a
> ...
>> That's the beauty of open source.
> No, that's the PROBLEM with Open Source.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-media-center/get-started/default.aspx

Mike (who agrees strongly with Kevin and Devin that this is, in fact, a
strength of open source :)
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Feb 23, 2010, 1:39 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Yaron <mythusers [at] freakzilla> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>
>> There's nothing stopping you, or anyone, from adding a simple "Play using
>> external player" option to the MENU on a
>
> ...
>>
>> That's the beauty of open source.
>
>
> No, that's the PROBLEM with Open Source.
>
> For 90% of the population, "Fix The Source Code" is NOT a solution. And this
> is coming form someone who HAS in the past hacked his own patches into
> MythTV (as well as many other open source programs).
>
> When you give this kind of answer, you're implying that people shouldn't
> bother asking questions and should just fix stuff themselves and quit
> bothering people. That's how you lose users and acceptance.
>
> Note that I asked if there is a way to do something fairly simple and
> OFFERED A WORKAROUND IF THERE IS NOT. My workaround is about a million times
> easier than patching MythTV.
>
> Open source is a WONDERFUL thing, but the days when "Open Source" meant you
> have to download and compile a program yourself are LONG gone. My current
> MythTV master backend was installed using apt-get. My current frontend is a
> Mythbuntu box so I didn't even have to do THAT. Why on EARTH would I want to
> start fiddling with code on something I don't really have to? I've got
> plenty of other projects occupying my time... and I'd like to be able to
> listen to music/watch TV while I do them!

OK then plain answer to your first question:

1. You cannot use anything other than Internal for recordings, unless
you do it yourself as a patch and then recompile as suggested by
another poster.

2. You can do what you suggested and symlink using mythrename into the
videos tree and watch using whatever player you want from mythvideo.

3. As a bonus, there are probably scripts available by searching the
archives or the wiki or google that will put the recording metadata
into the mythvideo tables to enhance your experience.

4. as an aside you may appreciate Internal more if you use it a bit
more. I used to prefer mplayer too, but now I am not so sure.

5. As a further aside you could use xbmc and one of its myth linkins
to provide the same interface for your whole "front end".
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Feb 23, 2010, 1:41 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 2/23/2010 14:44, Yaron wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. The Internal
>> player works better for them than any external player.
>
> And I'm talking about personal preference.

Recordings use a number of features that will only exist in a dedicated
application. It has to support management of livetv sessions. It has to
support files of changing length. It has to support playback of content
streamed over myth protocol. It should support pulling of metadata from
the database. It should support editing of the cutpoints for commercial
clipping. It should support reading of skiplists for commercial skipping.

Supporting an external player would be anything but a trivial exercise.
By the time you get done adding all this stuff into your player of
choice, and making the proper changes to mythfrontend to allow the two
to interface properly, it would have been far easier to simply fix
playback of whatever files are giving you troubles in the internal player.

Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and
allowing remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in
the removal of external player support.
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Feb 23, 2010, 1:42 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Raymond Wagner <raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
> On 2/23/2010 14:44, Yaron wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>>
>>> He's talking about TV /recordings/ not random videos. �The Internal
>>> player works better for them than any external player.
>>
>> And I'm talking about personal preference.
>
> Recordings use a number of features that will only exist in a dedicated
> application. It has to support management of livetv sessions. It has to
> support files of changing length. It has to support playback of content
> streamed over myth protocol. It should support pulling of metadata from the
> database. It should support editing of the cutpoints for commercial
> clipping. It should support reading of skiplists for commercial skipping.
>
> Supporting an external player would be anything but a trivial exercise. By
> the time you get done adding all this stuff into your player of choice, and
> making the proper changes to mythfrontend to allow the two to interface
> properly, it would have been far easier to simply fix playback of whatever
> files are giving you troubles in the internal player.
>
> Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and allowing
> remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in the removal
> of external player support.

That would be a shame, but that's another thread.
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eric at lisaneric

Feb 23, 2010, 1:55 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Raymond Wagner <raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
> Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and allowing
> remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in the removal
> of external player support.

But then the internal player really would need to support all random
video formats. Are you sure that's a good idea?

At the moment I'm using the internal player for everything except for
BluRay rips, where the internal player just isn't quite up to it yet.

Eric
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Feb 23, 2010, 2:18 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 02/23/2010 04:55 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Raymond Wagner<raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
>
>> Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and allowing
>> remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in the removal
>> of external player support.
>>
> But then the internal player really would need to support all random
> video formats. Are you sure that's a good idea?
>
> At the moment I'm using the internal player for everything except for
> BluRay rips, where the internal player just isn't quite up to it yet.
>

If we leave external players enabled, then no one ever reports
bugs--because they only use external players.

Besides (as Raymond mentioned), xine, mplayer, vlc, ... don't speak
mythproto.

Mike
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eric at lisaneric

Feb 23, 2010, 2:26 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Michael T. Dean
<mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
> If we leave external players enabled, then no one ever reports bugs--because
> they only use external players.

Are these bug reports actively wanted? Any time I get a video that
mplayer plays flawlessly but the internal player can't handle you want
a new bug filed?

Eric
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raymond at wagnerrp

Feb 23, 2010, 2:37 PM

Post #22 of 51 (1641 views)
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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On 2/23/2010 17:26, Eric Sharkey wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Michael T. Dean
> <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
>
>> If we leave external players enabled, then no one ever reports bugs--because
>> they only use external players.
>>
> Are these bug reports actively wanted? Any time I get a video that
> mplayer plays flawlessly but the internal player can't handle you want
> a new bug filed?
>

Assuming it is not a known deficiency, and a related bug isn't already
filed, yes. If the only reason to use external players is because files
don't work with the internal, the only way to change that is to let the
proper people know so they can fix it. You probably should hold off
until 0.23 is released and test against that before reporting anything.
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eric at lisaneric

Feb 23, 2010, 2:41 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Raymond Wagner <raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
>You probably should hold off until
> 0.23 is released and test against that before reporting anything.

Ok. External player support will continue to work with 0.23?

Eric
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jedi at mishnet

Feb 23, 2010, 2:49 PM

Post #24 of 51 (1641 views)
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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 05:18:44PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 02/23/2010 04:55 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Raymond Wagner<raymond [at] wagnerrp> wrote:
> >>Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and allowing
> >>remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in the removal
> >>of external player support.
> >But then the internal player really would need to support all random
> >video formats. Are you sure that's a good idea?
> >
> >At the moment I'm using the internal player for everything except for
> >BluRay rips, where the internal player just isn't quite up to it yet.
>
> If we leave external players enabled, then no one ever reports
> bugs--because they only use external players.

No one reports bugs because they get the "where's your patch" attitude.

>
> Besides (as Raymond mentioned), xine, mplayer, vlc, ... don't speak
> mythproto.
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jppoet at gmail

Feb 23, 2010, 2:51 PM

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Re: Disabling the internal player [In reply to]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:49 PM, jedi <jedi [at] mishnet> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 05:18:44PM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>> On 02/23/2010 04:55 PM, Eric Sharkey wrote:
>> >On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Raymond Wagner<raymond [at] wagnerrp> �wrote:
>> >>Just a heads up, the shift in MythVideo to using storage groups and allowing
>> >>remote access rather than relying on NFS, will likely result in the removal
>> >>of external player support.
>> >But then the internal player really would need to support all random
>> >video formats. �Are you sure that's a good idea?
>> >
>> >At the moment I'm using the internal player for everything except for
>> >BluRay rips, where the internal player just isn't quite up to it yet.
>>
>> If we leave external players enabled, then no one ever reports
>> bugs--because they only use external players.
>
> � No one reports bugs because they get the "where's your patch" attitude.

That is not true. Bug reports with all the information needed to find
the bug, are welcome.

The "where's your patch" "attitude" comes from feature requests.

John
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