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foceni at gmail

Jan 17, 2010, 4:00 AM

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Hello to you all.

I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support CAM
menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way since
those dark days. There must have been people actually testing this code,
I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some experience to
step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want to settle for
less - MythTV is the best in this area.

However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by Linux
and my impression is that those which work are incompatible with MythTV.
I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists and it seems to
me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced to turn to the
"dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam setups. After
that, nobody will respond to their questions, because such discussions
are forbidden here. I conclude that there are basically two options -
watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all sympathy and support,
which is impractical to say the least. :)

I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal and
without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code shows
there have been some development in this area and there were people with
some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This means there really
is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the majority of people here
against softcams, there must be many users with HW CAM cards. I don't
think people would have gone all the way to polish (rather complicated)
MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.

My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through, how
you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way. Everything
to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really hope to collect
some hard-to-get information and put it up on the MythTV wiki for other
people like me. Please, do let me know.

Thank you,
David Kubicek
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fairlane at springcom

Jan 17, 2010, 5:09 AM

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Re: HW CAMs, CI support, legal subscription viewing (DVB-S2) [In reply to]

David Kubicek wrote:
> Hello to you all.
>
> I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
> about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
> Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
> looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support CAM
> menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way since
> those dark days. There must have been people actually testing this
> code, I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some
> experience to step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want
> to settle for less - MythTV is the best in this area.
>
> However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by
> Linux and my impression is that those which work are incompatible with
> MythTV. I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists and it
> seems to me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced to turn
> to the "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam setups.
> After that, nobody will respond to their questions, because such
> discussions are forbidden here. I conclude that there are basically
> two options - watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all sympathy
> and support, which is impractical to say the least. :)
>
> I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
> MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal
> and without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code
> shows there have been some development in this area and there were
> people with some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This means
> there really is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the majority
> of people here against softcams, there must be many users with HW CAM
> cards. I don't think people would have gone all the way to polish
> (rather complicated) MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
>
> My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through, how
> you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way.
> Everything to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really hope
> to collect some hard-to-get information and put it up on the MythTV
> wiki for other people like me. Please, do let me know.
>
> Thank you,
> David Kubicek
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You'll get no help here. Go here: dvbn.happysat.org. Keep this stuff
off list.
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dag at newtech

Jan 17, 2010, 5:26 AM

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söndag 17 januari 2010 15:09:07 skrev Mark:
> David Kubicek wrote:
> > Hello to you all.
> >
> > I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
> > about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
> > Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
> > looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support CAM
> > menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way since
> > those dark days. There must have been people actually testing this
> > code, I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some
> > experience to step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want
> > to settle for less - MythTV is the best in this area.
> >
> > However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by
> > Linux and my impression is that those which work are incompatible with
> > MythTV. I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists and it
> > seems to me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced to turn
> > to the "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam setups.
> > After that, nobody will respond to their questions, because such
> > discussions are forbidden here. I conclude that there are basically
> > two options - watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all sympathy
> > and support, which is impractical to say the least. :)
> >
> > I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
> > MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal
> > and without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code
> > shows there have been some development in this area and there were
> > people with some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This means
> > there really is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the majority
> > of people here against softcams, there must be many users with HW CAM
> > cards. I don't think people would have gone all the way to polish
> > (rather complicated) MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
> >
> > My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through, how
> > you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way.
> > Everything to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really hope
> > to collect some hard-to-get information and put it up on the MythTV
> > wiki for other people like me. Please, do let me know.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > David Kubicek

>
> You'll get no help here. Go here: dvbn.happysat.org. Keep this stuff
> off list.

SIgh...

Dag
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Jan 17, 2010, 5:51 AM

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Re: HW CAMs, CI support, legal subscription viewing (DVB-S2) [In reply to]

On 01/17/2010 08:09 AM, Mark wrote:
> David Kubicek wrote:
>> Hello to you all.
>>
>> I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
>> about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
>> Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
>> looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support
>> CAM menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way
>> since those dark days. There must have been people actually testing
>> this code, I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some
>> experience to step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want
>> to settle for less - MythTV is the best in this area.
>>
>> However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by
>> Linux and my impression is that those which work are incompatible
>> with MythTV. I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists
>> and it seems to me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced
>> to turn to the "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam
>> setups. After that, nobody will respond to their questions, because
>> such discussions are forbidden here. I conclude that there are
>> basically two options - watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all
>> sympathy and support, which is impractical to say the least. :)
>>
>> I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
>> MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal
>> and without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code
>> shows there have been some development in this area and there were
>> people with some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This
>> means there really is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the
>> majority of people here against softcams, there must be many users
>> with HW CAM cards. I don't think people would have gone all the way
>> to polish (rather complicated) MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
>>
>> My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through,
>> how you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way.
>> Everything to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really
>> hope to collect some hard-to-get information and put it up on the
>> MythTV wiki for other people like me. Please, do let me know.
> You'll get no help here. Go here: dvbn.happysat.org. Keep this
> stuff off list.

Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
access protections.

As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).

Mike

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fairlane at springcom

Jan 17, 2010, 6:04 AM

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Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>
> Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
> from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
> access protections.
>
> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>
> Mike
>
Legal talk would be ok, but it *always* degenerates into softcam and
other discussions surrounding
legality, fair use, etc. We've all seen this for years. I was just
trying to head it off at the pass.
I for one would LOVE to see a cam card for my Dish recievers to legally
recieve my paid for content,
but I know it will *never* happen. Perhaps he can get the information
he needs elsewhere and update the
wiki. With that said.... here we go again.....
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brucen at ksl

Jan 17, 2010, 6:15 AM

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On 18/01/10 1:04 AM, "Mark" <fairlane [at] springcom> wrote:

> Michael T. Dean wrote:
>>
>>
>> Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
>> from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
>> access protections.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>
>> Mike
>>
> Legal talk would be ok, but it *always* degenerates into softcam and
> other discussions surrounding
> legality, fair use, etc. We've all seen this for years. I was just
> trying to head it off at the pass.
> I for one would LOVE to see a cam card for my Dish recievers to legally
> recieve my paid for content,
> but I know it will *never* happen. Perhaps he can get the information
> he needs elsewhere and update the
> wiki. With that said.... here we go again.....
Boy, am I glad I never asked about *legally* getting SelectTV (satellite
only via cam/card) down here in Australia to run through Myth, guess I'll
just stick with the crap Foxtel dishes out.....

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foceni at gmail

Jan 17, 2010, 6:20 AM

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On 01/17/2010 03:04 PM, Mark wrote:
> Michael T. Dean wrote:
>>
>>
>> Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
>> from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
>> access protections.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>
>> Mike
> Legal talk would be ok, but it *always* degenerates into softcam and
> other discussions surrounding
> legality, fair use, etc. We've all seen this for years. I was just
> trying to head it off at the pass.
> I for one would LOVE to see a cam card for my Dish recievers to legally
> recieve my paid for content,
> but I know it will *never* happen. Perhaps he can get the information he
> needs elsewhere and update the
> wiki. With that said.... here we go again.....

No, no talk of softcams, I expressly asked NOT about them. :) I'm
interested how other people use HW CAMs. I think I said that clear
enough. HW CAMs are fully supported by most providers here in Europe,
you pay for everything including the HW modules, which are even sold by
most of them separately (for 3rd party STB's).

Do not start about sotfcams, I'm not interested in that and I don't want
to start a discussion about this here.

People speaking strictly against softcams either use HW CAM's or just
view FTA channels. There must be many users from the first cathegory
here, no?

Thank you.

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mikep at randomtraveller

Jan 17, 2010, 9:56 AM

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Mark wrote:
> Michael T. Dean wrote:
>>
>>
>> Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
>> from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
>> access protections.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>
>> Mike
>>
> Legal talk would be ok, but it *always* degenerates into softcam and
> other discussions surrounding
> legality, fair use, etc. We've all seen this for years. I was just
> trying to head it off at the pass.
> I for one would LOVE to see a cam card for my Dish recievers to legally
> recieve my paid for content,
> but I know it will *never* happen. Perhaps he can get the information
> he needs elsewhere and update the
> wiki. With that said.... here we go again.....
>
In parts of the world other than the US, cards and hardware to use them in a PC
are freely available - even if the software to access the hardware is often
spotty in linux. We don't have restrictions such as you have with CableCard
(thank goodness). This is a legitimate topic for discussion.

--

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johan.vanderkolk at dommel

Jan 17, 2010, 3:05 PM

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>>
>>
> In parts of the world other than the US, cards and hardware to use
> them in a PC are freely available - even if the software to access the
> hardware is often spotty in linux. We don't have restrictions such as
> you have with CableCard (thank goodness). This is a legitimate topic
> for discussion.
>
Used to have a working configuration under mythtv, using a Nexus-s with
a double CI and 1 paid subscription card. Using both cam slots, Myth did
not handle it well, so I reverted to VDR which did handle it well. Since
0.22 introduced multirec, I get loads of errors even with one CAM in
use. (Even if i keep the amount of tuners to 1 in the recording section
of the capture card in myth-setup). So I decided to retire my Nexus.
Hauppauge are now just using the USB CI, for which no support exist yet.

Although I don't like to do it (I have the CAMs and the subscription ) I
am "forced" to use an alternative solution. (still using my paid
subscription)

I am not sure if the solution for this problem should be found in
MythTv. If there is no linux driver for the USB CI from Hauppauge, there
is not much MythTv can do. MythTV relies on the drivers that are
available for the capture cards. The hauppauge USB CI would permit a
universal solution.....if there would be a generic driver for the CI box
with a kind of CI API. No driver exists at the moment

The code in Myth, supporting the use of CI's is pretty old. And I can
understand that the motivation to develop this is low in the USA, as in
the US there are some different "rules".
I can legally use my smartcard, with or without a cam in any device
that can receive satellite transmission. We only have recommended
receivers, not mandatory. I can (and did) only buy the smartcard, bought
the CAM's later.

That being said, what if someone would develop a driver for a USB CI,
independent of MythTV but on a lower layer ? Would that solve the
dilemma for the MythTv developers ?
Would Mythtv developers make use of this API, or would that be
considered illegal as well?

If I had the skills and the knowledge I would start myself, but the last
"code" I wrote was in assembly and pascal, so figure how long ago that
was :)

There are quite a few cards which do have support in the driver for CI
interfaces. To help solving this discussion it might be a good idea to
create a list of those and publish it on a wiki.
The linux-media list is also a good source of information, as well as
the v4l website. (I follow this list and still decided to buy a card
which has no CI support yet, mainly since I did not want to spend weeks
researching, and some supported cards are just not easily available)

So to start the list:
Nexus-s: DVB-S, driver supports 2 CAMs, Mythtv can only use one CAM
reliably, no Multirec capability
Hauppauge PVR4000: DVB-S2, receiver supported, multirec supported,
however needs Hauppauge USB CI module for which no linux driver is
available.

Johan

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eallaud at gmail

Jan 17, 2010, 5:06 PM

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Michael T. Dean a écrit :
> On 01/17/2010 08:09 AM, Mark wrote:
>
>> David Kubicek wrote:
>>
>>> Hello to you all.
>>>
>>> I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
>>> about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
>>> Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
>>> looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support
>>> CAM menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way
>>> since those dark days. There must have been people actually testing
>>> this code, I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some
>>> experience to step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want
>>> to settle for less - MythTV is the best in this area.
>>>
>>> However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by
>>> Linux and my impression is that those which work are incompatible
>>> with MythTV. I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists
>>> and it seems to me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced
>>> to turn to the "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam
>>> setups. After that, nobody will respond to their questions, because
>>> such discussions are forbidden here. I conclude that there are
>>> basically two options - watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all
>>> sympathy and support, which is impractical to say the least. :)
>>>
>>> I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
>>> MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal
>>> and without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code
>>> shows there have been some development in this area and there were
>>> people with some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This
>>> means there really is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the
>>> majority of people here against softcams, there must be many users
>>> with HW CAM cards. I don't think people would have gone all the way
>>> to polish (rather complicated) MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
>>>
>>> My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through,
>>> how you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way.
>>> Everything to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really
>>> hope to collect some hard-to-get information and put it up on the
>>> MythTV wiki for other people like me. Please, do let me know.
>>>
>> You'll get no help here. Go here: dvbn.happysat.org. Keep this
>> stuff off list.
>>
>
> Talk of legal hardware CAM is fine here. Just make sure it stays away
> from the softcam topic or other ways of circumventing the provider's
> access protections.
>
> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>
Well then just my 2 cents here.
Here in the French West Indies (same encryption as Canal Satellite in
mainland France) my DVB-S2 card is TT S2-3200 with CI daughter card. CAM
is astoncrypt (version number is important but I dont remember now),
which works great (it was already working with my DVB-S TT-1500) and has
worked for the last 4 years with no problem, can decode 2 streams
simultaneously.
HTH,
Bye
Manu
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eallaud at gmail

Jan 17, 2010, 5:20 PM

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Johan a écrit :
>
>>>
>>>
>> In parts of the world other than the US, cards and hardware to use
>> them in a PC are freely available - even if the software to access
>> the hardware is often spotty in linux. We don't have restrictions
>> such as you have with CableCard (thank goodness). This is a
>> legitimate topic for discussion.
>>
> Used to have a working configuration under mythtv, using a Nexus-s
> with a double CI and 1 paid subscription card. Using both cam slots,
> Myth did not handle it well, so I reverted to VDR which did handle it
> well. Since 0.22 introduced multirec, I get loads of errors even with
> one CAM in use. (Even if i keep the amount of tuners to 1 in the
> recording section of the capture card in myth-setup). So I decided to
> retire my Nexus. Hauppauge are now just using the USB CI, for which no
> support exist yet.
>
> Although I don't like to do it (I have the CAMs and the subscription )
> I am "forced" to use an alternative solution. (still using my paid
> subscription)
>
> I am not sure if the solution for this problem should be found in
> MythTv. If there is no linux driver for the USB CI from Hauppauge,
> there is not much MythTv can do. MythTV relies on the drivers that are
> available for the capture cards. The hauppauge USB CI would permit a
> universal solution.....if there would be a generic driver for the CI
> box with a kind of CI API. No driver exists at the moment
>
> The code in Myth, supporting the use of CI's is pretty old. And I can
> understand that the motivation to develop this is low in the USA, as
> in the US there are some different "rules".
> I can legally use my smartcard, with or without a cam in any device
> that can receive satellite transmission. We only have recommended
> receivers, not mandatory. I can (and did) only buy the smartcard,
> bought the CAM's later.
>
> That being said, what if someone would develop a driver for a USB CI,
> independent of MythTV but on a lower layer ? Would that solve the
> dilemma for the MythTv developers ?
> Would Mythtv developers make use of this API, or would that be
> considered illegal as well?
>
> If I had the skills and the knowledge I would start myself, but the
> last "code" I wrote was in assembly and pascal, so figure how long ago
> that was :)
>
> There are quite a few cards which do have support in the driver for CI
> interfaces. To help solving this discussion it might be a good idea to
> create a list of those and publish it on a wiki.
> The linux-media list is also a good source of information, as well as
> the v4l website. (I follow this list and still decided to buy a card
> which has no CI support yet, mainly since I did not want to spend
> weeks researching, and some supported cards are just not easily
> available)
>
> So to start the list:
> Nexus-s: DVB-S, driver supports 2 CAMs, Mythtv can only use one CAM
> reliably, no Multirec capability
> Hauppauge PVR4000: DVB-S2, receiver supported, multirec supported,
> however needs Hauppauge USB CI module for which no linux driver is
> available.
>
Well people interested in a driver for USB-CI type hardware can try to
go to the linux-media ML where someone was basically saying that if
people wanted a driver and a USB CI could be developped rapidly.
HTH
Bye
Manu
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nico at youplala

Jan 17, 2010, 8:14 PM

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On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 00:05 +0100, Johan wrote:
> Hauppauge are now just using the USB CI, for which no support exist
> yet.

There has been renewed interest on the DVB list about working on this
driver in the last couple of weeks.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Nico

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Jan 18, 2010, 12:39 AM

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Hi,

> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).

I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:

0.21:
* WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
* Alphacrypt CAM
* German SKY Subscription card
* Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card

Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two additional TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have a 2nd NOVA-CI with CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either

0.22:
* TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
* Alphacrypt CAM
* German SKY Subscription card
* Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card

Have been using this since November, also works without problems. Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the same transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.

0.22:
* TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
* ORF Cryptoworks CAM
* ORF Subscriber Card

This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and kept working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the automatic extension of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to plug the card into a standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30 minutes to reenable the subscription.

I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection there.

Bye, Martin
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jan at horde

Jan 18, 2010, 2:00 AM

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Re: HW CAMs, CI support, legal subscription viewing (DVB-S2) [In reply to]

Zitat von Martin Bene <Martin.Bene [at] icomedias>:

0.21:
* TT C-2300, DVB-C (CI on daughter card)
* Alphacrypt CAM
* German Unitymedia Subscription card

Very buggy, I finally gave up with that card. Frequencies are off,
hardware or software hacks are necessary to get it work at all,
recordings are hit and miss. Multirec works.

0.21/0.22:
* Salteco EasyWatch, DVB-C (CI on daughter card)
* Alphacrypt CAM
* German Unitymedia Subscription card

Works much better, even better with 0.22 than with 0.21. Still some
problems with certain transponders that can't be decrypted after
running a few days. A reboot fixes this. Multirec works.

> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the
> CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection
> there.

Since when are there CAM menus in MythTV? Have I missed anything?

Jan.

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Jan 18, 2010, 2:55 AM

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0.21 and 0.22:
* KNC1, dvb-c
* Cineview CI module with alphacrypt cam
* Ziggo smartcard (Netherlands)
* Ubuntu 8.10

No problems with reception or decryption. Only worries how long my alpha
cam will work now they have enabled CI+.

Gerben

Jan Schneider wrote:
> Zitat von Martin Bene <Martin.Bene [at] icomedias>:
>
> 0.21:
> * TT C-2300, DVB-C (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German Unitymedia Subscription card
>
> Very buggy, I finally gave up with that card. Frequencies are off,
> hardware or software hacks are necessary to get it work at all,
> recordings are hit and miss. Multirec works.
>
> 0.21/0.22:
> * Salteco EasyWatch, DVB-C (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German Unitymedia Subscription card
>
> Works much better, even better with 0.22 than with 0.21. Still some
> problems with certain transponders that can't be decrypted after running
> a few days. A reboot fixes this. Multirec works.
>
>> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the
>> CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection there.
>
> Since when are there CAM menus in MythTV? Have I missed anything?
>
> Jan.
>

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Jan 18, 2010, 5:02 AM

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On 01/18/2010 09:39 AM, Martin Bene wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>
> I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:
>
> 0.21:
> * WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German SKY Subscription card
> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>
> Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two additional TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have a 2nd NOVA-CI with CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either
>
> 0.22:
> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German SKY Subscription card
> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>
> Have been using this since November, also works without problems. Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the same transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.
>
> 0.22:
> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
> * ORF Cryptoworks CAM
> * ORF Subscriber Card
>
> This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and kept working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the automatic extension of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to plug the card into a standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30 minutes to reenable the subscription.

This is amazing news! :) So there are two new cards for which CI works
under current MythTV: TT-3200 (S2), WinTV-NOVA-CI (S)

Great info! Thank you *so* much! Thanks to other people who reported
their setups and tips. Please, keep 'em coming - as many details as
possible.

Regarding AU (updates), what do you think might be the problem? The CAM
or the card? Since the 2nd setup has the same card, I guess it must the
Cryptoworks CAM, right?

All my sub's are Cryptoworks, that's just typical. :) However, I think
it may be solved by a different CAM revision or FW update.

Hauppauge is great, I still have their dual-tuner dual-mpeg2-encoder
cards from the analog age. :) Their USB CI seems like just the thing
that could be very useful across different setups. It would offer an
important and unique feature - unlimited number of CAM's. Having one CAM
per card may not be enough for somebody, somebody could have several
subscriptions with just one card, etc. It would be amazing if we got
Linux support. Hauppauge traditionally enjoys a great deal of support
from Linux devs.

David
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Jan 18, 2010, 6:18 AM

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Hi,

> This is amazing news! :) So there are two new cards for which CI works
> under current MythTV: TT-3200 (S2), WinTV-NOVA-CI (S)

At least for Europe I'd go for an S2 capable card when getting new equipment - all HD content here is encoded using S2 and with both German and Austrian public TV stations available in HD and a couple of HD FTA Channels available as well , it's time to actually make use of these offerings.

> Regarding AU (updates), what do you think might be the problem? The CAM
> or the card? Since the 2nd setup has the same card, I guess it must the
> Cryptoworks CAM, right?

I'm pretty sure it's my cryptoworks CAM module (was in a hurry and got the only available module at a local store).

Bye, Martin
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Jan 20, 2010, 11:10 AM

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On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:00 +0100, David Kubicek wrote:
> Hello to you all.
>
> I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
> about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
> Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
> looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support CAM
> menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way since
> those dark days. There must have been people actually testing this code,
> I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some experience to
> step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want to settle for
> less - MythTV is the best in this area.
>
> However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by Linux
> and my impression is that those which work are incompatible with MythTV.
> I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists and it seems to
> me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced to turn to the
> "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam setups. After
> that, nobody will respond to their questions, because such discussions
> are forbidden here. I conclude that there are basically two options -
> watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all sympathy and support,
> which is impractical to say the least. :)
>
> I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
> MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal and
> without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code shows
> there have been some development in this area and there were people with
> some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This means there really
> is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the majority of people here
> against softcams, there must be many users with HW CAM cards. I don't
> think people would have gone all the way to polish (rather complicated)
> MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
>
> My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through, how
> you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way. Everything
> to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really hope to collect
> some hard-to-get information and put it up on the MythTV wiki for other
> people like me. Please, do let me know.
>
> Thank you,
> David Kubicek
> _______________________________________________
OK, a bit late...

MythTV 0.22
2x Mystique CaBiX-C2, DVB-C, HDTV, CI-Connector with
2x Mystique View CI-Interface (f. 1 CAM) for PCI and/or 3.5" with
2x Alphacrypt
2x Ziggo smartcard (The Netherlands)
Fedora 11 x86_64

Very stable, works great out of the box including HD channels. Only the
HD channels are an extra subscription on top of the basic digital
channels and it seems that the enable/update codes for the smartcards
are not working so I have to regularly (every couple of weeks) put the
smartcards in my Cisco settop box to re-enable them end keep my HD
subscription working.

Jurgen

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Jan 20, 2010, 11:16 AM

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Re: HW CAMs, CI support, legal subscription viewing (DVB-S2) [In reply to]

Martin Bene wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>
>
> I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:
>
> 0.21:
> * WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German SKY Subscription card
> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>
> Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two additional TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have a 2nd NOVA-CI with CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either
>
> 0.22:
> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
> * Alphacrypt CAM
> * German SKY Subscription card
> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>
> Have been using this since November, also works without problems. Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the same transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.
>
> 0.22:
> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
> * ORF Cryptoworks CAM
> * ORF Subscriber Card
>
> This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and kept working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the automatic extension of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to plug the card into a standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30 minutes to reenable the subscription.
>
> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection there.
>
> Bye, Martin
> _______________________________________________
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> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
So far, there are just a few cards reported here that support a CI under
Linux. Even worse, most cards are from TechnoTrend, a company that went
bankrupt last year.
They have been taken over by ttgoerler, (www.ttgoerler.com) who seems to
discontinue the PC card receiver line.

Hauppauge seems to use the USB CI for all new cards.

The only working DVB-S2 card according to the replies, is the
discontinued TT 3200. (The TT-3200 was my first choice, but no local
supplier could deliver, and they stated that they could not re-stock the
card)

Johan

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Jan 20, 2010, 11:25 AM

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Johan wrote:
> Martin Bene wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>>
>>
>> I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:
>>
>> 0.21:
>> * WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>> * German SKY Subscription card
>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>
>> Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two
>> additional TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have a
>> 2nd NOVA-CI with CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either
>>
>> 0.22:
>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>> * German SKY Subscription card
>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>
>> Have been using this since November, also works without problems.
>> Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the same
>> transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.
>>
>> 0.22:
>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>> * ORF Cryptoworks CAM
>> * ORF Subscriber Card
>>
>> This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and
>> kept working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the automatic
>> extension of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to plug the
>> card into a standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30 minutes to
>> reenable the subscription.
>>
>> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the
>> CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection
>> there.
>>
>> Bye, Martin
>> _______________________________________________
>> mythtv-users mailing list
>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>
>>
> So far, there are just a few cards reported here that support a CI
> under Linux. Even worse, most cards are from TechnoTrend, a company
> that went bankrupt last year.
> They have been taken over by ttgoerler, (www.ttgoerler.com) who seems
> to discontinue the PC card receiver line.
>
> Hauppauge seems to use the USB CI for all new cards.
>
> The only working DVB-S2 card according to the replies, is the
> discontinued TT 3200. (The TT-3200 was my first choice, but no local
> supplier could deliver, and they stated that they could not re-stock
> the card)
>
> Johan
>
> Correction: TTGoerler still shows the PC card line on their webpage. I
> don't know why suppliers have re-stocking problems. Need to do some
> more research why some shops are claiming they can't (or won't restock)

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Jan 21, 2010, 5:37 AM

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2010/1/20 Johan <johan.vanderkolk [at] dommel>:
> Johan wrote:
>>
>> Martin Bene wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>>>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>>>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:
>>>
>>> 0.21:
>>> * WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
>>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>>> * German SKY Subscription card
>>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>>
>>> Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two additional
>>> TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have a 2nd NOVA-CI with
>>> CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either
>>>
>>> 0.22:
>>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>>> * German SKY Subscription card
>>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>>
>>> Have been using this since November, also works without problems.
>>> Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the same
>>> transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.
>>>
>>> 0.22:
>>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>>> * ORF Cryptoworks CAM
>>> * ORF Subscriber Card
>>>
>>> This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and kept
>>> working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the automatic extension
>>> of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to plug the card into a
>>> standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30 minutes to reenable the
>>> subscription.
>>>
>>> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the
>>> CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection there.
>>>
>>> Bye, Martin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So far, there are just a few cards reported here that support a CI under
>> Linux. Even worse, most cards are from TechnoTrend, a company that went
>> bankrupt last year.
>> They have been taken over by ttgoerler, (www.ttgoerler.com) who seems to
>> discontinue the PC card receiver line.
>>
>> Hauppauge seems to use the USB CI for all new cards.
>>
>> The only working DVB-S2 card according to the replies, is the discontinued
>> TT 3200. (The TT-3200 was my first choice, but no local supplier could
>> deliver, and they stated that they could not re-stock the card)
>>
>> Johan
>>
>> Correction: TTGoerler still shows the PC card line on their webpage. I
>> don't know why suppliers have re-stocking problems. Need to do some more
>> research why some shops are claiming they can't (or won't restock)
>

This document lists several cards supposed to work. Interesting and
good document. The document is an overview of requirements for an IPTV
head-end and mentions also MythTV.

http://www.slideshare.net/tkernen/home-brew-iptv-head-end
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Jan 22, 2010, 1:20 AM

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Zitat von Johan <johan.vanderkolk [at] dommel>:

> Martin Bene wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>> As a matter of fact, I'd very much like to see some people who have
>>> legal hardware CAM usage implemented in MythTV provide some information
>>> to help people who want to use it (and whose providers allow it).
>>>
>>
>> I've got two myth boxes with CI/CAM/Subscription cars running:
>>
>> 0.21:
>> * WinTV-NOVA-CI, DVB-S only (CI on daughter card)
>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>> * German SKY Subscription card
>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>
>> Has been up for ages and works without any problems. Has two
>> additional TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S Cards for FTA. Used to have
>> a 2nd NOVA-CI with CI/CAM, no problem with that setup either
>>
>> 0.22:
>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>> * Alphacrypt CAM
>> * German SKY Subscription card
>> * Austrian ORF channels also unlocked by SKY Card
>>
>> Have been using this since November, also works without problems.
>> Multirec with 2 Recorders works for decoding 2 streams from the
>> same transponder. Encrypted ORF1/2 HD, DVB-S2 also work.
>>
>> 0.22:
>> * TT 3200, DVB-S + DVB-S2, (CI on daughter card)
>> * ORF Cryptoworks CAM
>> * ORF Subscriber Card
>>
>> This worked after using the ORF Card in a stand-alone receiver and
>> kept working for just a few weeks in mythtv; looks like the
>> automatic extension of subscription doesn't work correctly, need to
>> plug the card into a standalone receiver every few weeks for ~ 30
>> minutes to reenable the subscription.
>>
>> I didn't try to access any CAM Menus via Mythtv - I set up the
>> CAMs/Smartcards using gnutv -cammenu and turned off pin protection
>> there.
>>
>> Bye, Martin
>> _______________________________________________
>> mythtv-users mailing list
>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>
>>
> So far, there are just a few cards reported here that support a CI
> under Linux. Even worse, most cards are from TechnoTrend, a company
> that went bankrupt last year.
> They have been taken over by ttgoerler, (www.ttgoerler.com) who
> seems to discontinue the PC card receiver line.
>
> Hauppauge seems to use the USB CI for all new cards.
>
> The only working DVB-S2 card according to the replies, is the
> discontinued TT 3200. (The TT-3200 was my first choice, but no local
> supplier could deliver, and they stated that they could not re-stock
> the card)

KNC has has a DVB-S2 card too, and their cards seem to work pretty
well on Linux, from what I read from several reports. I can't confirm
for that certain card though.

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Jan 25, 2010, 4:06 PM

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On 17/01/2010 11:00 PM, David Kubicek wrote:
> Hello to you all.
>
> I'm bringing up "the big" question - there is some general knowledge
> about some cards' CI's (mostly KNC1) working with Linux - at least
> Kaffeine, if not MythTV. Most of these reports are rather old so I
> looked into MythTV sources and current dvbcam.cpp seems to support CAM
> menus, selections, etc. I guess the developers came a long way since
> those dark days. There must have been people actually testing this code,
> I'm kindly asking these people and anybody else with some experience to
> step up and share their tips. :) Like you, I don't want to settle for
> less - MythTV is the best in this area.
>
> However, there aren't many DVB-S cards with CI slots supported by Linux
> and my impression is that those which work are incompatible with MythTV.
> I've searched and read the whole -dev and -users lists and it seems to
> me that most MythTV enthusiasts are eventually forced to turn to the
> "dark side" and end up using borderline-legal sortcam setups. After
> that, nobody will respond to their questions, because such discussions
> are forbidden here. I conclude that there are basically two options -
> watch FTA (useless) or go rogue and loose all sympathy and support,
> which is impractical to say the least. :)
>
> I'd like to prevent this happening to me. I'm going to build a new
> MythTV box and I would prefer if everything was stable, clean, legal and
> without non-documented hacks like DVB loop devices. MythTV code shows
> there have been some development in this area and there were people with
> some HW CAM's writing and testing the new code. This means there really
> is a working HW CAM for MythTV. Also, with the majority of people here
> against softcams, there must be many users with HW CAM cards. I don't
> think people would have gone all the way to polish (rather complicated)
> MythTV setups just for FTA viewing.
>
> My question, my plea is to hear from you what you've been through, how
> you ended up realizing your setup and any tips along the way. Everything
> to do with DVB-S2 (or even DVB-C) and MythTV. I really hope to collect
> some hard-to-get information and put it up on the MythTV wiki for other
> people like me. Please, do let me know.
>
Another late reply.

I had all this working about 18 months ago (have moved a couple of times
since then, and don't currently have a satellite dish, but still have
the tuner and CAM). I think I was using MythTV 0.20 at the time. From
memory once I set up the LNB properly, everything Just Worked.

I have this capture card:

# lspci -v
...
04:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video
Capture (rev 11)
Subsystem: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd VisionPlus DVB card
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at fddff000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: bttv
Kernel modules: bttv

04:02.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture
(rev 11)
Subsystem: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd VisionPlus DVB Card
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at fddfe000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: bt878
Kernel modules: bt878

I've also got an Irdeto 2 CAM. Sattelite TV (smart card) provider is
SelecTV (Australia). Even the subscription update works with no issues,
it just sat there working continuously for about 6 months. This card is
pretty old and only does DVB-S (not -S2), but that's fine for me as
SelecTV doesn't do HD yet.
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