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mikerice1969 at gmail

Jan 17, 2010, 2:28 PM

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scheduling problem: want first showing not later one

Today there was a sports event on and mythtv saw that it is on again
(at 1:00am) and decided
to record it then instead. Usually that's good but not so much for
sports since I normally want
to watch it before I learn the score.

I am currently using 0.22. I looked at my settings and "Reschedule
Higher Priorities" is not
checked. I thought this kind of behavior would be caused if this was
checked but it wasn't.
As far as I can tell lower priority recordings were made instead as
the sports event is one
of my highest priorities.

So what I'd really like to do is have my sports events record on the
first showing and not later
and have all other rules record later if needed. If that isn't
possible how do I get the scheduler
to pick the first (or highest priority) recording in general?

Any suggestions?
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kevin at familyross

Jan 17, 2010, 2:32 PM

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Re: scheduling problem: want first showing not later one [In reply to]

Michael Rice wrote:
> Today there was a sports event on and mythtv saw that it is on again
> (at 1:00am) and decided
> to record it then instead. Usually that's good but not so much for
> sports since I normally want
> to watch it before I learn the score.
>
> I am currently using 0.22. I looked at my settings and "Reschedule
> Higher Priorities" is not
> checked. I thought this kind of behavior would be caused if this was
> checked but it wasn't.
> As far as I can tell lower priority recordings were made instead as
> the sports event is one
> of my highest priorities.
>
> So what I'd really like to do is have my sports events record on the
> first showing and not later
> and have all other rules record later if needed. If that isn't
> possible how do I get the scheduler
> to pick the first (or highest priority) recording in general?
>
> Any suggestions?

Isn't there a recording rule that says something like "record new
episodes first showing only"?
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Jan 17, 2010, 11:07 PM

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Re: scheduling problem: want first showing not later one [In reply to]

On 01/17/2010 05:28 PM, Michael Rice wrote:
> Today there was a sports event on and mythtv saw that it is on again
> (at 1:00am) and decided
> to record it then instead. Usually that's good but not so much for
> sports since I normally want
> to watch it before I learn the score.
>
> I am currently using 0.22. I looked at my settings and "Reschedule
> Higher Priorities" is not
> checked. I thought this kind of behavior would be caused if this was
> checked but it wasn't.
> As far as I can tell lower priority recordings were made instead as
> the sports event is one
> of my highest priorities.
>
> So what I'd really like to do is have my sports events record on the
> first showing and not later
> and have all other rules record later if needed. If that isn't
> possible how do I get the scheduler
> to pick the first (or highest priority) recording in general?
>
> Any suggestions?
>

If in fact "Reschedule Higher Priorities" is disabled, that means that
you had a conflict at the earlier time and the sports event lost.
Therefore, had it not aired again, the sports event would not even have
been recorded. In other words, the existence of a second showing had
absolutely nothing to do with Myth's not recording the first if
"Reschedule Higher Priorities." Myth just couldn't record the things
you said you wanted and the sports event.

You can see this by going into Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded,
then finding the showing and looking at the status to see it didn't
record because of conflict.

So, the solution is to "get your priorities straight." :)

Mike


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mikerice1969 at gmail

Jan 18, 2010, 7:14 PM

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Re: scheduling problem: want first showing not later one [In reply to]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Michael T. Dean
<mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:

> If in fact "Reschedule Higher Priorities" is disabled, that means that
> you had a conflict at the earlier time and the sports event lost.
> Therefore, had it not aired again, the sports event would not even have
> been recorded.  In other words, the existence of a second showing had
> absolutely nothing to do with Myth's not recording the first if
> "Reschedule Higher Priorities."  Myth just couldn't record the things
> you said you wanted and the sports event.
>
> You can see this by going into Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded,
> then finding the showing and looking at the status to see it didn't
> record because of conflict.
>
> So, the solution is to "get your priorities straight."  :)

There was certainly no conflict. I did look in the Previously Recorded
list before I started the thread... It only said that there was a later
showing. In any case I think I understand the issue now and it is a
little more sinister.. :)

The rule's priority is 12 and that is sufficiently high that no other show
will lose... but this particular event was shown a number of times on
different channels. The channel that played the event later happened
to have a higher channel priority so it won the race.

This also happens when the first showing is in SD and it is later repeated
in HD. Since HD boosts the total priority it would be picked instead of the
first.

It looks like checking program.first > 0 will ensure that I get one of the first
recordings. So I am going to try that. I am also considering restoring all
the channel priorities to 0. I think that was added to ensure I recorded from
the HD channels since the listing data wasn't completely accurate at the time.

So the moral of the story is be careful changing channel priorities since Myth
will do exactly what it is told to do... not necessarily what you want.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Jan 18, 2010, 8:56 PM

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Re: scheduling problem: want first showing not later one [In reply to]

On 01/18/2010 10:14 PM, Michael Rice wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> If in fact "Reschedule Higher Priorities" is disabled, that means that
>> you had a conflict at the earlier time and the sports event lost.
>> Therefore, had it not aired again, the sports event would not even have
>> been recorded. In other words, the existence of a second showing had
>> absolutely nothing to do with Myth's not recording the first if
>> "Reschedule Higher Priorities." Myth just couldn't record the things
>> you said you wanted and the sports event.
>>
>> You can see this by going into Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded,
>> then finding the showing and looking at the status to see it didn't
>> record because of conflict.
>>
>> So, the solution is to "get your priorities straight." :)
>>
> There was certainly no conflict. I did look in the Previously Recorded
> list before I started the thread... It only said that there was a later
> showing. In any case I think I understand the issue now and it is a
> little more sinister.. :)
>
> The rule's priority is 12 and that is sufficiently high that no other show
> will lose... but this particular event was shown a number of times on
> different channels. The channel that played the event later happened
> to have a higher channel priority so it won the race.
>

Ah, yeah, when you change non-rule priorities, you're telling Myth to do
things you may not want it to do.

> This also happens when the first showing is in SD and it is later repeated
> in HD. Since HD boosts the total priority it would be picked instead of the
> first.
>
> It looks like checking program.first > 0 will ensure that I get one of the first
> recordings. So I am going to try that. I am also considering restoring all
> the channel priorities to 0. I think that was added to ensure I recorded from
> the HD channels since the listing data wasn't completely accurate at the time.
>
> So the moral of the story is be careful changing channel priorities since Myth
> will do exactly what it is told to do... not necessarily what you want.
>

Exactly. IMHO, you should /never/ change any priorities other than
recording rule priorities unless you've read and you understand all of
section 12 of the HOWTO.

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html

As a matter of fact, this exact idea is covered in detail in that section.

People generally change channel and input priorities thinking they're
affecting which channel or which input is preferred, but they're
actually affecting which shows are recorded.

Mike
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