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mache at creeger

Jan 8, 2010, 11:16 AM

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Silicondust Makes CableCard Announcement

Silicondust USA, INC., based in Livermore, CA,
today announced the development of their latest
addition to the HDHomeRun® product line, by
adding the First Network Attached TV tuner with
CableCARD™ Support, for PCs with Windows7 Windows
Media Center. Computer network environments
incorporating the HDHomeRun® CableCARD™ will be
able to support high-definition and other digital
TV including premium cable channels, eliminating
the need for a cable set-top box.

http://www.cocoontech.com/portal/articles/news/34-hardware/166-silicondust-announces-hdhomerun-cablecard

No mention of whether it will work with Myth.

-- Mache


mache at creeger

Jan 8, 2010, 11:19 AM

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This from the Silicondust forum

jasonl
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Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:24 am Post subject:
<http://www.silicondust.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&p=42615>
Reply with quote


----------
If the channel is flagged with copy protection it
will definitely require CableLabs-approved
software (which currently means WMC 7) to
receive. We are working with CableLabs to
determine the usability of copy-freely channels in alternative programs.

-- Mache

At 11:16 AM 1/8/2010, Mache Creeger wrote:
>Silicondust USA, INC., based in Livermore, CA,
>today announced the development of their latest
>addition to the HDHomeRun® product line, by
>adding the First Network Attached TV tuner with
>CableCARD™ Support, for PCs with Windows7
>Windows Media Center. Computer network
>environments incorporating the HDHomeRun®
>CableCARD™ will be able to support
>high-definition and other digital TV including
>premium cable channels, eliminating the need for a cable set-top box.
>
>http://www.cocoontech.com/portal/articles/news/34-hardware/166-silicondust-announces-hdhomerun-cablecard
>
>
>No mention of whether it will work with Myth.
>
>-- Mache
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beww at beww

Jan 8, 2010, 11:20 AM

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On Friday 08 January 2010 12:16:43 pm Mache Creeger wrote:
> Silicondust USA, INC., based in Livermore, CA,
> today announced the development of their latest
> addition to the HDHomeRun® product line, by
> adding the First Network Attached TV tuner with
> CableCARD™ Support, for PCs with Windows7 Windows
> Media Center. Computer network environments
> incorporating the HDHomeRun® CableCARD™ will be
> able to support high-definition and other digital
> TV including premium cable channels, eliminating
> the need for a cable set-top box.
>
> http://www.cocoontech.com/portal/articles/news/34-hardware/166-silicondust-
> announces-hdhomerun-cablecard
>
> No mention of whether it will work with Myth.

Really? I'd never have known, but for the dozens of posts to this list about
it in the last few days :-)

Thanks for thinking of us, but check the archives before posting on a topic
like this one, that the folks here are very unlikely to have missed :-)
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drescherjm at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 11:22 AM

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> If the channel is flagged with copy protection it will definitely require CableLabs-approved software (which currently means
> WMC 7) to receive. We are working with CableLabs to determine the usability of copy-freely channels in alternative programs.

In that 80+ post topic on this I am not sure if anyone posted a
confirmation about this fear that many of us expected so this part is
somewhat news to me..

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mache at creeger

Jan 8, 2010, 11:25 AM

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At 11:20 AM 1/8/2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>On Friday 08 January 2010 12:16:43 pm Mache Creeger wrote:
> > Silicondust USA, INC., based in Livermore, CA,
> > today announced the development of their latest
> > addition to the HDHomeRun® product line, by
> > adding the First Network Attached TV tuner with
> > CableCARD™ Support, for PCs with Windows7 Windows
> > Media Center. Computer network environments
> > incorporating the HDHomeRun® CableCARD™ will be
> > able to support high-definition and other digital
> > TV including premium cable channels, eliminating
> > the need for a cable set-top box.
> >
> > http://www.cocoontech.com/portal/articles/news/34-hardware/166-silicondust-
> > announces-hdhomerun-cablecard
> >
> > No mention of whether it will work with Myth.
>
>Really? I'd never have known, but for the dozens of posts to this list about
>it in the last few days :-)
>
>Thanks for thinking of us, but check the archives before posting on a topic
>like this one, that the folks here are very unlikely to have missed :-)

The discussions over the past few days were
speculation based on just a screenshot on the
Silicondust forum. There was no real information.
The formal announcement just went out this
morning and is the first real information regarding the product.

-- Mache


beww at beww

Jan 8, 2010, 11:27 AM

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On Friday 08 January 2010 12:22:58 pm John Drescher wrote:
> > If the channel is flagged with copy protection it will definitely require
> > CableLabs-approved software (which currently means WMC 7) to receive. We
> > are working with CableLabs to determine the usability of copy-freely
> > channels in alternative programs.
>
> In that 80+ post topic on this I am not sure if anyone posted a
> confirmation about this fear that many of us expected so this part is
> somewhat news to me..

It's certainly not unexpected, Microsoft wants to own the DRM market (and they
essentially do), and they certainly do nothing to change the content-
provider's view of Linux users as "a bunch of pirates".

I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to CableCard, but
they haven't shown much interest that I can see.
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beww at beww

Jan 8, 2010, 11:29 AM

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On Friday 08 January 2010 12:25:20 pm Mache Creeger wrote:
> At 11:20 AM 1/8/2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >On Friday 08 January 2010 12:16:43 pm Mache Creeger wrote:
> > > Silicondust USA, INC., based in Livermore, CA,
> > > today announced the development of their latest
> > > addition to the HDHomeRun® product line, by
> > > adding the First Network Attached TV tuner with
> > > CableCARD™ Support, for PCs with Windows7 Windows
> > > Media Center. Computer network environments
> > > incorporating the HDHomeRun® CableCARD™ will be
> > > able to support high-definition and other digital
> > > TV including premium cable channels, eliminating
> > > the need for a cable set-top box.
> > >
> > > http://www.cocoontech.com/portal/articles/news/34-hardware/166-silicond
> > >ust- announces-hdhomerun-cablecard
> > >
> > > No mention of whether it will work with Myth.
> >
> >Really? I'd never have known, but for the dozens of posts to this list
> > about it in the last few days :-)
> >
> >Thanks for thinking of us, but check the archives before posting on a
> > topic like this one, that the folks here are very unlikely to have missed
> > :-)
>
> The discussions over the past few days were
> speculation based on just a screenshot on the
> Silicondust forum. There was no real information.
> The formal announcement just went out this
> morning and is the first real information regarding the product.

Good point. I think most of us are interested in whether non-Windows systems
will be able to participate, but it looks like it is at least being
considered.
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aclose at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 11:29 AM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Brian Wood <beww [at] beww> wrote:
>
> It's certainly not unexpected, Microsoft wants to own the DRM market (and they
> essentially do), and they certainly do nothing to change the content-
> provider's view of Linux users as "a bunch of pirates".

and this is certainly funny because it's much easier to pirate
audio/video on Windows than it is on Linux, especially for the general
public.

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eric at lisaneric

Jan 8, 2010, 11:31 AM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger> wrote:
> The discussions over the past few days were speculation based on just a
> screenshot on the Silicondust forum. There was no real information. The
> formal announcement just went out this morning and is the first real
> information regarding the product.

The discussion started with that speculation, but if you read the
whole thread, you'll see that it fully covers what you've brought up.
There's no new information in this thread.

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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 11:31 AM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger> wrote:
>
> The discussions over the past few days were speculation based on just a
> screenshot on the Silicondust forum. There was no real information. The
> formal announcement just went out this morning and is the first real
> information regarding the product.
>
> -- Mache

Not exactly right:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-January/277044.html
http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-January/277050.html
http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-January/277049.html

Robert
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jason0x21 at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 11:34 AM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wood <beww [at] beww> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to CableCard, but
> they haven't shown much interest that I can see.

I think Apple is pretty much completely uninterested in broadcast TV,
and is looking to hasten the end of that as we know it (either via
iTunes, or some other network delivery manner). Their whole approach
to content is is to cut the broadcasters out of it. Why have a PVR
when you could have a podcast, after all?

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fmerrill1 at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 11:36 AM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger> wrote:
> <snip>
> The discussions over the past few days were speculation based on just a
> screenshot on the Silicondust forum. There was no real information. The
> formal announcement just went out this morning and is the first real
> information regarding the product.
>
>

Actually, the press release was announced in this list about 24 hours
before you made your post, and the actual press release post on
Silicon Directs site was posted just shortly before that, and is dated
yesterday (Jan. 7, 2010).

No biggie tho..
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mache at creeger

Jan 8, 2010, 11:43 AM

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My mistake, I am sorry.

-- Mache

At 11:36 AM 1/8/2010, Frank Merrill wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > The discussions over the past few days were speculation based on just a
> > screenshot on the Silicondust forum. There was no real information. The
> > formal announcement just went out this morning and is the first real
> > information regarding the product.
> >
> >
>
>Actually, the press release was announced in this list about 24 hours
>before you made your post, and the actual press release post on
>Silicon Directs site was posted just shortly before that, and is dated
>yesterday (Jan. 7, 2010).
>
>No biggie tho..
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gull at gull

Jan 8, 2010, 2:02 PM

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On Fri, January 8, 2010 11:27 am, Brian Wood wrote:
> I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to
> CableCard, but they haven't shown much interest that I can see.

I think Apple would rather own the distribution channel -- they'd much
rather sell you video content on iTunes than provide ways to record it
yourself.


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beww at beww

Jan 8, 2010, 2:32 PM

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On Friday 08 January 2010 03:02:10 pm David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Fri, January 8, 2010 11:27 am, Brian Wood wrote:
> > I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to
> > CableCard, but they haven't shown much interest that I can see.
>
> I think Apple would rather own the distribution channel -- they'd much
> rather sell you video content on iTunes than provide ways to record it
> yourself.

Perhaps, and the iTunes model has certainly worked well for them, for music,
not so much for video.

I don't think we will ever see the DRM lifted from video, the way it was from
music.

Perhaps Apple learned from the music biz that DRM is not the way to go, and
they see CableCard as a DRM-ridden technology, which of course it is.

Now that they are selling DRM-free music, I wonder if we will see a Linux
version of iTunes, and maybe a 64-bit Windows version?
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ryan.goat at gmail

Jan 8, 2010, 4:58 PM

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger> wrote:
> My mistake, I am sorry.
>
> -- Mache

Mache,

Two more important rules about posting on this list:
1. Don't use HTML in your e-mails (plan text only).
2. Don't top post.

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brian.phillips at gmx

Jan 8, 2010, 5:13 PM

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ryan patterson wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Mache Creeger <mache [at] creeger>
> wrote:
>> My mistake, I am sorry.
>>
>> -- Mache
>
> Mache,
>
> Two more important rules about posting on this list:
> 1. Don't use HTML in your e-mails (plan text only).
> 2. Don't top post.

To be fair to Mache, he's not the only one who breaks these rules. I don't
know what good it is to call him out on it, seeing as he's not the only one.

Brian

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Jan 8, 2010, 6:02 PM

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On 01/08/2010 05:13 PM, Brian Phillips wrote:
> ryan patterson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Mache Creeger<mache [at] creeger>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My mistake, I am sorry.
>>>
>>> -- Mache
>>>
>> Mache,
>>
>> Two more important rules about posting on this list:
>> 1. Don't use HTML in your e-mails (plan text only).
>> 2. Don't top post.
>>
> To be fair to Mache, he's not the only one who breaks these rules. I don't
> know what good it is to call him out on it, seeing as he's not the only one.
>

I've been called out for a couple netiquette items since joining this
list. The only limit I'd like to see placed on the practice is that the
"advice" should be supplied only *after* first providing a helpful
answer to the question, *never* alone.

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mache at creeger

Jan 8, 2010, 8:20 PM

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At 06:02 PM 1/8/2010, Bob Cunningham wrote:
>On 01/08/2010 05:13 PM, Brian Phillips wrote:
>>ryan patterson wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Mache Creeger<mache [at] creeger>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>My mistake, I am sorry.
>>>>
>>>>-- Mache
>>>>
>>>Mache,
>>>
>>>Two more important rules about posting on this list:
>>>1. Don't use HTML in your e-mails (plan text only).
>>>2. Don't top post.
>>>
>>To be fair to Mache, he's not the only one who breaks these rules. I don't
>>know what good it is to call him out on it, seeing as he's not the only one.
>>
>
>I've been called out for a couple netiquette items since joining
>this list. The only limit I'd like to see placed on the practice is
>that the "advice" should be supplied only *after* first providing a
>helpful answer to the question, *never* alone.
>
>-BobC

Not the first time I have been called out. In defense, I usually
apologize when I recognize my error and it stops.

-- Mache


jedi at mishnet

Jan 9, 2010, 7:24 AM

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On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 02:34:25PM -0500, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wood <beww [at] beww> wrote:
> >
> > I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to CableCard, but
> > they haven't shown much interest that I can see.
>
> I think Apple is pretty much completely uninterested in broadcast TV,
> and is looking to hasten the end of that as we know it (either via
> iTunes, or some other network delivery manner). Their whole approach
> to content is is to cut the broadcasters out of it. Why have a PVR
> when you could have a podcast, after all?

...it's a noble idea but doesn't seem to work out so well in practice.
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beww at beww

Jan 9, 2010, 7:43 AM

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On Saturday 09 January 2010 08:24:26 am jedi wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 02:34:25PM -0500, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wood <beww [at] beww> wrote:
> > > I'm surprised Apple doesn't fight the "Windows only" approach to
> > > CableCard, but they haven't shown much interest that I can see.
> >
> > I think Apple is pretty much completely uninterested in broadcast TV,
> > and is looking to hasten the end of that as we know it (either via
> > iTunes, or some other network delivery manner). Their whole approach
> > to content is is to cut the broadcasters out of it. Why have a PVR
> > when you could have a podcast, after all?
>
> ...it's a noble idea but doesn't seem to work out so well in practice.

The iTunes approach to music has changed things significantly, contributing
greatly to the demise of DRM on a lot of music, and getting a lot of artists
the exposure the old ways prevented.

Whether it will work with video is another question, even Apple shows no signs
of eliminating DRM from video, probably because the suppliers have been
brainwashed by MS into thinking DRM is necessary to their continued profits.

High power land-based broadcasting is environmentally wrong, inefficient and
helps nobody but the license holders. If Apple, or anyone else, can promote
better alternatives they have my support.

The idea that the public owns the airwaves, and that broadcasters operate in
the public interest is bunk. Even in the rare cases where the government pulls
a license (Gencorp/RKO in Boston), the license just goes to someone worse,
with better lobbyists.
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jarpublic at gmail

Jan 9, 2010, 7:53 AM

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> The iTunes approach to music has changed things significantly, contributing
> greatly to the demise of DRM on a lot of music, and getting a lot of artists
> the exposure the old ways prevented.
>
> Whether it will work with video is another question, even Apple shows no signs
> of eliminating DRM from video, probably because the suppliers have been
> brainwashed by MS into thinking DRM is necessary to their continued profits.

I am sorry but if anybody has done more to promote DRM it is Apple.
They only took out DRM when it was their last resort, because there
were several other large digital music stores that were doing so. I
could give my opinion but Ars Technica writes better than me:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/a-look-at-apples-love-for-drm-and-consumer-lock-ins.ars.
Sure Microsoft implements DRM but they don't have to actively promote
it to any of the content providers. Content providers have always
sought these types of measures, even before there were computers (e.g.
trying to stop VCRs). Microsoft just gave them what they wanted. They
certainly didn't have to "brainwash" anybody. But I agree that I would
certainly love to just buy something and be able to use it as I please
unfettered by artificial DRM restrictions.
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beww at beww

Jan 9, 2010, 7:58 AM

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On Saturday 09 January 2010 08:53:29 am Johnny wrote:
> > The iTunes approach to music has changed things significantly,
> > contributing greatly to the demise of DRM on a lot of music, and getting
> > a lot of artists the exposure the old ways prevented.
> >
> > Whether it will work with video is another question, even Apple shows no
> > signs of eliminating DRM from video, probably because the suppliers have
> > been brainwashed by MS into thinking DRM is necessary to their continued
> > profits.
>
> I am sorry but if anybody has done more to promote DRM it is Apple.
> They only took out DRM when it was their last resort, because there
> were several other large digital music stores that were doing so. I
> could give my opinion but Ars Technica writes better than me:
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/a-look-at-apples-love-for-drm-and
> -consumer-lock-ins.ars. Sure Microsoft implements DRM but they don't have
> to actively promote it to any of the content providers. Content providers
> have always
> sought these types of measures, even before there were computers (e.g.
> trying to stop VCRs). Microsoft just gave them what they wanted. They
> certainly didn't have to "brainwash" anybody. But I agree that I would
> certainly love to just buy something and be able to use it as I please
> unfettered by artificial DRM restrictions.

That URL gave me a 404 error.

Apple may have been dragged kicking and screaming into the no-DRM camp, but
the fact is they did it, and they have enough market share to make an impact.
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beww at beww

Jan 9, 2010, 8:16 AM

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Re: Silicondust Makes CableCard Announcement [In reply to]

On Saturday 09 January 2010 08:53:29 am Johnny wrote:
> > The iTunes approach to music has changed things significantly,
> > contributing greatly to the demise of DRM on a lot of music, and getting
> > a lot of artists the exposure the old ways prevented.
> >
> > Whether it will work with video is another question, even Apple shows no
> > signs of eliminating DRM from video, probably because the suppliers have
> > been brainwashed by MS into thinking DRM is necessary to their continued
> > profits.
>
> I am sorry but if anybody has done more to promote DRM it is Apple.
> They only took out DRM when it was their last resort, because there
> were several other large digital music stores that were doing so. I
> could give my opinion but Ars Technica writes better than me:
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/a-look-at-apples-love-for-drm-and
> -consumer-lock-ins.ars. Sure Microsoft implements DRM but they don't have
> to actively promote it to any of the content providers. Content providers
> have always
> sought these types of measures, even before there were computers (e.g.
> trying to stop VCRs). Microsoft just gave them what they wanted. They
> certainly didn't have to "brainwash" anybody. But I agree that I would
> certainly love to just buy something and be able to use it as I please
> unfettered by artificial DRM restrictions.

Sorry, the URL worked fine when I took the "." off the end. I'm not really awake
yet.

Interesting reading, thanks.
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eric at lisaneric

Jan 9, 2010, 8:30 AM

Post #25 of 35 (2252 views)
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Re: Silicondust Makes CableCard Announcement [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Brian Wood <beww [at] beww> wrote:
> Whether it will work with video is another question, even Apple shows no signs
> of eliminating DRM from video, probably because the suppliers have been
> brainwashed by MS into thinking DRM is necessary to their continued profits.

You give MS too much credit. The desire to produce uncopyable content
really predates anything MS has done. Modern DRM is a natural
progression from ARM techniques like macrovision on VHS tapes and
such. MS is merely seeing a market opportunity and trying to cash in
on it.

Eric
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