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mtdean at thirdcontact

Dec 29, 2009, 6:50 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 12/29/2009 09:38 PM, Robert McNamara wrote:
> As an aside, none of us writing themes are UI experts/professionals.
>

Unless some UI experts/professionals have taken up the challenge of the
MythTV theming contest but haven't mentioned it to us, yet...

> We all endeavour to walk the balance between what we like and (if we
> publish the theme) what others will like. You don't need any coding
> experience whatsoever to write a theme, you just need time, so the
> barrier to entry is very low indeed. If you feel that the usability
> under the new UI is suffering, *please* take matters into your own
> hands and make it behave as you think it should-- no C++ required.

And now--of all times--is a /great/ time to do a theme, as you can win
wonderful prizes for doing so:

http://www.mythtv.org/theming-competition

</shameless-plug-for-theming-competition>

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ben32768 at yahoo

Dec 29, 2009, 6:50 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Thanks for the informative reply.

It's reassuring that the focus issues can be fixed with a theme change. I tried most of the default themes, and they all exchibited the same behaviour, so I'd assumed it was a limitation in the UI code itself. Is the browser window focus issue likely to be related to this? If so, would this also be fixable with a theme change, or can those particular attributes only be applied to a buttonlist?

WRT to the memory usage, mythcentre-wide is lighter-weight than the other themes, but it's still currently using about 500MB on my box and does seem to progressively use more memory over time. A couple of days ago I installed the latest stable version from SVN, so I'll keep an eye on it and see if it's any better.

I don't think the seek table is corrupted, at least CHECK TABLE reports it as OK. But perhaps it is an issue with the database upgrade from 0.21. I recall that table did crash at one point and I had to repair it. I'll check the logs and see if I can find anything untoward.

I should make it clear that I'm seriously impressed by what's been done with MythTV up until now. FWIW, I am a programmer, and I have been known to contribute open source projects, but I simply don't have the time to get involved with MythTV right now. I do however appreciate what the developers are doing. So unfortunately my (hopefully vaguely contstructive) complaining is the extent of my contribution right now.

Ben

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, David Engel <david at istwok.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 03:15:27PM
> +0000, Ben Woodhouse wrote:
> > List box behavior seems to be completely broken now.
> List boxes
> > inexplicably change focus when you reach the end, so
> if I'm
> > scrolling to the end of a list of articles in
> mythnews, the focus
> > will switch back to the news sources list instead of
> just stopping
> > at the end. Now I have to carefully scroll down,
> making sure I don't
> > go past the last entry, otherwise I'll have to scroll
> down all over
> > again. I don't understand the reasoning for this
> change. If I'd
> > wanted to switch to the left hand list box, I could
> simply press
> > left.
> >
> > Probably related to this, if I scroll all the way to
> the right in
> > the browser, the UI will switch focus to some
> pointless control
> > above the browser window. There must be a better way
> to do this.
>
> This behavior is all now controlled by the theme instead of
> by the
> widget code. Personally, I dislike the "scrolling
> past the end moves
> focus to the next widget" behaviour too and would like to
> see the
> default themes changed back to more pre-0.22 like
> behavior.
>
> > As others have noted (here for example :
> > http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-November/270659.html),
> > the right button on the recordings menu no longer
> works. The menu is
> > now inaccessable on my remote. I could reconfigure it,
> but I don't
> > want to use a less accessible button to access one of
> the most
> > commonly used menus, just because I might be using a
> theme which
> > supports horizontal scrolling (I'm not and I don't
> intend to).
>
> As has been noted multiple times, the right button menu was
> a casualty
> of allowing the theme to control widget traversal.
> The menu can still
> be accessed by pressing the button tied to the INFO
> action. The
> option is open for someone to add support so a theme can
> specify that
> an action (such as bringing up a menu) should occur instead
> of widget
> traversal.
>
> > There's no delete recordings view, which would be
> fine, except
> > there's no way to see how much space there is left, or
> change the
> > sort order (unless that's now in the hidden menu I can
> no longer
> > access)
>
> There is no loss in functionality between the watch
> recordings and
> delete recordings screens except for the disk space usage
> display.
> Someone does need to add the space usage back in. A
> separate delete
> recordings screen is probably never coming back though.
>
> > Memory use is astronomical on all the themes I've
> tried (mythbuntu,
> > blue abstract, mythcentre wide, graphite), and
> mythfrontend seems to
> > leak memory like a sieve, even when it's just idling.
> I've seen it
> > peak at around 3GB at times. Restarting the frontend
> fixes it
> > temorarily, but it always becomes unusable again after
> a day or
> > so. My 1GB system just isn't sufficient any more, as a
> workaround
> > I'm planning to upgrade to 4GB, but I really shouldn't
> need to do
> > that for an lightweight SD-only media box.
>
> I haven't noticed excessive memory usage with
> MythCenter[wide]. I'm
> not saying it can't happen, just that I haven't noticed
> it.
>
> > When skipping forwards/back through a recording, it
> pauses for a
> > long time between skips when the button is held down,
> so skipping
> > forward through a show takes a very long time. This is
> probably
> > caused by the fact that it's playing the video between
> iterations,
> > which didn't happen in 0.21
>
> I haven't seen this. Are your sure your seektable
> isn't corrupted?
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42:25AM -0500, Devin Heitmueller
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Ben Woodhouse
> <ben32768 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > In my house at least, 0.22 has been a big step
> backwards in terms
> > > of usability. So for the time being, I'm
> switching back to 0.21
> > > and holding out to see if any of these issues are
> fixed in the
> > > next release. I guess in the meantime I should
> submit some bug
> > > reports.
> >
> > Rather than submitting bug reports, how about rolling
> up your sleeves
> > and submitting some *patches* instead?
>
> I would welcome patches to the default themes to "fix" the
> focus
> change problems. We would need concurrence from other
> developers to
> put them in svn, but I would seriously consider using them
> myself.
>
> David
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>

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Dec 29, 2009, 7:07 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

It seems logical that this behaviour should be determined by the theme, as it's the theme which determines whether the right-arrow is required or not.

I consider this to be a usability issue because it requires an extra (unnecessary in most cases) button mapping which is less accessible than the right arrow. The right arrow is amongst the 5 most accessible buttons on most remotes, and it was a good choice for that menu, since it contains a lot of commonly used functionality. On my remote, I simply don't have any spare buttons anywhere close to that core region, so it's a pain to have to use something else. Yeah, I would probably get used to it, to some extent, but it would never be as convenient.

--- On Wed, 30/12/09, Johnny <jarpublic [at] gmail> wrote:

> From: Johnny <jarpublic [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 0.22 annoyances
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 2:34
> > The right button / i button
> switch is probably an unfortunate but
> > necessary change (to allow horizontal scrolling
> menus). I have had the
> > i button mapped forever, but perhaps thats cos my mce
> remote has one.
> > People will get used to it.
>
> I keep seeing this, but from what I understand I think this
> is too
> narrow. It wasn't just for horizontal scrolling menus. It
> is because
> the theme doesn't just have a single (or double) vertical
> list like
> the old UI did. It could have other widgets, menus, etc to
> the right
> of your recordings, or your recordings may be on the left
> and
> everything else is on the right. The point is themers are
> free to put
> widgets list etc in any order or arrangement they like on
> the screen.
> So binding the right arrow to a menu would hamper the
> ability to
> navigate in such a system. The suggestion to allow a themer
> to bind a
> right movement to a menu seems like a valuable option. But
> confusing
> usability with "what I am used to" is a false notion. The
> new freedom
> of the MythUI can actually greatly improve the usability
> but it is up
> to the theme writer to make that happen.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Dec 29, 2009, 7:38 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 12/29/2009 09:50 PM, Ben Woodhouse wrote:
> I don't think the seek table is corrupted, at least CHECK TABLE reports it as OK. But perhaps it is an issue with the database upgrade from 0.21. I recall that table did crash at one point and I had to repair it. I'll check the logs and see if I can find anything untoward.

Whether it's currently corrupt only affects current recordings. Whether
it has been corrupt indicates whether any recordings may be affected.

You need to rebuild the seektable on any recordings in which seeking
doesn't work (now that you know the database table is not corrupt):

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:15 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Thanks for the info. in that case I don't think that the issue is with the seek table, as the problem is the same with all recordings. It seems to be seeking OK, it's just taking a long time when the skip fwd button is held down, probably because it's playing after every skip instead of just showing the still frame.

I'm guessing it's a bug, although I've searched the tickets and can't find it. Perhaps it's more common to use ffwd/rewind than holding down skip fwd/back.

Ben

On 30 Dec 2009, at 03:38, "Michael T. Dean" <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:

On 12/29/2009 09:50 PM, Ben Woodhouse wrote:
I don't think the seek table is corrupted, at least CHECK TABLE reports it as OK. But perhaps it is an issue with the database upgrade from 0.21. I recall that table did crash at one point and I had to repair it. I'll check the logs and see if I can find anything untoward.

Whether it's currently corrupt only affects current recordings. Whether it has been corrupt indicates whether any recordings may be affected.

You need to rebuild the seektable on any recordings in which seeking doesn't work (now that you know the database table is not corrupt):

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

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david at istwok

Dec 30, 2009, 7:58 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Please don't top post on Myth lists. If you don't have a specific
quoted section you are replying to, then please trim the entire quoted
section.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 03:07:51AM +0000, Ben Woodhouse wrote:
> I consider this to be a usability issue because it requires an extra
> (unnecessary in most cases) button mapping which is less accessible
> than the right arrow. The right arrow is amongst the 5 most
> accessible buttons on most remotes, and it was a good choice for
> that menu, since it contains a lot of commonly used
> functionality. On my remote, I simply don't have any spare buttons
> anywhere close to that core region, so it's a pain to have to use
> something else. Yeah, I would probably get used to it, to some
> extent, but it would never be as convenient.

I've suggested this before, but I'll bring it up again.

Always have the SELECT button bring up a simple menu for the most
commonly used actions for the currently highlighted item. Those same
actions, as well as others, can still be bound to other keys for
quicker access. The MENU button should bring up a full menu or series
of menus to allow access to all possible actions.

PBB oculd then, for example, have a simple menu when SELECT is pressed
which offered "Play", "Play from...", "Delete" and maybe one or two
other options. "Play" could even be the default action, so users who
don't want to move their finger from the d-pad to the PLAY button
could easily start playback by simply pressing SELECT twice.

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Dec 30, 2009, 10:06 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 12/30/2009 08:15 AM, Ben Woodhouse wrote:
> Thanks for the info. in that case I don't think that the issue is with the seek table, as the problem is the same with all recordings. It seems to be seeking OK, it's just taking a long time when the skip fwd button is held down, probably because it's playing after every skip instead of just showing the still frame.
>
> I'm guessing it's a bug, although I've searched the tickets and can't find it. Perhaps it's more common to use ffwd/rewind than holding down skip fwd/back.

You probably shouldn't be using the skip forward button held down.
(Sure, it would be nice if it worked--patches appreciated--but I doubt
/anyone/ has ever really tested it that way). Instead, if you want to
keep moving quickly through the show, use sticky fast forward (>) or
sticky rewind (<).

And, remember there's both a "seek" button (default 30s forward (Right)
and (the useless) 5s backwards (Left) (which you probably need to change
to at least 7, probably more like 10 or 15s)) and a jump button (default
10min forward (PgDown) or back (PgUp)), where the amount of show each
skips can both be adjusted in the Playback Group settings.

And, there's
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/414608#414608 to make
things significantly easier.

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gull at gull

Dec 30, 2009, 10:54 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On Tue, December 29, 2009 6:34 pm, Johnny wrote:
>...confusing
> usability with "what I am used to" is a false notion. The new freedom
> of the MythUI can actually greatly improve the usability but it is up
> to the theme writer to make that happen.

That's a good point.

I've actually always thought using the right arrow to access a context
menu was very counter-intuitive. It's easy once you know about it but the
first time I did it was by accident, and I wondered how I got there. (I
also think Boxee's method of using the left arrow to access menus is
unintuitive, especially since it's quite inconsistent.)

I think the root of the complaint (besides "I'm used to the old way") is
that Myth requires two different menu keys for full functionality, which
forces a bit of improvisation on some smaller remotes. I usually bind one
of them to an otherwise unused key, but it did take a while to get
everyone in my household used to the idea that "FULL SCREEN" was actually
a menu button...

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ben32768 at yahoo

Dec 30, 2009, 2:06 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 12/30/2009,�10:06�AM, "Michael T. Dean" <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:

>And, remember there's both a "seek" button (default 30s forward (Right)
>and (the useless) 5s backwards (Left)

Sorry just to clarify, I'm referring to the seek forward/back buttons, which on my set are set to 30 and 10 seconds.

>You probably shouldn't be using the skip forward button held down.
>(Sure, it would be nice if it worked--patches appreciated--but I doubt
>/anyone/ has ever really tested it that way). Instead, if you want to
>keep moving quickly through the show, use sticky fast forward (>) or
>sticky rewind (<).

I don't really accept that I shouldn't be using it like that. I've tried the sticky ffwd, and I do use it occasionally, but I find holding the seek/jump forward much more efficient for skipping quickly through a show. It worked fine for a number of years until it broke in 0.22.

>but I doubt /anyone/ has ever really tested it that way).
Fortunately now someone has :-) (although I find it hard to believe I'm the only one)

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Dec 30, 2009, 4:15 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

> From: Ben Woodhouse <ben32768 [at] yahoo>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 0.22 annoyances
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
> On 12/30/2009,�10:06�AM, "Michael
> T. Dean" <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
>
> >And, remember there's both a "seek" button (default 30s
> forward (Right)
> >and (the useless) 5s backwards (Left)
>
> Sorry just to clarify, I'm referring to the seek
> forward/back buttons, which on my set are set to 30 and 10
> seconds.
>
> >You probably shouldn't be using the skip forward button
> held down.
> >(Sure, it would be nice if it worked--patches
> appreciated--but I doubt
> >/anyone/ has ever really tested it that way). Instead,
> if you want to
> >keep moving quickly through the show, use sticky fast
> forward (>) or
> >sticky rewind (<).
>
> I don't really accept that I shouldn't be using it like
> that. I've tried the sticky ffwd, and I do use it
> occasionally, but I find holding the seek/jump forward much
> more efficient for skipping quickly through a show. It
> worked fine for a number of years until it broke in 0.22.
>
> >but I doubt /anyone/ has ever really tested it that
> way).
> Fortunately now someone has :-) (although I find it hard to
> believe I'm the only one)
>

fwiw...
My skip and jump are set 20 seconds and one minute.
If I need to go farther than a couple minutes, entering the number(s) on the remote then hit the skip button gets me there.

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ron at ronfrazier

Dec 30, 2009, 7:02 PM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

> As others have noted (here for example : http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-November/270659.html),
>the right button on the recordings menu no longer works. The menu is now inaccessable on my remote. I could
>reconfigure it, but I don't want to use a less accessible button to access one of the most commonly used menus,
>just because I might be using a theme which supports horizontal scrolling (I'm not and I don't intend to).

Despite other's saying it's not necessary, I fully agree with you that
it was the most convenient way for me to access it, and I really don't
want to reconfigure my remote to work around it.

However, you may be in luck. If you don't mind compiling your myth
from source code, I'm about to make a patch available that allow you
to replicate this sort of functionality in the theme. Based on some of
the posts I've seen, I fully expect the patch will not be accepted
into the main tree. Personally, that's no big deal as I've typically
got about a dozen custom patches applied to my myth builds.

If you are interested, I'll post more details once I have it available.

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:11 PM

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>I'm about to make a patch available that allow you
> to replicate this sort of functionality in the theme.
>...
> If you are interested, I'll post more details once I have it available.

OK, I managed to do a little overhaul to my mythtv info page (clean it
up for a fresh start with 0.22). I've got the patches available there
now.

http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/0.22/index.html

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ylee at pobox

Dec 31, 2009, 2:14 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Ben Woodhouse <ben32768 [at] yahoo> says:
> I consider this to be a usability issue because it requires an extra
> (unnecessary in most cases) button mapping which is less accessible
> than the right arrow.

As pointed out in this thread, using RIGHT to bring up the second menu
only makes sense to those who have learned it.

The real solution is not to bring back RIGHT, but either a) David
Engel's suggestion of SELECT, or b) Justin Hornsby's patch for, and
followup thoughts on, only requiring one menu button
(<URL:http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/413083#413083>).

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:54 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Ronald Frazier wrote:
>> I'm about to make a patch available that allow you
>> to replicate this sort of functionality in the theme.
>> ...
>> If you are interested, I'll post more details once I have it available.
>>
>
> OK, I managed to do a little overhaul to my mythtv info page (clean it
> up for a fresh start with 0.22). I've got the patches available there
> now.
>
> http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/0.22/index.html
>
>
>
>

There's a small problem with your patch you can't have libmythui depend
on libmyth because of circular dependency problems. Easy to fix though
just change gContext->GetMainWindow() to GetMythMainWindow();

I guess some people really don't like change but I would urge you to at
least give the new interface a try. The aim is to make things more
consistent throughout Myth. Having the right arrow do one thing in on
screen and something completely different in another just isn't user
friendly IMHO.

The problem with having to have two menu buttons will go way when the
patch on ticket #6814, or something similar, is committed.

Paul H.

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ben32768 at yahoo

Dec 31, 2009, 4:20 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 31 Dec 2009, at 10:14, Yeechang Lee <ylee [at] pobox> wrote:
>As pointed out in this thread, using
>RIGHT to bring up the second menu
>only makes sense to those who
>have learned it.

Perhaps, but no more so than any other button. Does it make any more sense that in the majority of themes, pressing RIGHT on a recording moves moves the selection left?

I'm not just being a luddite for the sake of it. The main issue for me is it requires an extra button, and there simply isn't covenient one available on my remote. From what I can gather, I'm not alone in this.

I agree that having a single menu would fix the problem (provided navigating the larger menu doesn't require too many extra button presses) But failing that, making the right button available to themes which don't need it doesn't seem like such a bad thing, (IMHO).

Ben

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:39 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

> There's a small problem with your patch you can't have libmythui depend
> on libmyth because of circular dependency problems. Easy to fix though
> just change gContext->GetMainWindow() to GetMythMainWindow();

Thanks. There's a lot I don't quite know about working with that
stuff. Same thing with converting the context/action to a keystroke
and then generating a key event...I'm not sure if what I've done is
the best way to go about it. I just followed what I saw elsewhere
(like in networkcontrol.cpp).

I just made your suggested change and it worked fine, so thanks. I've
updated my patch with the changes. Thanks again

> I guess some people really don't like change but I would urge you to at
> least give the new interface a try. The aim is to make things more
> consistent throughout Myth. Having the right arrow do one thing in on
> screen and something completely different in another just isn't user
> friendly IMHO.

It has nothing to do with not liking change. If I didn't like change
I'd still be running 0.21 (or maybe even 0.18). It has to do with the
fact that I spent a LOT of time getting things laid out a way I really
am comfortable with, and making it so that it all works on a remote I
like the layout of. I've got a lot of functionality packed onto my
remote, and I've went as far as writing a custom script to monitor for
remote button presses and turn them into dynamic command that it
issues to myth through the network control port). Buttons can behave
differently depending on what screen of myth you are on (which the
script gets via "query location" through the network control port).

I guess another way to look at it is, I don't need to change merely
because the authors think I need to. With mythtv's openness and my
ability to write code for it, I only need to change when I deem it
beneficial.

> The problem with having to have two menu buttons will go way when the
> patch on ticket #6814, or something similar, is committed.

You would think so, wouldn't you. However, for me it isn't that
function that I have a conflict with....it's the info key for
displaying details of a program. About the closest you'd get to
solving this problem in a way that can satisfy me is by putting them
info screen as a button on the recording's submenu. Still, even then I
see the right arrow key as more convenient. It may not seem convenient
to you, but in my eyes it's the logical thing to do. You pick your
group, press right to drill down, pick your program, press right to
drill down, pick your action from the menu. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Dec 31, 2009, 5:48 AM

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Ronald Frazier <ron [at] ronfrazier> wrote:
> You pick your group, press right to drill down, pick your program, press
> right to drill down, pick your action from the menu. Makes perfect sense
> to me.

That only makes sense if you also severely restrict the layout of the
UI. No thanks.

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Dec 31, 2009, 6:02 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:48 AM, ryan patterson <ryan.goat [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Ronald Frazier <ron [at] ronfrazier> wrote:
>> You pick your group, press right to drill down, pick your program, press
>> right to drill down, pick your action from the menu. Makes perfect sense
>> to me.
>
> That only makes sense if you also severely restrict the layout of the
> UI. �No thanks.

OK, you you want horizontal layouts? Select your group, press down.
Select your show, press down again to access the menu (yes, my patch
allows this). Or do it the opposite, with the groups on the bottom and
using the up arrow. There is no other functionality on the Watch
recording screen that you need to press right/up/down to access, so I
don't see the big deal.

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ben32768 at yahoo

Dec 31, 2009, 6:15 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

Ronald Frazier wrote:
>I'm about to make a patch available that >allow you to replicate this sort of
>functionality in the theme.

Thanks, that sounds perfect. What would I need to add in the theme XML to enable it? Is it a parameter on the buttonlist?

Ben

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Dec 31, 2009, 6:19 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 31 Dec 2009, at 14:15, Ben Woodhouse <ben32768 [at] yahoo> wrote:

>Thanks, that sounds perfect. What
>would I need to add in the theme
>XML to enable it? Is it a parameter
>on the buttonlist?

Sorry, disregard that. I found all the info in your link. Cheers

Ben

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Dec 31, 2009, 9:08 AM

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 02:14:30AM -0800, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> As pointed out in this thread, using RIGHT to bring up the second menu
> only makes sense to those who have learned it.
>
> The real solution is not to bring back RIGHT, but either a) David
> Engel's suggestion of SELECT, or b) Justin Hornsby's patch for, and

I have no problem with RIGHT bringing up a menu when it makes sense
for the theme. In fact, I go so far as to say it *should* do that for
some themes.

FYI, I am the guy who originally made LEFT work like ESCAPE and RIGHT
work like SELECT on vertically oriented menus and later on some
screens. I came from a TiVo background so that way of navigating
menus and screens made sense to me then, and it still makes sense to
me now for vertically oriented themes.

Sidenote: that TiVo I started with is now 9.5 years old and still
going strong in daily use by my Mom.

David
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Dec 31, 2009, 9:27 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:11:15AM -0500, Ronald Frazier wrote:
> OK, I managed to do a little overhaul to my mythtv info page (clean it
> up for a fresh start with 0.22). I've got the patches available there
> now.
>
> http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/0.22/index.html

Based on your description, this sounds very much like how I envisioned
it could/should be done. I hope Stuart Morgan will give it serious
consideration and I will defer to him on the implementation details

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 08:39:31AM -0500, Ronald Frazier wrote:
> see the right arrow key as more convenient. It may not seem convenient
> to you, but in my eyes it's the logical thing to do. You pick your
> group, press right to drill down, pick your program, press right to
> drill down, pick your action from the menu. Makes perfect sense to me.

Bingo!

David
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Dec 31, 2009, 9:45 AM

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Re: 0.22 annoyances [In reply to]

On 12/31/2009 9:08 AM, David Engel wrote:

> Sidenote: that TiVo I started with is now 9.5 years old and still
> going strong in daily use by my Mom.

I am surprised that it has continued for so long. When one of the two
300GB hard drives in our Philips HDR112 Series 1 TiVo crashed and lost
over a years worth or recording, I was compelled by my wife to switch to
MythTV so that I could RAID the recording drives.

I liked the simple UI and hackability of the TiVo. I added a TiVoNET
card, a second drive, larger drives, and an updated kernel to support
greater than 137GB drives. However, my family and I have grown to love
the flexibility of MythTV.

We are packing to move at the moment and I found the original drive from
the Philips HDR112. I guess I forgot to give it to the person to whom I
gave the TiVo.
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Dec 31, 2009, 9:57 AM

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Re: mythexport error [In reply to]

If I go to the web interface of my mythbuntu 0.22 fixes system via http://media-server/mythexport/setup.cgi everything works fine and I can set and change the parameters for exporting but if I go to anyother page such as the default http://media-server/mythexport or http://media-server/mythexport/userjob.cgi I get the following error. The errorlog
>
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or
misconfiguration and was unable to complete
your request.

Please contact the server administrator,
webmaster [at] localhos and inform them of the time the error occurred,
and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available
in the server error log.

Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at 192.168.2.3 Port 80

The error log shows the following which appears on system startup, but doesn't seem to show anything related (by looking at the time of the event) to the above error.

December 31 11:40:25 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Can't connect to MythTV: Couldn't commu
nicate with 192.168.2.3 on port 6543: IO::Socket::INET::MythTV: connect: Connection refused
at line 86 in /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon
December 31 12:38:23 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Caught SIGTERM: exiting gracefully
December 31 12:38:23 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Stopping Processing: 1262281103
December 31 12:38:26 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[3399]: Starting Processing: 1262281106

Any ideas anyone ?

Patrick.

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patrick.marconi at live

Dec 31, 2009, 10:02 AM

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Re: mythexport error [In reply to]

I also forgot to add that I can't seem to find anyway to initiate an export in the mythtv frontend interface, the ubuntu mythexport wiki indicate it should appear as an option but it doesn't.

From: patrick.marconi [at] live
To: mythtv-users [at] mythtv
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:57:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] mythexport error

If I go to the web interface of my mythbuntu 0.22 fixes system via http://media-server/mythexport/setup.cgi everything works fine and I can set and change the parameters for exporting but if I go to anyother page such as the default http://media-server/mythexport or http://media-server/mythexport/userjob.cgi I get the following error. The errorlog
>
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or
misconfiguration and was unable to complete
your request.

Please contact the server administrator,
webmaster [at] localhos and inform them of the time the error occurred,
and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available
in the server error log.

Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at 192.168.2.3 Port 80

The error log shows the following which appears on system startup, but doesn't seem to show anything related (by looking at the time of the event) to the above error.

December 31 11:40:25 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Can't connect to MythTV: Couldn't commu
nicate with 192.168.2.3 on port 6543: IO::Socket::INET::MythTV: connect: Connection refused
at line 86 in /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon
December 31 12:38:23 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Caught SIGTERM: exiting gracefully
December 31 12:38:23 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[2144]: Stopping Processing: 1262281103
December 31 12:38:26 media-server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[3399]: Starting Processing: 1262281106

Any ideas anyone ?

Patrick.

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