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Nov 30, 2009, 10:33 AM

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hulu (flash) on ION

I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for running
flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at anything but the
lowest resolutions.

But I came across this today:
http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-flash-player-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en

Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes HD
Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.

Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.

Thanks,
J2

robert.mcnamara at gmail

Nov 30, 2009, 10:36 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM, j2u4 j2u4 <j2u44u [at] gmail> wrote:
> I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for running
> flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at anything but the
> lowest resolutions.
> But I came across this
> today: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-flash-player-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en
> Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes HD
> Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.
> Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
> myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.
> Thanks,
> J2

Probably works fine so long as you're not using Linux. There is no
Flash acceleration in Linux with any version of Flash.

Robert
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Nov 30, 2009, 10:45 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:33 PM, j2u4 j2u4 <j2u44u [at] gmail> wrote:
> I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for running
> flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at anything but the
> lowest resolutions.
> But I came across this
> today: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-flash-player-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en
> Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes HD
> Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.
> Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
> myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.
> Thanks,
> J2
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I put together an N330-based machine recently, running Ubuntu 9.10
with Flash 10.0 (not the new 10.1 beta). I can confirm that the Hulu
desktop does not work well at all. However, if I run Hulu via Boxee,
it runs very well, even for HD content, though I think it is
downsampled. I haven't been able to get the new Flash working yet,
because I'm running 64-bit Linux and the new Flash beta is 32-bit
only. I'll let you know if I manage to get the new beta running. If
you have instructions for getting the new Flash beta working on a
64-bit system, I'll be willing to try it out.

Akshat
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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Nov 30, 2009, 10:52 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Cool Frood <aaranya+mythtv [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:33 PM, j2u4 j2u4 <j2u44u [at] gmail> wrote:
>> I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for running
>> flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at anything but the
>> lowest resolutions.
>> But I came across this
>> today: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-flash-player-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en
>> Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes HD
>> Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.
>> Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
>> myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.
>> Thanks,
>> J2
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>>
>
> I put together an N330-based machine recently, running Ubuntu 9.10
> with Flash 10.0 (not the new 10.1 beta). I can confirm that the Hulu
> desktop does not work well at all. However, if I run Hulu via Boxee,
> it runs very well, even for HD content, though I think it is
> downsampled. I haven't been able to get the new Flash working yet,
> because I'm running 64-bit Linux and the new Flash beta is 32-bit
> only. I'll let you know if I manage to get the new beta running. If
> you have instructions for getting the new Flash beta working on a
> 64-bit system, I'll be willing to try it out.

Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.

Robert
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beww at beww

Nov 30, 2009, 10:54 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Monday 30 November 2009 11:33:50 am j2u4 j2u4 wrote:
> I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for
> running flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at
> anything but the lowest resolutions.
>
> But I came across this today:
> http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-
flash-playe
> r-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en
>
> Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes
HD
> Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.
>
> Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
> myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.

I'd like to see UPnP renderer/control point functionality in the frontend,
since I use PlayON to transcode Hulu (and many other sources) on the fly to
MPEG2.

Probably not the best solution, since PlayON requires running a beefy
Windows machine, but then again so do the accelerated Flash solutions, at
least so far.
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brian at interlinx

Nov 30, 2009, 10:56 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:52 -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>
> Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.

Just more of why flash and more in particular, closed-source is
generally evil. There are always second (and indeed, no!) class
citizens and in addition, citizens unable to even help themselves.

It's a grand wish indeed, but I wish flash would just die and be
replaced with the new HTML <video> support. Yeah. I did say it was a
grand wish. :-)

b,

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Nov 30, 2009, 10:57 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Robert McNamara
<robert.mcnamara [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Cool Frood <aaranya+mythtv [at] gmail> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:33 PM, j2u4 j2u4 <j2u44u [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> I've heard that FEs like the Zotac ION are probably underpowered for running
>>> flash content, especially content from the likes of Hulu at anything but the
>>> lowest resolutions.
>>> But I came across this
>>> today: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=new-adobe-flash-player-101-beta.html&Itemid=100013&lang=en
>>> Can anyone with an ION-based nettop confirm the flash 10.1 beta makes HD
>>> Hulu watchable on their system? Has anyone tried 10.1 on Linux.
>>> Hope this isn't off-topic. The n330 is so attractive to me right now as a
>>> myth frontend, but I need it to be able to do hulu too.
>>> Thanks,
>>> J2
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I put together an N330-based machine recently, running Ubuntu 9.10
>> with Flash 10.0 (not the new 10.1 beta). I can confirm that the Hulu
>> desktop does not work well at all. However, if I run Hulu via Boxee,
>> it runs very well, even for HD content, though I think it is
>> downsampled. I haven't been able to get the new Flash working yet,
>> because I'm running 64-bit Linux and the new Flash beta is 32-bit
>> only. I'll let you know if I manage to get the new beta running. If
>> you have instructions for getting the new Flash beta working on a
>> 64-bit system, I'll be willing to try it out.
>
> Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.

Linux users should register on the Adobe issue tracking site and vote
for this "Feature Request" to enable VDPAU support in the linux flash
plugin.

http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1152
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j2u44u at gmail

Nov 30, 2009, 10:57 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

Yeah, looks like it's not going to help for linux. :(

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/525931?tstart=0

J2

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Nov 30, 2009, 11:18 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, j2u4 j2u4 <j2u44u [at] gmail> wrote:
> Yeah, looks like it's not going to help for linux. :(
> http://forums.adobe.com/thread/525931?tstart=0
>
> J2
>

From what I could gather from the release notes, the new beta should
improve performance even without being able to do hardware
acceleration.
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Nov 30, 2009, 11:19 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

> From what I could gather from the release notes, the new beta should
> improve performance even without being able to do hardware
> acceleration.

This was NOT my experience.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 30, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On 11/30/2009 01:56 PM, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 10:52 -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>
>> Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.
>>
> Just more of why flash and more in particular, closed-source is
> generally evil.

After all, if it were open source, it would take developers all of about
10 minutes to add a colorspace conversion to allow the use of Xv--which
works on basically every video card in existence and means your CPU/RAM
don't have to push millions of pixels to the video card.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408596#408596

Too bad Gnash ( http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash ) will always be
playing catch-up--and, likely, will be prevented from implementing some
functionality due to patents/proprietary portions of the Flash "standard".

> There are always second (and indeed, no!) class
> citizens and in addition, citizens unable to even help themselves.
>
> It's a grand wish indeed, but I wish flash would just die and be
> replaced with the new HTML <video> support. Yeah. I did say it was a
> grand wish. :-)
>

Yeah, but open standards-based delivery means the providers have to give
up their placebo-dream of control that their "custom, built-for-purpose"
Flash-based players provide.

Mike
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Nov 30, 2009, 11:27 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On 11/30/2009 01:57 PM, Johnny Walker wrote:
> Linux users should register on the Adobe issue tracking site and vote
> for this "Feature Request" to enable VDPAU support in the linux flash
> plugin.
>
> http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1152

Why not Xv? After all, Flash is closed enough. Why make it depend on a
closed/proprietary feature of a closed/proprietary driver that only
works for a specific vendor's cards?

If nothing else, at least VA-API.

I'll bet even ION toys would do fine with just Xv support--at least with
the standard def Hulu stuff.

Mike
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Nov 30, 2009, 11:28 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.
>
> Linux users should register on the Adobe issue tracking site and vote
> for this "Feature Request" to enable VDPAU support in the linux flash
> plugin.
>
> http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1152

Wouldn't it be sufficient and generally more beneficial to have Xv support?

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Nov 30, 2009, 11:37 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric [at] lisaneric> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> Again, no version of Flash for Linux, Beta or not, is hardware accelerated.
>>
>> Linux users should register on the Adobe issue tracking site and vote
>> for this "Feature Request" to enable VDPAU support in the linux flash
>> plugin.
>>
>> http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1152
>
> Wouldn't it be sufficient and generally more beneficial to have Xv support?

I'm not qualified to say - but they have a feature request for that
too. Be sure to Vote for it.
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Nov 30, 2009, 11:51 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

Too bad nobody seems to have come up with a way to reverse-engineer
the Flash player in open-source, like they have with so many other
closed-source technologies. Though there do seem to be some projects
that purport to be able to decompile SWF to FLA, so that's a first
step.
--
Dan Wilga "Ook."
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Dec 1, 2009, 6:45 AM

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Re: hulu (flash) on ION [In reply to]

At 2:27 PM -0500 11/30/09, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>Too bad Gnash ( http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash ) will always be
>playing catch-up--and, likely, will be prevented from implementing
>some functionality due to patents/proprietary portions of the Flash
>"standard".

I didn't know about gnash; so much for my Google-fu. Does it work
with Hulu, or do they intentionally use things unsupported by gnash?
The posts I found on the topic seem to imply that it does work, or at
least did at one point.
--
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