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jerrymr at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 10:04 AM

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HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed

So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR and
replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a serial
port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR has an
IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for it in
lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use
Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the
HD-PVR sensor.

In this message:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll<http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.html>

Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR. However, I
think his examples all pertain to Fedora.

Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under
Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of
experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.

Thanks,
Jerry


jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 12:54 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:

> So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR and replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a serial port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR has an IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for it in lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the HD-PVR sensor.
>
> In this message:
>
> http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
>
> Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR. However, I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.

No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing Fedora-specific at all.

For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.

> Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.

Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the latest git head, rather than the version referenced there).

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jerrymr at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 1:02 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:

> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR and
> replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a serial
> port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR has an
> IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for it in
> lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use
> Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the
> HD-PVR sensor.
> >
> > In this message:
> >
> > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
> >
> > Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR. However,
> I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.
>
> No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing
> Fedora-specific at all.
>
> For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.
>
> > Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under
> Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of
> experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.
>
> Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the latest
> git head, rather than the version referenced there).


Excellent. Is the receiver code pretty stable at this point? I read
somewhere in my searching something about the HD-PVR becoming unresponsive
or something occasionally when using lirc with it. If this is not an issue,
that means I can go ahead and order the Revo with the knowledge that I'll be
able to get it working with not too much pain and suffering on my part.

Thanks Jarod.


jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 1:06 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR and replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a serial port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR has an IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for it in lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the HD-PVR sensor.
> >
> > In this message:
> >
> > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
> >
> > Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR. However, I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.
>
> No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing Fedora-specific at all.
>
> For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.
>
> > Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.
>
> Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the latest git head, rather than the version referenced there).
>
> Excellent. Is the receiver code pretty stable at this point? I read somewhere in my searching something about the HD-PVR becoming unresponsive or something occasionally when using lirc with it. If this is not an issue, that means I can go ahead and order the Revo with the knowledge that I'll be able to get it working with not too much pain and suffering on my part.

There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.

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jerrymr at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 1:15 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:

> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet>
> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> >
> > > So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR
> and replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a
> serial port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR
> has an IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for
> it in lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use
> Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the
> HD-PVR sensor.
> > >
> > > In this message:
> > >
> > > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
> > >
> > > Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR.
> However, I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.
> >
> > No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing
> Fedora-specific at all.
> >
> > For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.
> >
> > > Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under
> Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of
> experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.
> >
> > Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the latest
> git head, rather than the version referenced there).
> >
> > Excellent. Is the receiver code pretty stable at this point? I read
> somewhere in my searching something about the HD-PVR becoming unresponsive
> or something occasionally when using lirc with it. If this is not an issue,
> that means I can go ahead and order the Revo with the knowledge that I'll be
> able to get it working with not too much pain and suffering on my part.
>
> There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
> recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not
> sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at
> this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the
> moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.


Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?

Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?

Is there any way to prevent polling, and what implications does that have?


jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 1:21 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> >
> > > So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR and replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a serial port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR has an IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for it in lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the HD-PVR sensor.
> > >
> > > In this message:
> > >
> > > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
> > >
> > > Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR. However, I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.
> >
> > No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing Fedora-specific at all.
> >
> > For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.
> >
> > > Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working under Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.
> >
> > Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the latest git head, rather than the version referenced there).
> >
> > Excellent. Is the receiver code pretty stable at this point? I read somewhere in my searching something about the HD-PVR becoming unresponsive or something occasionally when using lirc with it. If this is not an issue, that means I can go ahead and order the Revo with the knowledge that I'll be able to get it working with not too much pain and suffering on my part.
>
> There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
>
> Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?

Yes.

> Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?

If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.

> Is there any way to prevent polling,

Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven. (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was though).

> and what implications does that have?

Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going to see any incoming IR signals.

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jerrymr at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 1:58 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:

> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet>
> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet>
> wrote:
> > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> > >
> > > > So I've been planning my upgrade to 0.22, along with adding an HD-PVR
> and replacing my frontend hardware with a Revo. The Revo doesn't have a
> serial port, so my IR sensor will no longer be usable. However, the HD-PVR
> has an IR sensor built-in, and from what I can gather, there is support for
> it in lirc, but this support is kind of an in-progress thing. I want to use
> Mythbuntu for my myth system, and upgrade the lirc drivers to handle the
> HD-PVR sensor.
> > > >
> > > > In this message:
> > > >
> > > > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-September/263197.htmll
> > > >
> > > > Jarod talks about ways to upgrade lirc to work with the HD-PVR.
> However, I think his examples all pertain to Fedora.
> > >
> > > No. Everything after option 1 there pertains to Linux, nothing
> Fedora-specific at all.
> > >
> > > For Fedora 12 though, it should all Just Work, right out of the box.
> > >
> > > > Does anyone have advice on what route to take to get this working
> under Mythbuntu? I have some, but not a lot (and not in several years), of
> experience with kernel rebuilding, if that ends up being necessary.
> > >
> > > Its not. See option 3 in the url you referenced. (but I'd use the
> latest git head, rather than the version referenced there).
> > >
> > > Excellent. Is the receiver code pretty stable at this point? I read
> somewhere in my searching something about the HD-PVR becoming unresponsive
> or something occasionally when using lirc with it. If this is not an issue,
> that means I can go ahead and order the Revo with the knowledge that I'll be
> able to get it working with not too much pain and suffering on my part.
> >
> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
> recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not
> sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at
> this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the
> moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
> >
> > Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
>
> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
>
> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
>
> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven. (Not
> even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was
> though).
>
> > and what implications does that have?
>
> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going to
> see any incoming IR signals.


Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc users
or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it. Fair
enough. It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no answer. I
still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience the same
thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.

When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't
functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?

-Jerry


jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 2:13 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:

> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
> >
> > Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
>
> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
>
> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
>
> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven. (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was though).
>
> > and what implications does that have?
>
> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going to see any incoming IR signals.
>
> Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it.

Correct.

> Fair enough. It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no answer. I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.

Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the hdpvr driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options enabled.

> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?

The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed, rendering the receiver non-functional.

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johnnyjboss at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 2:16 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
>> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
>> >
>> > Hmmm.  Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
>>
>> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
>>
>> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
>>
>> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven. (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was though).
>>
>> > and what implications does that have?
>>
>> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going to see any incoming IR signals.
>>
>> Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it.
>
> Correct.
>
>> Fair enough.  It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no answer.  I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.
>
> Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the hdpvr driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options enabled.
>
>> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't functioning or the hardware/firmware?  Or unknown?
>
> The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed, rendering the receiver non-functional.

I have the HD-PVR and I don't use the lirc_zilog - opting instead to
control my STB with Firewire.

The lirc_zilog is only needed if you want to use the IR receiver
portion of the HD-PVR.

Since my HD-PVR is on a dedicated backend unit I don't need IR to work
on that box.

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>
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jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 2:26 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Johnny Walker wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>>
...
>>
>>> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?
>>
>> The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed, rendering the receiver non-functional.
>
> I have the HD-PVR and I don't use the lirc_zilog - opting instead to
> control my STB with Firewire.

Yep. I do the same. Well, actually, its not even hooked up right now, since clear QAM and a digital to analog adapter cover 99% of the stuff I care enough about to record...

> The lirc_zilog is only needed if you want to use the IR receiver
> portion of the HD-PVR.

Or the transmitter portion.


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jerrymr at gmail

Nov 24, 2009, 2:49 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:

> On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>
> > > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
> recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not
> sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at
> this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the
> moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
> > >
> > > Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
> >
> > If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
> >
> > > Is there any way to prevent polling,
> >
> > Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven. (Not
> even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was
> though).
> >
> > > and what implications does that have?
> >
> > Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going to
> see any incoming IR signals.
> >
> > Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc
> users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it.
>
> Correct.
>
> > Fair enough. It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no
> answer. I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience
> the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.
>
> Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the
> moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the hdpvr
> driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options
> enabled.
>
> > When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't
> functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?
>
> The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If
> it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed,
> rendering the receiver non-functional.


I mean to say, do you mean the problem is that the lirc driver stopped
polling or the box stopped responding to the polls. It sounds from your
first comment though that you don't have enough data to say which it is.

I'll be happy to compile both drivers with debug info. It'll likely be a
week or three before the hardware gets here and I have everything to the
point where I can do that.

-Jerry


jarod at wilsonet

Nov 24, 2009, 6:34 PM

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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Nov 24, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:

> > The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed, rendering the receiver non-functional.
>
> I mean to say, do you mean the problem is that the lirc driver stopped polling or the box stopped responding to the polls. It sounds from your first comment though that you don't have enough data to say which it is.

My understanding is that in-progress recordings simply halt, and the thing is unable to record anymore until a reboot. Not sure if the IR part is also hung at that point.

> I'll be happy to compile both drivers with debug info. It'll likely be a week or three before the hardware gets here and I have everything to the point where I can do that.

Don't need to compile with any special debug options, just load the modules with their respective debug=x module parameters.

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:14 PM

Post #13 of 15 (917 views)
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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> >
> >> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
> recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not
> sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at
> this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the
> moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
> >>
> >> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
> >>
> >> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
> >>
> >> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven.
> (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was
> though).
> >>
> >> > and what implications does that have?
> >>
> >> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going
> to see any incoming IR signals.
> >>
> >> Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc
> users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >> Fair enough. It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no
> answer. I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience
> the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.
> >
> > Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the
> moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the hdpvr
> driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options
> enabled.
> >
> >> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't
> functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?
> >
> > The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived. If
> it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed,
> rendering the receiver non-functional.
>
> I have the HD-PVR and I don't use the lirc_zilog - opting instead to
> control my STB with Firewire.
>
> The lirc_zilog is only needed if you want to use the IR receiver
> portion of the HD-PVR.
>
> Since my HD-PVR is on a dedicated backend unit I don't need IR to work
> on that box.
>

But my question was about the receiver, not the blaster. Like you, I've
been using firewire for STB control for years. Hey wait a second, the Revo
doesn't have firewire! ....now see there's the problem with planning
hardware upgrades in your head. I just realized that the Revo will not be
in the same room as the STB, so it doesn't matter that it doesn't have
firewire. The STB will be near the HD-PVR, which will be attached to the
backend in the basement. What was I thinking? I have no use for the Revo's
IR receiver, and can use the backend's firewire to change the STB channel,
so no use for blaster either.

I guess I won't have the problem I thought I would.

Thanks, Johnny.

-Jerry


johnnyjboss at gmail

Nov 25, 2009, 8:03 AM

Post #14 of 15 (909 views)
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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Jerry Rubinow <jerrymr [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet> wrote:
>> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
>> >
>> >> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
>> >> > recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver, yes. Not
>> >> > sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog driver at
>> >> > this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at the
>> >> > moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hmmm.  Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of lirc_zilog?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >>
>> >> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
>> >>
>> >> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
>> >>
>> >> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
>> >>
>> >> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven.
>> >> (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if it was
>> >> though).
>> >>
>> >> > and what implications does that have?
>> >>
>> >> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not going
>> >> to see any incoming IR signals.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc
>> >> users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into it.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> >
>> >> Fair enough.  It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than no
>> >> answer.  I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I experience
>> >> the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.
>> >
>> > Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the
>> > moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the hdpvr
>> > driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options
>> > enabled.
>> >
>> >> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver isn't
>> >> functioning or the hardware/firmware?  Or unknown?
>> >
>> > The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived.
>> > If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was pressed,
>> > rendering the receiver non-functional.
>>
>> I have the HD-PVR and I don't use the lirc_zilog - opting instead to
>> control my STB with Firewire.
>>
>> The lirc_zilog is only needed if you want to use the IR receiver
>> portion of the HD-PVR.
>>
>> Since my HD-PVR is on a dedicated backend unit I don't need IR to work
>> on that box.
>
> But my question was about the receiver, not the blaster.  Like you, I've
> been using firewire for STB control for years.   Hey wait a second, the Revo
> doesn't have firewire!   ....now see there's the problem with planning
> hardware upgrades in your head.  I just realized that the Revo will not be
> in the same room as the STB, so it doesn't matter that it doesn't have
> firewire.  The STB will be near the HD-PVR, which will be attached to the
> backend in the basement.  What was I thinking?  I have no use for the Revo's
> IR receiver, and can use the backend's firewire to change the STB channel,
> so no use for blaster either.
> I guess I won't have the problem I thought I would.
> Thanks, Johnny.

Sounds great - let me know how your Revo works out and which model you
get. I'm wanting one but I'm waiting until Amazon has them again.
(Amazon themselves, not a reseller through Amazon)

-JohnnyJboss


> -Jerry
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Nov 25, 2009, 8:13 AM

Post #15 of 15 (911 views)
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Re: HD-PVR as IR receiver under Mythbuntu, advice needed [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Jerry Rubinow <jerrymr [at] gmail> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Johnny Walker <johnnyjboss [at] gmail>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod [at] wilsonet>
> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Jerry Rubinow wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > There are reports of the unit essentially locking itself up during
> >> >> > recording if the ir part is being polled by the lirc_zilog driver,
> yes. Not
> >> >> > sure if that's an issue with the hdpvr driver or the lirc_zilog
> driver at
> >> >> > this point. I don't actually use my hdpvr for much of anything at
> the
> >> >> > moment, and haven't had time to dig into it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hmmm. Does use of the HD-PVR receiver necessitate use of
> lirc_zilog?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Is lirc_zilog always polling the IR?
> >> >>
> >> >> If loaded and bound to the hdpvr, yes.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Is there any way to prevent polling,
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't load lirc_zilog, or rewrite lirc_zilog to be interrupt-driven.
> >> >> (Not even sure if that's possible... It'd definitely be preferred if
> it was
> >> >> though).
> >> >>
> >> >> > and what implications does that have?
> >> >>
> >> >> Non-functional IR receiver. If you're not polling it, you're not
> going
> >> >> to see any incoming IR signals.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds like it's unknown whether this lockup affects all HD-PVR+lirc
> >> >> users or what the frequency is, or when you'll have time to look into
> it.
> >> >
> >> > Correct.
> >> >
> >> >> Fair enough. It's not the answer I was hoping for, but better than
> no
> >> >> answer. I still think I'll go ahead and get the Revo, and if I
> experience
> >> >> the same thing and it isn't too hard, I'll try to help debug it.
> >> >
> >> > Any and all help doing so would be much appreciated. However, at the
> >> > moment, I'm not quite sure where to start, other than running both the
> hdpvr
> >> > driver and lirc_zilog driver with full-blown module debugging options
> >> > enabled.
> >> >
> >> >> When you say "non-functional IR receiver", do you mean the driver
> isn't
> >> >> functioning or the hardware/firmware? Or unknown?
> >> >
> >> > The driver has to poll the IR chip to see if a new signal has arrived.
> >> > If it doesn't poll the IR chip, you'll never know that a button was
> pressed,
> >> > rendering the receiver non-functional.
> >>
> >> I have the HD-PVR and I don't use the lirc_zilog - opting instead to
> >> control my STB with Firewire.
> >>
> >> The lirc_zilog is only needed if you want to use the IR receiver
> >> portion of the HD-PVR.
> >>
> >> Since my HD-PVR is on a dedicated backend unit I don't need IR to work
> >> on that box.
> >
> > But my question was about the receiver, not the blaster. Like you, I've
> > been using firewire for STB control for years. Hey wait a second, the
> Revo
> > doesn't have firewire! ....now see there's the problem with planning
> > hardware upgrades in your head. I just realized that the Revo will not
> be
> > in the same room as the STB, so it doesn't matter that it doesn't have
> > firewire. The STB will be near the HD-PVR, which will be attached to the
> > backend in the basement. What was I thinking? I have no use for the
> Revo's
> > IR receiver, and can use the backend's firewire to change the STB
> channel,
> > so no use for blaster either.
> > I guess I won't have the problem I thought I would.
> > Thanks, Johnny.
>
> Sounds great - let me know how your Revo works out and which model you
> get. I'm wanting one but I'm waiting until Amazon has them again.
> (Amazon themselves, not a reseller through Amazon)
>

I'm ordering the AR1600, from newegg for $200.

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