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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 21, 2009, 10:16 PM

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Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22

Hey,

I've been looking for some time to install a satellite dish to receive
some FTA. I was recommended the multytenne dish(1) because it offers me
a relative small dish but still the possibility to tune to 4 satellites.
The only information I can find about it in combination with MythTV is
that there were some problems but also that things might have changed
with 0.22.

I'm looking for experiences other users have with this dish and would
like to know if it works ok now.

Thanks in advance,

Jos Hoekstra

1: http://www.technisat.com/index22c9.html?nav=External_units,en,54-30-50
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fairlane at springcom

Nov 22, 2009, 6:02 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I've been looking for some time to install a satellite dish to receive
> some FTA. I was recommended the multytenne dish(1) because it offers
> me a relative small dish but still the possibility to tune to 4
> satellites. The only information I can find about it in combination
> with MythTV is that there were some problems but also that things
> might have changed with 0.22.
>
> I'm looking for experiences other users have with this dish and would
> like to know if it works ok now.
Well, I for one have been dying to get FTA feeds into my mythbox, since
there's content on the wild feeds that's simply not available anywhere else.
The big problem I've not been able to solve is the program guide data.
Myth really needs that to work properly. To the best of my knowledge, that
data isn't available anywhere. A potential workaround might be to
locate individual channels that might be carried by other services, and
add that channel
data to your scheduler data, then change the database to record using
the proper source, but it's too kludgy for my tastes.
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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 22, 2009, 8:29 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Mark schreef op 22-11-2009 15:02:
> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> I've been looking for some time to install a satellite dish to receive
>> some FTA. I was recommended the multytenne dish(1) because it offers
>> me a relative small dish but still the possibility to tune to 4
>> satellites. The only information I can find about it in combination
>> with MythTV is that there were some problems but also that things
>> might have changed with 0.22.
>>
>> I'm looking for experiences other users have with this dish and would
>> like to know if it works ok now.
> Well, I for one have been dying to get FTA feeds into my mythbox, since
> there's content on the wild feeds that's simply not available anywhere
> else.
> The big problem I've not been able to solve is the program guide data.
> Myth really needs that to work properly. To the best of my knowledge, that
> data isn't available anywhere. A potential workaround might be to
> locate individual channels that might be carried by other services, and
> add that channel
> data to your scheduler data, then change the database to record using
> the proper source, but it's too kludgy for my tastes.

Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams. I
use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....

Other people experiences with this dish?

Regards,

Jos Hoekstra
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belcampo at zonnet

Nov 22, 2009, 9:59 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> Mark schreef op 22-11-2009 15:02:
>> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I've been looking for some time to install a satellite dish to
>>> receive some FTA. I was recommended the multytenne dish(1) because it
>>> offers me a relative small dish but still the possibility to tune to
>>> 4 satellites. The only information I can find about it in combination
>>> with MythTV is that there were some problems but also that things
>>> might have changed with 0.22.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for experiences other users have with this dish and would
>>> like to know if it works ok now.
>> Well, I for one have been dying to get FTA feeds into my mythbox,
>> since there's content on the wild feeds that's simply not available
>> anywhere else.
>> The big problem I've not been able to solve is the program guide
>> data. Myth really needs that to work properly. To the best of my
>> knowledge, that
>> data isn't available anywhere. A potential workaround might be to
>> locate individual channels that might be carried by other services,
>> and add that channel
>> data to your scheduler data, then change the database to record using
>> the proper source, but it's too kludgy for my tastes.
>
> Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
> For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams. I
> use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....
>
> Other people experiences with this dish?
Most of the time, for Dutch and English/BBC only current/next data, so I
've to use tv_grab_nl.py to get it complete for 7/8 days.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Hoekstra
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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 22, 2009, 11:59 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

belcampo schreef op 22-11-2009 18:59:
>> Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
>> For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams.
>> I use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....
>>
>> Other people experiences with this dish?
> Most of the time, for Dutch and English/BBC only current/next data, so I
> 've to use tv_grab_nl.py to get it complete for 7/8 days.

Still no experience with a satellite dish? :s

The DVB-T data goes about 3 days for me, I also use the other grabber
for data longer ahead.
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fairlane at springcom

Nov 22, 2009, 12:49 PM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>
> Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
> For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams.
> I use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....
Ok, I went and googled this. I saw 'FTA' and assumed you were rolling
your own. Is there a special service you can use with this dish setup?
I wasn't able to find much info actually. Most of the FTA stuff here in
the USA uses dishes you setup with boxes per satellite or with diseqc
switches with multi dishes/lnbs or a hyperbolic dish setup. EIT data is
a little tougher to get on US satellite feeds. My apologies for assuming.
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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 23, 2009, 4:55 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Mark schreef op 22-11-2009 21:49:
> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>>
>> Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
>> For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams.
>> I use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....
> Ok, I went and googled this. I saw 'FTA' and assumed you were rolling
> your own. Is there a special service you can use with this dish setup?
> I wasn't able to find much info actually. Most of the FTA stuff here in
> the USA uses dishes you setup with boxes per satellite or with diseqc
> switches with multi dishes/lnbs or a hyperbolic dish setup. EIT data is
> a little tougher to get on US satellite feeds. My apologies for assuming.

No worries :)
Should've put the country(which is NL) in there as well ;)
In NL you got the possibility to use several FTA-channels like BBC
regional(for NL) and a lot of German public channels.
These channels however are scattered across a couple of satellites,
Astra 1,2,3 and Hotbird. A Mutytenne dish promises to be able to receive
those with a relative small dish, but I've heard that there might be
troubles with it under Linux.

That's why I'm looking for experiences of people who use this dish with
mythtv.

Regards,

Jos Hoekstra
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belcampo at zonnet

Nov 23, 2009, 5:57 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> Mark schreef op 22-11-2009 21:49:
>> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>>>
>>> Ehm, do you have experience using a multytenne dish?
>>> For the guidedata you could use the enclosed EIT-data of the streams.
>>> I use that for DVB-T now and it pretty much just works....
>> Ok, I went and googled this. I saw 'FTA' and assumed you were rolling
>> your own. Is there a special service you can use with this dish setup?
>> I wasn't able to find much info actually. Most of the FTA stuff here
>> in the USA uses dishes you setup with boxes per satellite or with diseqc
>> switches with multi dishes/lnbs or a hyperbolic dish setup. EIT data
>> is a little tougher to get on US satellite feeds. My apologies for
>> assuming.
>
> No worries :)
> Should've put the country(which is NL) in there as well ;)
> In NL you got the possibility to use several FTA-channels like BBC
> regional(for NL) and a lot of German public channels.
> These channels however are scattered across a couple of satellites,
> Astra 1,2,3 and Hotbird. A Mutytenne dish promises to be able to receive
> those with a relative small dish, but I've heard that there might be
> troubles with it under Linux.
>
> That's why I'm looking for experiences of people who use this dish with
> mythtv.
I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5 BBC
World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV etc)
works like a charm.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Hoekstra
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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 23, 2009, 6:45 AM

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belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5 BBC
> World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV etc)
> works like a charm.

With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
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mikep at randomtraveller

Nov 23, 2009, 8:45 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5
>> BBC World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV
>> etc) works like a charm.
>
> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
>
Multiple LNBs/multiple feeds, if I read belcampo right. From the web page you
linked, it appears that the multytenne has a single feed, which means you can
only record from one sat at any time.

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:08 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Mike Perkins
<mikep [at] randomtraveller>wrote:

> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>
>> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>>
>>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5 BBC
>>> World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV etc) works
>>> like a charm.
>>>
>>
>> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
>>
>> Multiple LNBs/multiple feeds, if I read belcampo right. From the web page
> you linked, it appears that the multytenne has a single feed, which means
> you can only record from one sat at any time.
>
> --
>
>
I read it as "4 parallel (sats/feeds), combined into 1 coax". Does sound a
little too good to be true though :)

I'm using DVB-S on 28.2 only, and find the channels under the "Freesat"
banner, ie BBC, ITV all give 7-8 days EIT data. It's only the non-freesat
(LuxeTV, various news crap), you are lucky to get now/next.

/hERB

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joshoekstra at gmx

Nov 23, 2009, 9:28 AM

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Re: Multytenne Dish and MythTV 0.22 [In reply to]

Mike Perkins schreef op 23-11-2009 17:45:
> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5
>>> BBC World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV
>>> etc) works like a charm.
>>
>> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
>>
> Multiple LNBs/multiple feeds, if I read belcampo right. From the web
> page you linked, it appears that the multytenne has a single feed, which
> means you can only record from one sat at any time.
>
2 variations:
quad-lnb-builtin disecg 1 output
quad-lnb-builtin disecq 2 output

The attractiveness of this dish would be that it's relatively small(ie
around 45x45 + LNB) and that it has a (fixed) astra 1,2,3 + hotbird
setup. In other words, small dish, so no complaining neighbours(I live
in an appartment) and the possibilities I need/want.

However I can only find troubles with this, the disecq switch not
working being one of them. That would defeat the whole purpose of this
dish...

So, any users out there with this dish?
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Nov 23, 2009, 1:43 PM

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Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5
>> BBC World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV
>> etc) works like a charm.
>
> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
a triax 2-LNB and a Visiosat G4 Quadro. Further I know of a local
Radio/TV-shop which has the multytenne dish, you mentioned, have seen it
at that shop working fine.
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Nov 24, 2009, 12:43 AM

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belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 22:43:
> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5
>>> BBC World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV
>>> etc) works like a charm.
>>
>> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
> a triax 2-LNB and a Visiosat G4 Quadro. Further I know of a local
> Radio/TV-shop which has the multytenne dish, you mentioned, have seen it
> at that shop working fine.

The thing is that I only read reports of people having trouble switching
the built-in disecq switch and thus only able to use 1 LNB.
It's supposed to work with so-called linux-stb's like dreambox, but
I'like to use it with mythbuntu.

Otherwise I'll have to make a deal with the reseller or something...
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Nov 24, 2009, 2:24 AM

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Jos Hoekstra wrote:
> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 22:43:
>> Jos Hoekstra wrote:
>>> belcampo schreef op 23-11-2009 14:57:
>>>> I've got multiple LNB's 1 on Astra 19.2 (NED123 ARD ZDF WDR Arte TV5
>>>> BBC World etc.) and Astra 28.2 (BBC 1-2-3 Four HD, Channel Five, ITV
>>>> etc) works like a charm.
>>>
>>> With a multytenne dish or something like triax?
>> a triax 2-LNB and a Visiosat G4 Quadro. Further I know of a local
>> Radio/TV-shop which has the multytenne dish, you mentioned, have seen
>> it at that shop working fine.
>
> The thing is that I only read reports of people having trouble switching
> the built-in disecq switch and thus only able to use 1 LNB.
I know that mythtv in some situations, DVB-S card-disecq combo's
had/have troubles, but that's more of a mythtv-DVB-S section problem
than something else. My mythtv version myth-trunk-15965, so very old,
with a Terratec Cinergy works fine. I already have for more than a year
a few Technotrend 3200 DVB-S2 cards for which I need a newer version of
mythtv, which DIDN'T/DOESN'T work reliable. Althought the same card
works perfect with Kaffeine. I haven't tried for the last 3-4 months to
see how the situation is at the moment.
I don't know what 'built-in disecq' means, but normally one gets 1 dish
with an holder for 2, 3 or 4 LNB's which are single, duo or quad, where
the output of those LNB's goes to a disecq switch. At least this is the
only way I have seen it. 1 disecq switch gets the cable from the LNB's
and the output goes to your stb or DVB-S card in the PC.
I had a look at
http://www.technisat.de/indexf014.html?nav=Au%C3%9Fenanlagen,de,54-30-65
and saw what 'built-in disecq' means. All is integrated in 1 housing.
But it works according to Disecq 1.0 which every stb and pc-card
honours, so I don't see any reason why this wouldn't work.
> It's supposed to work with so-called linux-stb's like dreambox, but
> I'like to use it with mythbuntu.
>
> Otherwise I'll have to make a deal with the reseller or something...
Always wise to do.
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