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fairlane at springcom

Nov 20, 2009, 4:22 PM

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OT: Nokia N900

I know it's OT, but it' *Kinda* counts as on topic too.

The Nokia N900 linux phone has been released, is anyone going to pick up
one? I wonder if the myth frontend controller will be ported to Maemo 5?
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memoryguy at gmail

Nov 21, 2009, 6:01 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 19:22, Mark <fairlane [at] springcom> wrote:
>
> The Nokia N900 linux phone has been released, is anyone going to pick up
> one? 狢 wonder if the myth frontend controller will be ported to Maemo 5?

Assuming they release one that will work (well) with the Canadian
frequencies, absolutely... I got an N810 after reading the discussions
on this list a year or two ago, and I love it.

I imagine it might be "easier" to port the UI to Maemo 6, since it
(reportedly) will be Qt-based, I think. Although there is an existing
port that is supposed to work on the N800/N810 (Maemo 4). I never
tried it, though... looked like too many dependencies to install ;-)

aaron
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Nov 21, 2009, 6:58 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

Aaron, can you send me the link to the nokia n8x0 interface you are using?
Vcan you browse the epg on the device without referring to the playback
screen?

Thanks

R

Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile
phone.

Thanks and regards,
Richard Morton
07899750400

On 21 Nov 2009 14:02, "aaron" <memoryguy [at] gmail> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 19:22, Mark <fairlane [at] springcom> wrote: > > The
Nokia N900 linux phone h...
Assuming they release one that will work (well) with the Canadian
frequencies, absolutely... I got an N810 after reading the discussions
on this list a year or two ago, and I love it.

I imagine it might be "easier" to port the UI to Maemo 6, since it
(reportedly) will be Qt-based, I think. Although there is an existing
port that is supposed to work on the N800/N810 (Maemo 4). I never
tried it, though... looked like too many dependencies to install ;-)

aaron

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memoryguy at gmail

Nov 21, 2009, 7:40 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:58, Richard Morton
<richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:
> Aaron, can you send me the link to the nokia n8x0 interface you are using?
> Vcan you browse the epg on the device without referring to the playback
> screen?
>

Hi Richard,

I haven't actually used it myself, but I think this is what I was talking about:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18270

I looked into it at one point, but I think it required Qt and MySQL to
be installed, plus a list of other stuff a kilometre (I'm Canadian ;-)
) long. I had my doubts it would fit well in the device's limited root
FS, and I still haven't been brave enough to try cloning the OS to an
SD card.

As far as I understand it was a port of the "true" interface...
meaning it would function as a distinct frontend, presumably trying to
display the video locally on the device. Around the time I got the
device I thought it would be cool to have an interface that could be
run on the device to select a recording (or whatever) and then have it
play on the main TV frontend, similar to what someone (you?) outlined
a little while back.

aaron
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Nov 21, 2009, 8:15 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

Interesting stuff.

I would think it is fairly trivial to hack the code to a) open a menu of
front ends on startup
b) open tv guide not live tv when selecting live tv
c) instead of starting local playback (through program guide, mythmusic or
mythvideo) connect to remote frontend using telnet and starting playback
And then a little less trivial d) create an on screen remote control for
remaining functions

Even better would be to enable local and remote control paradigms...

This would take this interface way way beyond mythtomer which from what I
remember was a simple remote control interface on a tablet which doesn't use
a tablets strengths or able to show dynamic content on the tablet.

There of course would be other work, but this would be soooo cool.

Unfortunately that post is 2 years old and I am on a mobile device, is the
project still active?

R

Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile
phone.

Thanks and regards,
Richard Morton
07899750400

On 21 Nov 2009 15:41, "aaron" <memoryguy [at] gmail> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:58, Richard Morton <richard.e.morton [at] gmail>
wrote: > Aaron, can you s...
Hi Richard,

I haven't actually used it myself, but I think this is what I was talking
about:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18270

I looked into it at one point, but I think it required Qt and MySQL to
be installed, plus a list of other stuff a kilometre (I'm Canadian ;-)
) long. I had my doubts it would fit well in the device's limited root
FS, and I still haven't been brave enough to try cloning the OS to an
SD card.

As far as I understand it was a port of the "true" interface...
meaning it would function as a distinct frontend, presumably trying to
display the video locally on the device. Around the time I got the
device I thought it would be cool to have an interface that could be
run on the device to select a recording (or whatever) and then have it
play on the main TV frontend, similar to what someone (you?) outlined
a little while back.

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fairlane at springcom

Nov 21, 2009, 9:21 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

aaron wrote:
>
> Assuming they release one that will work (well) with the Canadian
> frequencies, absolutely... I got an N810 after reading the discussions
> on this list a year or two ago, and I love it.
>
> I imagine it might be "easier" to port the UI to Maemo 6, since it
> (reportedly) will be Qt-based, I think. Although there is an existing
> port that is supposed to work on the N800/N810 (Maemo 4). I never
> tried it, though... looked like too many dependencies to install ;-)
>
> aaron
> _______________________________________________
>
I've got an N800 and Love it. I don't see a lot of work being done to
port maemo5 to the previous ones though. BIG hardware changes.
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Nov 21, 2009, 9:45 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:21, Mark <fairlane [at] springcom> wrote:
>
> I've got an N800 and Love it. 狢 don't see a lot of work being done to port
> maemo5 to the previous ones though. 泎IG hardware changes.

Getting OT, but yeah, I agree. I haven't looked into what the Mer
project have accomplished, but without hardware acceleration support I
can't imagine it being very responsive...

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:49 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:15, Richard Morton
<richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:
> Interesting stuff.
>
> I would think it is fairly trivial to hack the code to a) open a menu of
> front ends on startup
> b) open tv guide not live tv when selecting live tv
> c) instead of starting local playback (through program guide, mythmusic or
> mythvideo) connect to remote frontend using telnet and starting playback
> And then a little less trivial d) create an on screen remote control for
> remaining functions

This might (possibly) even allow the "tablet version" to drop a lot of
the frontend's code if all it needs to do is control what will be
displayed on another frontend. Which in turn could decrease the number
of dependencies to install... :)

>
> This would take this interface way way beyond mythtomer which from what I
> remember was a simple remote control interface on a tablet which doesn't use
> a tablets strengths or able to show dynamic content on the tablet.

While reading the first part of your message, I was thinking about
mythtomer for the control, but then you mentioned it :) I have it
installed but almost never use it; I find the remote displayed on the
tablet's screen to be nearly unusable (the arrow keys, in particular,
are in a very awkward arrangement). And I agree, it doesn't take
advantage of the nature of the device.

>
> Unfortunately that post is 2 years old and I am on a mobile device, is the
> project still active?

The timestamps on the downloadable files in garage are dated March
2008, so it looks like not much work has been done in a while. Is a
shame. :(

aaron
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gary.dawes at gmail

Nov 21, 2009, 10:08 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

2009/11/21 aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail>

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:58, Richard Morton
> <richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Aaron, can you send me the link to the nokia n8x0 interface you are
> using?
> > Vcan you browse the epg on the device without referring to the playback
> > screen?
> >
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I haven't actually used it myself, but I think this is what I was talking
> about:
>
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18270
>
> I looked into it at one point, but I think it required Qt and MySQL to
> be installed, plus a list of other stuff a kilometre (I'm Canadian ;-)
> ) long. I had my doubts it would fit well in the device's limited root
> FS, and I still haven't been brave enough to try cloning the OS to an
> SD card.
>
> As far as I understand it was a port of the "true" interface...
> meaning it would function as a distinct frontend, presumably trying to
> display the video locally on the device. Around the time I got the
> device I thought it would be cool to have an interface that could be
> run on the device to select a recording (or whatever) and then have it
> play on the main TV frontend, similar to what someone (you?) outlined
> a little while back.
>
> aaron
> _______________________________________________
>
It was a port of the frontend to the N8x0 (Maemo4), with the required
dependancies, but no plugins such as music or video.

It works great actually, even video! Doesn't use much space up either.

the only real issue for me was that all my recordings needed to be
transcoded down to play on the tablet, and that mad them look crap on the
telly!

Gaz

richard.e.morton at gmail

Nov 21, 2009, 11:32 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

Yeah, it would need on the fly transcoding to the right size and codec for
the device requiring extension tot the protocol and much backend work I
would think.

Changing it to be a control interface would appeal to many more users (I
would think) and would meet many of the design goals of mythwebmote that was
proposed a few month ago (disclosure: it was proposed by me and others).

Taking .22 porting it to maemo which is also qt based I believe and
disabling local playback until the backend supported the required onthefly
transcoding and updating it to support control rather than playback....

Is the developer of this maemo port on this list?

R

Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile
phone.

Thanks and regards,
Richard Morton

On 21 Nov 2009 18:08, "Gary Dawes" <gary.dawes [at] gmail> wrote:

2009/11/21 aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail>

> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:58, Richard Morton > <
richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote: > > Aaron, ...
It was a port of the frontend to the N8x0 (Maemo4), with the required
dependancies, but no plugins such as music or video.

It works great actually, even video! Doesn't use much space up either.

the only real issue for me was that all my recordings needed to be
transcoded down to play on the tablet, and that mad them look crap on the
telly!

Gaz

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newbury at mandamus

Nov 21, 2009, 7:45 PM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

Richard Morton wrote:
> Interesting stuff.
>
> I would think it is fairly trivial to hack the code to a) open a menu of
> front ends on startup
> b) open tv guide not live tv when selecting live tv
> c) instead of starting local playback (through program guide, mythmusic
> or mythvideo) connect to remote frontend using telnet and starting playback
> And then a little less trivial d) create an on screen remote control for
> remaining functions
>
> Even better would be to enable local and remote control paradigms...
>
> This would take this interface way way beyond mythtomer which from what
> I remember was a simple remote control interface on a tablet which
> doesn't use a tablets strengths or able to show dynamic content on the
> tablet.
>
> There of course would be other work, but this would be soooo cool.
>
> Unfortunately that post is 2 years old and I am on a mobile device, is
> the project still active?
>
> R
>
> Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile
> phone.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Richard Morton
> 07899750400
>
>
>
>> On 21 Nov 2009 15:41, "aaron" <memoryguy [at] gmail
>> <mailto:memoryguy [at] gmail>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:58, Richard Morton
>> <richard.e.morton [at] gmail <mailto:richard.e.morton [at] gmail>>
>> wrote: > Aaron, can you s...
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> I haven't actually used it myself, but I think this is what I was
>> talking about:
>>
>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18270
>>
>> I looked into it at one point, but I think it required Qt and MySQL to
>> be installed, plus a list of other stuff a kilometre (I'm Canadian ;-)
>> ) long. I had my doubts it would fit well in the device's limited root
>> FS, and I still haven't been brave enough to try cloning the OS to an
>> SD card.
>>
>> As far as I understand it was a port of the "true" interface...
>> meaning it would function as a distinct frontend, presumably trying to
>> display the video locally on the device. Around the time I got the
>> device I thought it would be cool to have an interface that could be
>> run on the device to select a recording (or whatever) and then have it
>> play on the main TV frontend, similar to what someone (you?) outlined
>> a little while back.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

If you are looking for a remote, there is mythetomer which uses
bluetooth or wireless, together with the telnet interface, to make your
N8X0 into a reasonably capable remote.
There is also MythMote if you have an iPhone...

Hmm that give's me 4 remotes!

Geoff

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:48 PM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

Mark wrote:
> aaron wrote:
>>
>> Assuming they release one that will work (well) with the Canadian
>> frequencies, absolutely... I got an N810 after reading the discussions
>> on this list a year or two ago, and I love it.

The N900 is GSM so it should work with Rogers (Fido). And I recently
read somewhere that Bell is now adding GSM capability. It had to in
order to carry the iPhone.

Geoff

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eric at lisaneric

Nov 21, 2009, 8:51 PM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Richard Morton
<richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:
> Changing it to be a control interface would appeal to many more users (I
> would think)

Not to me. I already have a remote and don't feel any need to use my
cell phone as one.

On the other hand, a mobile frontend has real appeal. Especially if
there was an "offline" mode where you could pre-cache some content and
run without a connection to the backend. But even without that,
having access to MythMusic while doing chores around the house would
be really nice.

Eric
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Nov 21, 2009, 9:58 PM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Richard Morton
<richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:
> Yeah, it would need on the fly transcoding to the right size and codec for
> the device requiring extension tot the protocol and much backend work I
> would think.

Of course, this would be generally useful beyond the scope of cell phones.

I'd imagine that many people have some HD capable front ends and some
front ends which are SD only. Being able to transcode HD down to SD
on the fly would be good in these situations.

Eric
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Nov 22, 2009, 10:41 AM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

I agree mythmusic on the n800 is great and I use it already via upnp.
However transcoding of videos would have a much more limited appeal due to
the need to be sight of your wifi netowrk, so most people would use the tv.

Mythtomer isn't friendly to use your head goes back and forth between the
tablet screen and the main tv screen to confirm the action has occurred and
to confirm the location before sending the next command.... why!!!! The
tablet *could* show the menus and the epg and then send the final
destination/axtion command once the tablet user has decided what to do. This
plays tot the strentgh of the device. It is not a physical remote control
with physical buttons you can feel your way around...

R

Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile
phone.

Thanks and regards,
Richard Morton

On 22 Nov 2009 04:51, "Eric Sharkey" <eric [at] lisaneric> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Richard Morton

<richard.e.morton [at] gmail> wrote:

> Changing it to be a control interface would appeal to many more users (I >
would think)
Not to me. I already have a remote and don't feel any need to use my
cell phone as one.

On the other hand, a mobile frontend has real appeal. Especially if
there was an "offline" mode where you could pre-cache some content and
run without a connection to the backend. But even without that,
having access to MythMusic while doing chores around the house would
be really nice.

Eric

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:09 PM

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Re: OT: Nokia N900 [In reply to]

>>the only real issue for me was that all my recordings needed to be
>>transcoded down to play on the tablet, and that mad them look crap on the
>>telly!
>>
>>Gaz

>Yeah, it would need on the fly transcoding to the right size and codec for
>the device requiring extension tot the protocol and much backend work I
>would think.

I also have an n800 and you guys should check out the Media-utils package for on the fly transcoding. http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ It works really well for video and I love it on my n800. It can stream realtime based on whatever quality you choose or transcode for you quickly to a saved area on the n800/810. I would think this could be integrated into myth somehow for this exact purpose.

Gene
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