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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 15, 2009, 8:45 PM

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Overscan and MythTV (was Re: DB charset pre-conversion test failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted.)

On 11/15/2009 07:34 PM, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 13:58 -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> I think the overscan issue is more of a "at the themer's discretion"
>> thing.
>>
>
> See, I think it's exactly not a theming issue at all. I think it's an
> underlying UI design issue. I agree totally with how the screen-size
> wizard works, allowing one to fine tune the UI so that it fits within
> the viewable portion of their set.
>
> What I disagree with is that scaling the entire window is the way to
> make it fit. I think that the window should always be whatever size the
> screen is and that the widgets on the window should be moved in response
> to the screen-size wizard.
>
> That is for a set with less viewable area than another, the offset from
> the edges of the window the widgets are painted on are greater and the
> widgets themselves either scale smaller or are packed tighter to deal
> with the reduced real-estate.
>
> So I see this as all operating below the themer's task.

Understood, and there was just a discussion of this very idea in IRC a
couple of days ago. The problem is that some themes are designed such
that widgets and areas that appear at some times line up with
graphics/"holes" in the background. So, if the background is scaled to
full screen size and the widgets put into a smaller window on top, these
themes won't line up.

How the UI experts will solve the issue is something I (admittedly about
as far as one could get from being a UI expert) couldn't even guess.
Some of the ideas mentioned were a theme-specified background color
(that's drawn in a full-screen window behind the scaled
background/widgets) or even a back-background image or just a
theme-specified switch to scale the background independently of the
widget area or ...

Mike

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brian at interlinx

Nov 16, 2009, 6:32 AM

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Re: Overscan and MythTV (was Re: DB charset pre-conversion test failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted.) [In reply to]

On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 23:45 -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
> Understood, and there was just a discussion of this very idea in IRC a
> couple of days ago.

Heh. Prompted by my postings or just coincidence? :-)

> The problem is that some themes are designed such
> that widgets and areas that appear at some times line up with
> graphics/"holes" in the background.

Hrm. I have to admit at being completely lost at this point. :-/

> So, if the background is scaled to
> full screen size and the widgets put into a smaller window on top, these
> themes won't line up.

I can certainly understand what you are staying there, just not see how
that fits with your sentence above. Maybe it's due to my complete
ignorance with regard to myth UI themeing and not important that I do
understand, just that I ack that there are exiting issues.

> How the UI experts will solve the issue is something I (admittedly about
> as far as one could get from being a UI expert) couldn't even guess.

Heh. Me either. :-)

> Some of the ideas mentioned were a theme-specified background color
> (that's drawn in a full-screen window behind the scaled
> background/widgets) or even a back-background image or just a
> theme-specified switch to scale the background independently of the
> widget area or ...

I am just pleased as punch that the issue is being recognized enough to
have started a discussion. It gives me hope that it will be solved, at
least, someday. :-)

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jarpublic at gmail

Nov 16, 2009, 7:15 AM

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Re: Overscan and MythTV (was Re: DB charset pre-conversion test failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted.) [In reply to]

>> The problem is that some themes are designed such
>> that widgets and areas that appear at some times line up with
>> graphics/"holes" in the background.
>
> Hrm. I have to admit at being completely lost at this point. :-/

Not all of the background images would just be a generic abstract
image. You can imagine a background that has sections or boxes as part
of the background image, then the widgets line up with the boxes in
the background image. Or some themers are looking into scaling the
fanart to create the background image. The fanart would be scaled to
fit into a specific area of the UI. So if you start scaling/moving the
widgets independently from the background you would end up with things
misaligned in all of these cases.
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brian at interlinx

Nov 16, 2009, 7:29 AM

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Re: Overscan and MythTV (was Re: DB charset pre-conversion test failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted.) [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 10:15 -0500, Johnny wrote:
>
> Not all of the background images would just be a generic abstract
> image. You can imagine a background that has sections or boxes as part
> of the background image, then the widgets line up with the boxes in
> the background image.

Ahhhh. Yes, That is very clear now.

> Or some themers are looking into scaling the
> fanart to create the background image. The fanart would be scaled to
> fit into a specific area of the UI. So if you start scaling/moving the
> widgets independently from the background you would end up with things
> misaligned in all of these cases.

Yeah.

One interesting solution, which I think perhaps you mentioned would be
to take what is now the main myth UI window, which is scalable and has
to be fitted to the visible area of a given TV set and make that a
sepearate window laid over top of a new "root" window which is not
scalable and is always the same size as the screen and the same color as
the edges of the UI window so that they are seamless.

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brian at interlinx

Nov 16, 2009, 8:03 AM

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Re: Overscan and MythTV (was Re: DB charset pre-conversion test failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted.) [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 10:29 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
>
> One interesting solution, which I think perhaps you

To be clear, I thought this was a reply from Mike again, so "you" above
was in reference to him.

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