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lofty69 at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 11:54 AM

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Freeview Changes??

Have freeview been changing the line ups again?

In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..

BBC1
BBC2
BBC News
Sky News
Sky Spts News
CITV
CBeebies
CBBC
E4+1
Dave
Yesterday
Sky3
BBC3

All other channels are ok.

I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial). Don't really want to
do a rescan if nothing has changed.
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anothersname at googlemail

Nov 6, 2009, 11:59 AM

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2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>
> In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..
>
> BBC1
> BBC2
> BBC News
> Sky News
> Sky Spts News
> CITV
> CBeebies
> CBBC
> E4+1
> Dave
> Yesterday
> Sky3
> BBC3
>
> All other channels are ok.
>
> I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial).  Don't really want to
> do a rescan if nothing has changed.
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It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
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lofty69 at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 12:01 PM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>>
>> In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..
>>
>> BBC1
>> BBC2
>> BBC News
>> Sky News
>> Sky Spts News
>> CITV
>> CBeebies
>> CBBC
>> E4+1
>> Dave
>> Yesterday
>> Sky3
>> BBC3
>>
>> All other channels are ok.
>>
>> I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial).  Don't really want to
>> do a rescan if nothing has changed.
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>
> It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
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anothersname at googlemail

Nov 6, 2009, 12:05 PM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
> 2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
>> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>>> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>>>
>>> In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..
>>>
>>> BBC1
>>> BBC2
>>> BBC News
>>> Sky News
>>> Sky Spts News
>>> CITV
>>> CBeebies
>>> CBBC
>>> E4+1
>>> Dave
>>> Yesterday
>>> Sky3
>>> BBC3
>>>
>>> All other channels are ok.
>>>
>>> I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial).  Don't really want to
>>> do a rescan if nothing has changed.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>
>> It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Winterhill
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Looks like a few people are having Winter Hill problems...

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406140
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lofty69 at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 12:17 PM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>> 2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
>>> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>>>> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>>>>
>>>> In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..
>>>>
>>>> BBC1
>>>> BBC2
>>>> BBC News
>>>> Sky News
>>>> Sky Spts News
>>>> CITV
>>>> CBeebies
>>>> CBBC
>>>> E4+1
>>>> Dave
>>>> Yesterday
>>>> Sky3
>>>> BBC3
>>>>
>>>> All other channels are ok.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial).  Don't really want to
>>>> do a rescan if nothing has changed.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>
>> Winterhill
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> Looks like a few people are having Winter Hill problems...
>
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406140
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I read that but discounted it as it mentioned only 1 mux and virgin
channels which are fine on mine and the the digitalspy page made out
it would not effect stb's.

I'll do a rescan tomorrow.

Thanks
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lofty69 at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 1:29 PM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
> 2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
>> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>>> 2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
>>>> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>>>>> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the last few days I've lost quite a few channels..
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC1
>>>>> BBC2
>>>>> BBC News
>>>>> Sky News
>>>>> Sky Spts News
>>>>> CITV
>>>>> CBeebies
>>>>> CBBC
>>>>> E4+1
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> Yesterday
>>>>> Sky3
>>>>> BBC3
>>>>>
>>>>> All other channels are ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting a signal but no lock (only partial).  Don't really want to
>>>>> do a rescan if nothing has changed.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>>
>>>
>>> Winterhill
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>>> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>> Looks like a few people are having Winter Hill problems...
>>
>> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406140
>> _______________________________________________
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>> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
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>>
>
> I read that but discounted it as it mentioned only 1 mux and virgin
> channels which are fine on mine and the the digitalspy page made out
> it would not effect stb's.
>
> I'll do a rescan tomorrow.
>
> Thanks
>

A rescan sorted.. I wasn't aware they were even changing anything.
Change was on the 4th and what was on MUX1 is now on MUX16? with a
couple of channels going from MUX5 to MUX1..

Channel Scanner is better in 0.22 :D
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knowledgejunkie at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 5:05 PM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
> 2009/11/6 Another Sillyname <anothersname [at] googlemail>:
>> 2009/11/6 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69 [at] gmail>:
>>> Have freeview been changing the line ups again?
>> It would help if you said where you are and what transmitter you receive.
> Winterhill

http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?class=countries&subclass=0&id=3579

Cheers,
Nick

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linux at thehobsons

Nov 7, 2009, 2:35 AM

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Roy Lofthouse wrote:

>I wasn't aware they were even changing anything.

You're not the only one !

It's not helped when Digital UK post lies on their website :
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/granada/winter_hill
"If you have ... freesat on all of your TV sets you will not be
affected by switchover."

That in my book is an outright lie - this week they've
moved/re-organised two muxes, and in December they'll move some more.
If they think moving muxes so you have to retune counts as "not
affected", then it makes you wonder at teh mentality of the people
managing this.

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douglas.mackay at gmail

Nov 7, 2009, 2:47 AM

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2009/11/7 Simon Hobson <linux [at] thehobsons>:
> Roy Lofthouse wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware they were even changing anything.
>
> You're not the only one !
>
> It's not helped when Digital UK post lies on their website :
> http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/granada/winter_hill
> "If you have ... freesat on all of your TV sets you will not be affected by
> switchover."
>
> That in my book is an outright lie - this week they've moved/re-organised
> two muxes, and in December they'll move some more. If they think moving
> muxes so you have to retune counts as "not affected", then it makes you
> wonder at teh mentality of the people managing this.
>

??

Sorry maybe I'm missing something how is freesat anything to do with
freeview? (freesat is a satellite service which as the text you've
quoted states will not be affected by the terrestrial digital switch
over)
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linux at thehobsons

Nov 7, 2009, 6:02 AM

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Douglas Mackay wrote:

> > You're not the only one !
> >
> > It's not helped when Digital UK post lies on their website :
> > http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/granada/winter_hill
>> "If you have ... freesat on all of your TV sets you will not be affected by
>> switchover."
>>
>> That in my book is an outright lie - this week they've moved/re-organised
>> two muxes, and in December they'll move some more. If they think moving
>> muxes so you have to retune counts as "not affected", then it makes you
>> wonder at teh mentality of the people managing this.
>>
>
>??
>
>Sorry maybe I'm missing something how is freesat anything to do with
>freeview? (freesat is a satellite service which as the text you've
>quoted states will not be affected by the terrestrial digital switch
>over)

Doh - teach me to read more carefully :-/ Yes you are completely
correct, for some reason my mind just read that as "freeview" <slaps
head>.

Still darned frustrating - being in the Granada region, the local
news has of course been full of it in the run up. However, amongst
all the hype, at no point was it mentioned (that I recognised) that
freeview users would need to retune yet again. All the coverage
seemed to be aimed at the non-digital people - "you'll be losing BBC2
on Wednesday".

Well guess what I'll be doing for a couple of hours tomorrow - I've a
friend with three sets to retune. It's not the retuning, it's the
"put the channels in something resembling sanity order" that takes
time. I've even printed out a sheet with the channels and numbers I
want (my own set is a right pain to re-number channels on).

--
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Visit http://www.magpiesnestpublishing.co.uk/ for books by acclaimed
author Gladys Hobson. Novels - poetry - short stories - ideal as
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mikep at randomtraveller

Nov 7, 2009, 6:32 AM

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Simon Hobson wrote:
> Douglas Mackay wrote:
>
>> > You're not the only one !
>> >
>> > It's not helped when Digital UK post lies on their website :
>> > http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/granada/winter_hill
>>> "If you have ... freesat on all of your TV sets you will not be
>>> affected by
>>> switchover."
>>>
>>> That in my book is an outright lie - this week they've
>>> moved/re-organised
>>> two muxes, and in December they'll move some more. If they think moving
>>> muxes so you have to retune counts as "not affected", then it makes you
>>> wonder at teh mentality of the people managing this.
>>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>> Sorry maybe I'm missing something how is freesat anything to do with
>> freeview? (freesat is a satellite service which as the text you've
>> quoted states will not be affected by the terrestrial digital switch
>> over)
>
> Doh - teach me to read more carefully :-/ Yes you are completely
> correct, for some reason my mind just read that as "freeview" <slaps head>.
>
> Still darned frustrating - being in the Granada region, the local news
> has of course been full of it in the run up. However, amongst all the
> hype, at no point was it mentioned (that I recognised) that freeview
> users would need to retune yet again. All the coverage seemed to be
> aimed at the non-digital people - "you'll be losing BBC2 on Wednesday".
>
> Well guess what I'll be doing for a couple of hours tomorrow - I've a
> friend with three sets to retune. It's not the retuning, it's the "put
> the channels in something resembling sanity order" that takes time. I've
> even printed out a sheet with the channels and numbers I want (my own
> set is a right pain to re-number channels on).
>
Curiously, once I'd isolated the transports which my local transmitter actually
uses, got rid of the others I can pick up but don't want, and *rescanned each
transport individually*, all my Freeview channels came out with the right
channel numbers already assigned. YMMV.

(I found it was then necessary to run the following SQL:

update channel set freqid = channum;

because the freqid - which is used to change channels - was not set to something
useful. In all cases, channum had been generated as chanid + 1000.)

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knowledgejunkie at gmail

Nov 7, 2009, 6:35 AM

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2009/11/7 Mike Perkins <mikep [at] randomtraveller>:

> Curiously, once I'd isolated the transports which my local transmitter
> actually uses, got rid of the others I can pick up but don't want, and
> *rescanned each transport individually*, all my Freeview channels came out
> with the right channel numbers already assigned. YMMV.
>
> (I found it was then necessary to run the following SQL:
>
> update channel set freqid = channum;
>
> because the freqid - which is used to change channels - was not set to
> something useful. In all cases, channum had been generated as chanid +
> 1000.)

For DVB, freqid is not used at all for tuning. It is used for analog
tuning and to provide the digits to send to an external channel change
script.

Nick

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totallymaxed at gmail

Nov 7, 2009, 7:45 AM

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Perkins
<mikep [at] randomtraveller>wrote:

> Simon Hobson wrote:
>
>> Douglas Mackay wrote:
>>
>> > You're not the only one !
>>> >
>>> > It's not helped when Digital UK post lies on their website :
>>> > http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/granada/winter_hill
>>>
>>>> "If you have ... freesat on all of your TV sets you will not be
>>>> affected by
>>>> switchover."
>>>>
>>>> That in my book is an outright lie - this week they've
>>>> moved/re-organised
>>>> two muxes, and in December they'll move some more. If they think moving
>>>> muxes so you have to retune counts as "not affected", then it makes you
>>>> wonder at teh mentality of the people managing this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Sorry maybe I'm missing something how is freesat anything to do with
>>> freeview? (freesat is a satellite service which as the text you've
>>> quoted states will not be affected by the terrestrial digital switch
>>> over)
>>>
>>
>> Doh - teach me to read more carefully :-/ Yes you are completely correct,
>> for some reason my mind just read that as "freeview" <slaps head>.
>>
>> Still darned frustrating - being in the Granada region, the local news has
>> of course been full of it in the run up. However, amongst all the hype, at
>> no point was it mentioned (that I recognised) that freeview users would need
>> to retune yet again. All the coverage seemed to be aimed at the non-digital
>> people - "you'll be losing BBC2 on Wednesday".
>>
>> Well guess what I'll be doing for a couple of hours tomorrow - I've a
>> friend with three sets to retune. It's not the retuning, it's the "put the
>> channels in something resembling sanity order" that takes time. I've even
>> printed out a sheet with the channels and numbers I want (my own set is a
>> right pain to re-number channels on).
>>
>> Curiously, once I'd isolated the transports which my local transmitter
> actually uses, got rid of the others I can pick up but don't want, and
> *rescanned each transport individually*, all my Freeview channels came out
> with the right channel numbers already assigned. YMMV.
>
> (I found it was then necessary to run the following SQL:
>
> update channel set freqid = channum;
>
> because the freqid - which is used to change channels - was not set to
> something useful. In all cases, channum had been generated as chanid +
> 1000.)
>
> --
>
> Mike Perkins
>
>
A rescan will use the standard Freeview LCN (Logical Chanel Numbers) scheme.

Andrew


mikep at randomtraveller

Nov 8, 2009, 6:54 AM

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Re: Freeview Changes?? [In reply to]

Andrew Herron wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Perkins
> <mikep [at] randomtraveller>wrote:
>
>> Curiously, once I'd isolated the transports which my local transmitter
>> actually uses, got rid of the others I can pick up but don't want, and
>> *rescanned each transport individually*, all my Freeview channels came out
>> with the right channel numbers already assigned. YMMV.
>>
>> (I found it was then necessary to run the following SQL:
>>
>> update channel set freqid = channum;
>>
>> because the freqid - which is used to change channels - was not set to
>> something useful. In all cases, channum had been generated as chanid +
>> 1000.)
>>
> A rescan will use the standard Freeview LCN (Logical Chanel Numbers) scheme.
>
> Andrew
>
Yup. And the chanid is generated as Freeview LCN + (sourceid# * 1000).

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