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chris at westnet

Nov 5, 2009, 3:10 PM

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Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now !

Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.

I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still showing
Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I ran
another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for tonight.

-Chris

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Nov 5, 2009, 3:39 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Christopher X. Candreva
<chris [at] westnet> wrote:
>
> Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
>
> I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still showing
> Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I ran
> another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for tonight.
>
> -Chris
>

*Awesome* tip off, Chris, thanks.

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Nov 5, 2009, 3:54 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

Great tip Chris. However, I ran mythfilldatabase but the schedule for FOX
still shows "MLB Baseball (Sport event)" on my Comcast and Over The Air
sources.

The output from my mythfilldatabase command can be found
here<http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajj8fdj8q3bg_40d4mm5mfk> if
any one want to take a look.

Rock on, PLA

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Robert McNamara
<robert.mcnamara [at] gmail>wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Christopher X. Candreva
> <chris [at] westnet> wrote:
> >
> > Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
> >
> > I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still
> showing
> > Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I ran
> > another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for
> tonight.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
>
> *Awesome* tip off, Chris, thanks.
>
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Nov 5, 2009, 3:57 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Patrick Archibald
<patrick.archibald [at] gmail> wrote:
> Great tip Chris. However, I ran mythfilldatabase but the schedule for FOX
> still shows "MLB Baseball (Sport event)" on my Comcast and Over The Air
> sources.
> The output from my mythfilldatabase command can be found here if any one
> want to take a look.
>
> Rock on, PLA

Patrick,

Please bottom post on this list.

Run:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-today

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Nov 5, 2009, 3:57 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Patrick Archibald
<patrick.archibald [at] gmail> wrote:
> Great tip Chris. However, I ran mythfilldatabase but the schedule for FOX
> still shows "MLB Baseball (Sport event)" on my Comcast and Over The Air
> sources.
> The output from my mythfilldatabase command can be found here if any one
> want to take a look.
>

You are going to want to run with the --refresh-today option. You can
also use '--max-days 1' so it doesn't try and reload all the other
days too.
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Nov 5, 2009, 4:14 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Paul
<pturpin+mythtv [at] gmail<pturpin%2Bmythtv [at] gmail>
> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Patrick Archibald
> <patrick.archibald [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Great tip Chris. However, I ran mythfilldatabase but the schedule for FOX
> > still shows "MLB Baseball (Sport event)" on my Comcast and Over The Air
> > sources.
> > The output from my mythfilldatabase command can be found here if any one
> > want to take a look.
> >
>
>
> You are going to want to run with the --refresh-today option. You can
> also use '--max-days 1' so it doesn't try and reload all the other
> days too.
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Thanks Robert and Paul. Fringe is in my program guide now.

Bottom posting from now on, Robert.

Rock on, PLA

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Nov 5, 2009, 6:05 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:

>
> Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
>
> I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still
> showing
> Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I
> ran
> another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for
> tonight.

Saw this email one minute before Fringe was on. Thank you much for
posting!

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mark at boyum

Nov 5, 2009, 6:22 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Scott <list-mythtv [at] bluecamel> wrote:

>
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
>
>
>> Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
>>
>> I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still
>> showing
>> Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I ran
>> another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for
>> tonight.
>>
>
>
> Saw this email one minute before Fringe was on. Thank you much for posting!
>
> --
>

Didn't see this thread early enough, missed twenty minutes of Fringe. At
least it should be available on hulu desktop tomorrow night. That's the
first program Myth has missed for me and I would say it wasn't Myth's fault.

mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 5, 2009, 6:35 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On 11/05/2009 09:22 PM, Mark Boyum wrote:
> Didn't see this thread early enough, missed twenty minutes of Fringe.
> At least it should be available on hulu desktop tomorrow night.
> That's the first program Myth has missed for me and I would say it
> wasn't Myth's fault.

I think it's obvious whose fault it was... And their name rhymes with
lilies. :)

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chris at westnet

Nov 5, 2009, 7:00 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

> I think it's obvious whose fault it was... And their name rhymes with lilies.
> :)

Yeah, they should have just realized the inevitable and lost Monday.
:-)

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:58 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

>
> Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
>
> I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still
> showing
> Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I
> ran
> another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for
> tonight.

Saw this email one minute before Fringe was on. Thank you much for
posting!

--

I saw it when I got home at 8:30, fringe is fine, unfortunately I missed the
first half hour of bones.

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kkuphal at gmail

Nov 6, 2009, 6:07 AM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Christopher X. Candreva
<chris [at] westnet>wrote:

>
> Schedules direct has finally updated the Fox listings for tonight.
>
> I ran a mythfilldatabase at 3:00 PM Eastern today, and it was still showing
> Game 7 of the World Series. Based on a response at the SD forums, I ran
> another just now (6:00 PM) and now see the non-baseball lineup for tonight.
>

Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
--refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like sports,
presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion for people to keep
their schedules up to date.

Kevin

ylee at pobox

Nov 6, 2009, 8:45 AM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal [at] gmail> says:
> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion
> for people to keep their schedules up to date.

I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my box
runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.

I guess I could avoid the issue by putting a check into the cron job
that aborts it nif another mythfilldatabase is running. I'd have to do
the same thing in the shell script that mythbackend calls to run
mythfilldatabase (I run optimize_database.pl before and after) for the
edge case of the 6pm one starting right after the daily one starts at
5:57pm, too, of course.

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:11 AM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On 11/06/2009 11:45 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> Kevin Kuphal says:
>
>> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
>> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
>> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion
>> for people to keep their schedules up to date.
>>
> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my box
> runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.
>
> I guess I could avoid the issue by putting a check into the cron job
> that aborts it nif another mythfilldatabase is running. I'd have to do
> the same thing in the shell script that mythbackend calls to run
> mythfilldatabase (I run optimize_database.pl before and after) for the
> edge case of the 6pm one starting right after the daily one starts at
> 5:57pm, too, of course.

If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at 6:00pm,
why are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at the time
suggested by the grabber? Running every day at 6:00pm destroys the
benefit of using the suggested time and running it 2x per day just seems
to be even worse.

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:27 AM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact>wrote:

> On 11/06/2009 11:45 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
>
> Kevin Kuphal says:
>>
>>
>>> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
>>> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
>>> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion
>>> for people to keep their schedules up to date.
>>>
>>>
>> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
>> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my box
>> runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.
>>
>> I guess I could avoid the issue by putting a check into the cron job
>> that aborts it nif another mythfilldatabase is running. I'd have to do
>> the same thing in the shell script that mythbackend calls to run
>> mythfilldatabase (I run optimize_database.pl before and after) for the
>> edge case of the 6pm one starting right after the daily one starts at
>> 5:57pm, too, of course.
>>
>
> If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at 6:00pm, why
> are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at the time suggested by
> the grabber? Running every day at 6:00pm destroys the benefit of using the
> suggested time and running it 2x per day just seems to be even worse.
>

Personally, I'm only running it with --refresh-today at 6pm so I still use
the suggested time to update the full schedule.

Kevin

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:29 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/06/2009 11:45 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> Kevin Kuphal says:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
>>>> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
>>>> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion
>>>> for people to keep their schedules up to date.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
>>> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my box
>>> runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.
>>>
>>> I guess I could avoid the issue by putting a check into the cron job
>>> that aborts it nif another mythfilldatabase is running. I'd have to do
>>> the same thing in the shell script that mythbackend calls to run
>>> mythfilldatabase (I run optimize_database.pl before and after) for the
>>> edge case of the 6pm one starting right after the daily one starts at
>>> 5:57pm, too, of course.
>>
>> If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at 6:00pm, why
>> are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at the time suggested by
>> the grabber? Running every day at 6:00pm destroys the benefit of using the
>> suggested time and running it 2x per day just seems to be even worse.
>
> Personally, I'm only running it with --refresh-today at 6pm so I still use
> the suggested time to update the full schedule.

Running with --refresh-today pulls the full schedule in for me, and
not just 'today'.
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Nov 6, 2009, 12:51 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On 11/06/2009 03:29 PM, Nick F wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/06/2009 11:45 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kevin Kuphal says:
>>>>
>>>>> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
>>>>> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
>>>>> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good suggestion
>>>>> for people to keep their schedules up to date.
>>>> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
>>>> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my box
>>>> runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I could avoid the issue by putting a check into the cron job
>>>> that aborts it nif another mythfilldatabase is running. I'd have to do
>>>> the same thing in the shell script that mythbackend calls to run
>>>> mythfilldatabase (I run optimize_database.pl before and after) for the
>>>> edge case of the 6pm one starting right after the daily one starts at
>>>> 5:57pm, too, of course.
>>>>
>>> If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at 6:00pm, why
>>> are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at the time suggested by
>>> the grabber? Running every day at 6:00pm destroys the benefit of using the
>>> suggested time and running it 2x per day just seems to be even worse.
>>>
>> Personally, I'm only running it with --refresh-today at 6pm so I still use
>> the suggested time to update the full schedule.
>>
> Running with --refresh-today pulls the full schedule in for me, and
> not just 'today'.

Yeah, it actually just adds today to the list. You'd have to explicitly
exclude other days (with --max-days 1 would be best).

Though I don't know that making 2 connections per day--even with the
"smaller pull" at a specific time--is actually easier for Schedules
Direct/TMS than just pulling all of your data only at 6:00pm. (I'd love
to hear from Robert Eden on this one.) IIRC, they've actually made
comments about how it /might/ be better for them if myth were changed to
pull all 14 days in one pull every day rather than the approach it's
using. If we can get a definite answer on how they'd like us to pull
the listings, I'd be happy to change it.

Granted, for everyone to set up their systems to pull at 6:00pm would be
A Bad Thing (TM).

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:31 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good
> suggestion for people to keep their schedules up to date.

I wrote:
> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my
> box runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.

Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> says:
> If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at
> 6:00pm, why are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at
> the time suggested by the grabber?

Yet again, you jump on me out of the blue for no discernable reason[*]:

1) I'm not running mythfilldatabase at 6pm; I said I used to. As for
why . . .
2) "do this" refers to the --refresh-today flag (and reason; I also
used 6pm, actually, during the brief time I had the cron job set
up) that Kevin Kuphal mentioned.

[*]
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/185090#185090 and
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/186001#186001, plus
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/224472#224472,
being two of the more mystifying examples

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:29 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On 11/06/2009 04:31 PM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>
>> Just an FYI, this is why I have a 6PM cron job that runs with
>> --refresh-today. It will catch alot of schedule changes like
>> sports, presidential addresses, and such. A very good
>> suggestion for people to keep their schedules up to date.
>>
> I wrote:
>
>> I used to do this but removed it because I didn't know what would
>> happen if two mythfilldtabase jobs ran at the same time, since my
>> box runs it at whatever time SchedulesDirect suggests it should.
>>
> Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> says:
>
>> If you're running mythfilldatabase in a cron job every day at
>> 6:00pm, why are you also running mythfilldatabase automatically at
>> the time suggested by the grabber?
>>
>
> Yet again, you jump on me out of the blue for no discernable reason[*]:
>
> 1) I'm not running mythfilldatabase at 6pm; I said I used to. As for
> why . . .
> 2) "do this" refers to the --refresh-today flag (and reason; I also
> used 6pm, actually, during the brief time I had the cron job set
> up) that Kevin Kuphal mentioned.
>
> [*]
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/185090#185090 and
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/186001#186001, plus
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/224472#224472,
> being two of the more mystifying examples
>

It was a question. It was not meant to blame anyone for anything, but
to get more information. And, "you" was the generic, "whoever is or was
doing this."

My goal was only to make sure that anyone reading this thread had enough
information to set things up properly and efficiently as possible.
Basically, I didn't want a bunch of people just adding a 2nd run of mfdb
to a daily cron with only --refresh-today, but I figured there was more
to the configuration you and Kevin mentioned, so I was hoping to get the
rest of the story.

Mike

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:45 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

2009/11/6 Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact>:
> On 11/06/2009 03:29 PM, Nick F wrote:

>> Running with --refresh-today pulls the full schedule in for me, and
>> not just 'today'.
>
> Yeah, it actually just adds today to the list. You'd have to explicitly
> exclude other days (with --max-days 1 would be best).

If you run the grabber with only '--max-days 1' I'm guessing it only
updates tomorrow and doesn't touch today?

> Though I don't know that making 2 connections per day--even with the
> "smaller pull" at a specific time--is actually easier for Schedules
> Direct/TMS than just pulling all of your data only at 6:00pm. (I'd love to
> hear from Robert Eden on this one.) IIRC, they've actually made comments
> about how it /might/ be better for them if myth were changed to pull all 14
> days in one pull every day rather than the approach it's using. If we can
> get a definite answer on how they'd like us to pull the listings, I'd be
> happy to change it.

The UK Radio Times provide the listings for each channel in a single
file covering all 14 days - I've asked whether it would be possible to
provide them compressed to further reduce traffic and improve DL
speeds, but haven't had any feedback on this request.

Does the SD support (not the na_dd XMLTV grabber) provide caching of
data to stop redownloading unchanged listings unnecessarily? If not,
that might help reduce traffic if users are running the grabber
multiple times per day.

Cheers,
Nick

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Nov 6, 2009, 6:10 PM

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Re: Bones/Fringe fans -- run mythfilldatabase now ! [In reply to]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Nick Morrott <knowledgejunkie [at] gmail> wrote:
> If you run the grabber with only '--max-days 1' I'm guessing it only
> updates tomorrow and doesn't touch today?

No, it will update just today. From the help output of mythfilldatabase:

--max-days <number>
Force the maximum number of days, counting today,
for the grabber to check for future listings

The confusion might be that if you use the --refresh-day argument the
number 0 represents today, and 1 would be tomorrow. You wouldn't need
to use that argument in the scenario being discussed though.
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