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fatgerman at ntlworld

Nov 4, 2009, 1:45 PM

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Going from FF to Playback

Hi all,

I've just installed 0.22 (mythbuntu) on a new PC and am loving VDPAU playback.. but I digress. I was previously running 0.21 and the behaviour of my remote has changed, or more likely I've forgotten which option to select to get the behaviour I want. When I'm in Fast Forward (sticky), and I press Play, I want to go to Play mode but mythtv goes to Pause mode instead. My old 0.21 installation did not do this. I've examined all the options I can find but I can't find the one which does what I want. Can somebody help?

Thanks,

Mark
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david at istwok

Nov 4, 2009, 2:26 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:45:50PM +0000, Mark Greenwood wrote:
> I've just installed 0.22 (mythbuntu) on a new PC and am loving VDPAU
> playback.. but I digress. I was previously running 0.21 and the
> behaviour of my remote has changed, or more likely I've forgotten
> which option to select to get the behaviour I want. When I'm in Fast
> Forward (sticky), and I press Play, I want to go to Play mode but
> mythtv goes to Pause mode instead. My old 0.21 installation did not
> do this. I've examined all the options I can find but I can't find
> the one which does what I want. Can somebody help?

Press SELECT to resume play mode.

Daniel reorganized the key handling awhile back and a number of "fall
through" paths changed because of it. For example, another change is
pressing INFO in FF mode now brings up the position OSD without
stopping FF mode. Previously, it used to stop FF mode. I'm not sure
if that change was intended or not. Either way, I'd like to see
another reorganization of the key handling to make better use of
contexts to avoid problems like this.

David
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 10:51 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On 11/04/2009 05:26 PM, David Engel wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:45:50PM +0000, Mark Greenwood wrote:
>
>> When I'm in Fast
>> Forward (sticky), and I press Play, I want to go to Play mode but
>> mythtv goes to Pause mode instead. My old 0.21 installation did not
>> do this.
> Press SELECT to resume play mode.
>
> Daniel reorganized the key handling awhile back and a number of "fall
> through" paths changed because of it.

That's exactly how both my 0.21-fixes system and my trunk system works
(just tested both of them to make sure). When in FFWDSTICKY and:

- I hit P (PAUSE), it pauses.
- I hit Space/Enter (SELECT), it resumes playback
- I hit Ctrl+P (PLAY), it resumes playback

This behavior makes sense in light of the keybinding action names. I'm
using all defaults for keybindings, which are:

TV Frontend/PLAYBACK = P
TV Playback/PLAY = Ctrl+P
TV Playback/PAUSE = P

Note that PAUSE really acts as a "toggle pause" (so it will pause if
playing or play if paused). And, at least on the trunk/dev box, all
defaults for settings.

So, if something did change between 0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes, it must
have been something which only happened with some (non-default)
combination of the millions of untestable settings combinations. ;) If
you can think of some setting you may have changed from the default on
your system (back in 0.21-fixes) which might be related, I'd be happy to
look into the change.

Mike
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david at istwok

Nov 5, 2009, 9:17 AM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:51:34AM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 11/04/2009 05:26 PM, David Engel wrote:
> That's exactly how both my 0.21-fixes system and my trunk system
> works (just tested both of them to make sure). When in FFWDSTICKY
> and:
>
> - I hit P (PAUSE), it pauses.
> - I hit Space/Enter (SELECT), it resumes playback
> - I hit Ctrl+P (PLAY), it resumes playback

Try pressing INFO instead of the other keys to stop FF in 0.21 and
then in 0.22. When I used to use an IR keyboard instead of LIRC, I
had issues for which I don't remember the details with SELECT binding,
so I got in the habit of pressing INFO to exit FF. It took awhile to
retrain my muscle memory to stop doing that when I switched to
pre-0.22.

> So, if something did change between 0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes, it
> must have been something which only happened with some (non-default)
> combination of the millions of untestable settings combinations. ;)

I do have some personal tweaks in tv_play.cpp, but I don't think any
should affect this. My main point was that there is still
considerable room to improve the key handling, especially with respect
to overloaded keys in different contexts.

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fatgerman at ntlworld

Nov 5, 2009, 1:01 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On Thursday 05 Nov 2009 06:51:34 Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 11/04/2009 05:26 PM, David Engel wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:45:50PM +0000, Mark Greenwood wrote:
> >
> >> When I'm in Fast
> >> Forward (sticky), and I press Play, I want to go to Play mode but
> >> mythtv goes to Pause mode instead. My old 0.21 installation did not
> >> do this.
> > Press SELECT to resume play mode.
> >
> > Daniel reorganized the key handling awhile back and a number of "fall
> > through" paths changed because of it.
>
> That's exactly how both my 0.21-fixes system and my trunk system works
> (just tested both of them to make sure). When in FFWDSTICKY and:
>
> - I hit P (PAUSE), it pauses.
> - I hit Space/Enter (SELECT), it resumes playback
> - I hit Ctrl+P (PLAY), it resumes playback
>
> This behavior makes sense in light of the keybinding action names. I'm
> using all defaults for keybindings, which are:
>
> TV Frontend/PLAYBACK = P
> TV Playback/PLAY = Ctrl+P
> TV Playback/PAUSE = P
>
> Note that PAUSE really acts as a "toggle pause" (so it will pause if
> playing or play if paused). And, at least on the trunk/dev box, all
> defaults for settings.

Thanks, it makes sense now. I've modified the myhttv settings in ~/.lirc so that my 'Play' button sends 'Return', it was previously configured to send 'P', which explains the behaviour I was getting. I'm not sure if it's possible to put 'Ctrl+P' into a lirc config file, so I went for the safe option :)

It's very possible I did this previously on my 0.21 box, but I no longer have it so I can't check.

Mark

>
> So, if something did change between 0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes, it must
> have been something which only happened with some (non-default)
> combination of the millions of untestable settings combinations. ;) If
> you can think of some setting you may have changed from the default on
> your system (back in 0.21-fixes) which might be related, I'd be happy to
> look into the change.
>
> Mike
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 5, 2009, 1:53 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On 11/05/2009 04:01 PM, Mark Greenwood wrote:
> On Thursday 05 Nov 2009 06:51:34 Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> That's exactly how both my 0.21-fixes system and my trunk system works
>> (just tested both of them to make sure). When in FFWDSTICKY and:
>>
>> - I hit P (PAUSE), it pauses.
>> - I hit Space/Enter (SELECT), it resumes playback
>> - I hit Ctrl+P (PLAY), it resumes playback
>>
>> This behavior makes sense in light of the keybinding action names. I'm
>> using all defaults for keybindings, which are:
>>
>> TV Frontend/PLAYBACK = P
>> TV Playback/PLAY = Ctrl+P
>> TV Playback/PAUSE = P
>>
>> Note that PAUSE really acts as a "toggle pause" (so it will pause if
>> playing or play if paused). And, at least on the trunk/dev box, all
>> defaults for settings.
>>
> Thanks, it makes sense now. I've modified the myhttv settings in ~/.lirc so that my 'Play' button sends 'Return', it was previously configured to send 'P', which explains the behaviour I was getting. I'm not sure if it's possible to put 'Ctrl+P' into a lirc config file, so I went for the safe option :)

You can--just add:

config = Ctrl+P

I had done this for a while since I have both a pause and a play button
on my remote, but I ended up switching it back to just P for both the
pause button and the play button.

Since P in TV Frontend (the Watch Recordings screen) is PLAYBACK, which
starts playback after selecting a recording, and Ctrl+P is not mapped to
anything in TV Frontend (or, anywhere other than TV Playback, for that
matter), using Ctrl+P for the play button meant that I could use the
SELECT button to start playback (which made sense) or I could use the
pause button (P) to start playback (which didn't make a lot of sense),
but I couldn't use the play button (Ctrl+P) to start playback (which
made no sense when the pause button worked). I may see about adding
PLAY to TV Frontend and making it work like PLAYBACK if I can get buy in
on the idea. Then I can go back to a "real" pause vs play
configuration. :)

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 5, 2009, 1:55 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On 11/05/2009 12:17 PM, David Engel wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:51:34AM -0500, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2009 05:26 PM, David Engel wrote:
>> That's exactly how both my 0.21-fixes system and my trunk system
>> works (just tested both of them to make sure). When in FFWDSTICKY
>> and:
>>
>> - I hit P (PAUSE), it pauses.
>> - I hit Space/Enter (SELECT), it resumes playback
>> - I hit Ctrl+P (PLAY), it resumes playback
>>
> Try pressing INFO instead of the other keys to stop FF in 0.21 and
> then in 0.22. When I used to use an IR keyboard instead of LIRC, I
> had issues for which I don't remember the details with SELECT binding,
> so I got in the habit of pressing INFO to exit FF. It took awhile to
> retrain my muscle memory to stop doing that when I switched to
> pre-0.22.
>

That I didn't try. I was mainly curious about whether the PAUSE/PLAY
behavior changed because his description of what P does now and your
description of what SELECT does matched my memory of how it worked in
0.21-fixes.

I will give it a try tonight (when I turn on the DLP bulb for actual TV
watching :) and see if I can find what changed.

>> So, if something did change between 0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes, it
>> must have been something which only happened with some (non-default)
>> combination of the millions of untestable settings combinations. ;)
>>
> I do have some personal tweaks in tv_play.cpp, but I don't think any
> should affect this. My main point was that there is still
> considerable room to improve the key handling, especially with respect
> to overloaded keys in different contexts.

Yeah, it sounds like it may have been his LIRC config that changed or
similar, based on his latest reply.

Mike
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ylee at pobox

Nov 5, 2009, 5:21 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> says:
> I had done this for a while since I have both a pause and a play
> button on my remote, but I ended up switching it back to just P for
> both the pause button and the play button.

I have the Play button = P = PLAY and Pause = O = PAUSE. During
playback, the Pause button turns pause on and off, while Play only
resumes from pause.

> I may see about adding PLAY to TV Frontend and making it work like
> PLAYBACK if I can get buy in on the idea. Then I can go back to a
> "real" pause vs play configuration. :)

No need. Set PLAYBACK to P, too.

(By binding O to UPCOMING, the otherwise-useless Pause button becomes
useful everywhere outside playback.)

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david at istwok

Nov 5, 2009, 8:38 PM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 05:21:30PM -0800, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> No need. Set PLAYBACK to P, too.
>
> (By binding O to UPCOMING, the otherwise-useless Pause button becomes
> useful everywhere outside playback.)

Couldn't you just leave PLAYBACK and PAUSE alone and bind P to
UPCOMING too? Anyway, this is all why I periodically bring up the
idea of more and nested contexts. With a limited number of keys on
most remotes, you often want to overload them for different contexts
and Myth doesn't always make that easy or possible currently.

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ylee at pobox

Nov 6, 2009, 3:34 AM

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Re: Going from FF to Playback [In reply to]

David Engel <david [at] istwok> says:
> > (By binding O to UPCOMING, the otherwise-useless Pause button becomes
> > useful everywhere outside playback.)
>
> Couldn't you just leave PLAYBACK and PAUSE alone and bind P to
> UPCOMING too?

No; that results in the situation Mike Dean described. Besides, I like
being able to push Play to, well, play, from Watch Recordings.

> Anyway, this is all why I periodically bring up the idea of more and
> nested contexts.

I don't disagree. 0.21's context-sensitive jumppoints was certainly a
step in this regard. 0.22's use of two, separate popup menus in Watch
Recordings and MythVideo seems like a backward step in this regard,
though. (I realize this situation existed before 0.22, but as recent
threads have demonstrated, 0.22's requirement of a second "menu"
button has exacerbated the awkwardness.)

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