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ryan.goat at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 5:40 AM

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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Robert McNamara
<robert.mcnamara [at] gmail> wrote:
> Try to keep conversations on-topic and specific, and we'll do our best
> to explain/work things out.

I can not disagree with any of Robert's proposed changes.

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danielk at cuymedia

Nov 4, 2009, 5:44 AM

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On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 13:07 -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
> Use Window Border (if fullscreen, no borders-- if not, draw borders)
I think you are forgetting the CRT overscan case. There you aren't
really "full-screen" but you don't want window decorations as those
will show at some of the edges of the screen depending on the
brightness of the things currently on screen. As long as "fullscreen"
means 'covering 80% of the screen real-estate' then this should work.

> Hide Mouse Cursor (display when moving, hide after ~5s idle?)
What about 'always hide when in fullscreen mode, never hide when
in bordered mode.' If using a touch screen I don't want the cursor
appearing whenever I click on something, even for 5 seconds, and
when in bordered mode I never want to lose the cursor.

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danielk at cuymedia

Nov 4, 2009, 5:47 AM

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On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:52 -0800, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> > All GUI offset/width spinboxes (respect screen wizard and -geometry
> > command line)
> I have never really gotten the screen wizard to work correctly for me,
> so I rely on the GUI offset/width spinboxes for proper display,
> otherwise, I can't see some of the text on the screen.

We were just talking about how broken the screen wizard is this morning
in IRC. It would obviously need to be replaced with a functional one
before these options could be removed.

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mythtv at mikeholden

Nov 4, 2009, 5:56 AM

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Robert McNamara wrote:
> Date Formats by Locale?

Different people have different requirements/tastes on this. I like to see the day
of the week as well as the year, whereas some people are presumably happy with a
more terse format showing just date and month. I can't see that you could keep
everyone happy with any un-overrideable default here.

> Hide Mouse Cursor (display when moving, hide after ~5s idle?)

Only if fullscreen, otherwise leave cursor visible all the time?

> Display live preview of recordings (will be theme controlled)

Would prefer this to remain, as I think it'as a user preference rather than a theme
decision, possibly at least partially based on hardware limitations. I turn it off
because it is annoying, but some like it.

> Alternate clear and save bookmark (true)
> Clear bookmark on playback (true) (false once we have multiple bookmark support)

Strongly disagree on these. We will often watch part of a program together, and
watch the later part separately. To have the bookmark wiped by the 1st person
watching the 2nd part would be a pain. I prefer to have the button set the bookmark
explicitly when pressed, as it's more intuitive. I would prefer a separate
button/binding for clearing a bookmark, as I don't see bookmarks as a toggle event,
rather as a movable "current location". If I read a book, I don't want the bookmark
to disappear until I finish the book, although admittedly the analogy is a little
stretched here!

Multiple bookmarks (chapter marks?) would be good, but in any case, both these
options should be false, not true (IMHO).

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chris at westnet

Nov 4, 2009, 6:48 AM

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Daniel Kristjansson wrote:

> > Hide Mouse Cursor (display when moving, hide after ~5s idle?)
> What about 'always hide when in fullscreen mode, never hide when
> in bordered mode.' If using a touch screen I don't want the cursor


What about someone running multiple desktops, with Myth running fullscreen
on one of them ? I don't want the mouse cursor disappearing from the
non-myth desktop.

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jarpublic at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 7:40 AM

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> +1. It is maddeningly annoying to have to change something on the fifth page
> of Playback Settings, then try playing something, only to discover you need
> to go back and tweak the settings again.
>
> I would also like to see the abolition of the "you have to go through all
> ten pages of settings and click on Finish before any of your changes will
> take effect" paradigm. This method is good when you want to make a whole
> bunch of changes at once, but not when you want to quickly change one thing
> and get back to where you were.
>
> In an ideal UI, I should be able to get to the page I want, change
> something, hit a Save button, and have it immediately return to whatever
> task I was previously doing.

+10 to both of these suggestions. Getting straight to the settings
from the context and then being able to immediately save without
cycling through the whole group of pages would vastly improve the
usability. In particular for all of the playback settings (e.g.
deciding which deinterlacer to use).
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greg at phaze

Nov 4, 2009, 7:46 AM

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>Use Window Border (if fullscreen, no borders-- if not, draw borders)


I'd like to see this move to being a frontend startup option. --noborder or some such. I don't see it being something that needs a dedicated setting or space in the settings pages but it is something that a user should be able to turn on if they really want it.

>Use Line Edit Virtual Keyboard (true)


I'd rather see this setting stay. Frankly I HATE that virtual keyboard more tha I can say and immediately disable it on all my boxes.

> Audio device (should respect/use default audio device)

I can see where many people might want mythmusic feeding seperate equipment than when watching TV so I'd say this should default to matching the default audio device but a user can overrride if they need too.

Otherwise the list looks good to me :)



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janne-mythtv at grunau

Nov 4, 2009, 7:59 AM

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On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:48:10AM -0500, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>
> > > Hide Mouse Cursor (display when moving, hide after ~5s idle?)
> > What about 'always hide when in fullscreen mode, never hide when
> > in bordered mode.' If using a touch screen I don't want the cursor
>
>
> What about someone running multiple desktops, with Myth running fullscreen
> on one of them ? I don't want the mouse cursor disappearing from the
> non-myth desktop.

It doesn't even if 'Hide Mouse Cursor' is enabled

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perveilerj at gmail

Nov 4, 2009, 9:57 AM

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>
> Fast forward/rewind reposition amount (no idea, but this is WAY too
> fiddly - Whatever the default is now should be fine)
>

Is this the setting where you say how far back to snap after finishing a
fast-forward? Seems like this one is specific to a person's reaction time
and should therefore be left configurable. I had to play with it a while
myself before I found a value that didn't result in me needing to hit "jump
back 5 seconds" after every fast forward. It's almost an accessibility
feature for people who don't react as fast as they used to.

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 10:19 AM

Post #60 of 140 (1561 views)
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On 11/04/2009 12:38 AM, Scott wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Robert McNamara wrote:
>> Extra audio buffering (always true)
> I found tonight on my ASRock 330 ION running 0.21-fixes (JYA pkgs) on
> Ubuntu 9.04 I needed to enable the Extra audio buffering. If I didn't
> I would get sound breakup. The way I read the suggestion here is that
> the setting gets removed and changed from the 0.21-fixes default of
> FALSE to TRUE. Is that correct? If so, I would support that based on
> my experience.

"Extra audio buffering" defaults to true and has since MythTV 0.17, so
it's not changing the default--just making sure that people use the
recommended default. :)

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 10:38 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 01:56:45PM -0000, Mike Holden wrote:
> button/binding for clearing a bookmark, as I don't see bookmarks as a toggle event,
> rather as a movable "current location". If I read a book, I don't want the bookmark
> to disappear until I finish the book, although admittedly the analogy is a little
> stretched here!

<stirring discussion>
So you put in a new bookmark before you remove the old one? You don't take
the old one out and move it to the new location in one motion? :) How often
do you take a bookmark out of a book until you're finished reading?

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 10:41 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 07:56:29AM -0500, Tom Dexter wrote:
> intentionally...luckily I discovered that before my drive recently got
> full enough for auto-expiring to start occurring. I use the watched
> flag to indicate that _I_ watched the show, so my wife knows that she
> can delete it once she's done with it...so I have a lot of stuff
> marked as watched. What's the intention behind that setting?...I
> could never make sense out of it.

Use Recording Groups for this 'OK for the wife to delete' functionality,
it's much easier. When you've watched something that it's OK for her to
delete, move it into her Recording Group.

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 10:44 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 11:09:38AM +0100, Janne Grunau wrote:
> > Seek to exact frame (true)
>
> I would say should depend on the skip/jump amount and keyframe distance.
> I can't image that anybody would care for 1/2 second of precision of a 5
> minute jump.

Sometimes it's not 1/2 a second, depends on the material. 1/2 second
would be the average on material with 1 keyframe per second. That aside
however, I want my commercial skip to skip exactly to the start of the
program after the commercial, I don't want to have 1/2-second blurbs of
some loud obnoxious commercial.

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 10:49 AM

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On 11/04/2009 04:27 AM, Janne Grunau wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:25:29PM -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Richard Morton wrote:
>>
>>>> Maximum commercial skip (3600, the default)
>>>>
>>> We tend to have less frequent longer advert breaks so a default of 5
>>> minutes for max advert skip tends to be too short, however 6 minutes
>>> is nearly always adequate in my experience.
>>>
>> Yeah, six seems enough, and a couple 30 second skips after that in the
>> rare instances it would not be.
>>
> depends on the country, commercial breaks longer than 10 minutes are not
> rare in germany and 6 minutes is more like the minimum commercial break
> length during primetime.

Note that this setting only really benefits people who set,
"Automatically Skip Commercials," to "Automatically Skip." For users
who use, "Notify, but do not skip," the setting actually removes capability.

As it is, any commercial break that's longer than, "Maximum commercial
skip (in seconds)," is ignored and commercial skipping is disabled until
you're within, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)," of a mark. This
setting also prevents users from jumping from section to section of the
recording using SKIPCOMMERCIAL (Z,End) and SKIPCOMMBACK (Q,Home) keys
when those sections are longer than, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)."

Those using, "Notify, but do not skip," can actually hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL
if they feel the time mentioned on the notification is appropriate--or,
as is often the case with me, they can hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL even if they
ignore the time mentioned on the notification--and if it jumps way too
far, just hit SKIPCOMMBACK (or SEEKRWD or JUMPRWND to go back.

Since Chris Pinkham has fixed the issue where commercial skipping would
gladly skip to the end of a recording, the consequences of a "bad skip"
are much lower. Now commercial breaks that end within 10s or so of the
end of the recording won't be skipped (automatically or using the
SKIPCOMMERCIAL key).

And, if the setting is completely removed, the value which is used for
the maximum (automatic) commercial skip (360s or 600s or whatever)
becomes only a "sanity check." Users of "Automatically Skip" could
still use SKIPCOMMERCIAL or SEEKFFWD or JUMPFFWD to skip commercials
that are excluded.

After all, this setting does /not/ fix broken commercial flagging. How
many times are these invalid commercial breaks completely within the
show? I'd venture a guess that the great majority of them are actually
commercial breaks that /include/ some section of the show. So, with or
without this setting, manual user intervention is still required--unless
the user would rather watch a whole commercial break than lift a finger. :)

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 10:51 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:47:08AM +0100, Janne Grunau wrote:
> > sed -i -e '/<livepreview/d' CPUHungryTheme/*.xml
> >
> > (making up tag names, but you get the point--just edit the theme if you
> > must use a theme whose author likes live preview, but you don't want it)
>
> I disagree. I don't think this is something a themer should decide.
> The difference in the visual appearance is imho insignificant. So it's
> perfectly fine to have a setting for this because the user finds the
> live-previews distracting, makes the ui sluggish, kills the climate, ...
> or in the opposite case wants to delete a recoring beacause $PERSON
> appears in the first second, ...

I think that with the current flexibility of the UI engine, it should
be more up to the themer, but also think that if the use doesn't want an
animated video, they should be able to easily switch to just displaying
the preview image. I always turn off the animated video, and in 0.21 and
prior, I turned off the preview images as well. I think I'm the one that
added the old <altarea> tag to allow the description to flow over into
the preview area of the theme when no preview was being shown. I think
in 0.22+, we've left the preview on/off decision up to the themer, but
I think we should leave the preview image/video decision up to the user.

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 11:00 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 03:25:23AM -0500, Patrick Davila wrote:
> I would be happy if "skip commercials automatically" was checked by default.

I wrote most of the commercial flagging code and I don't even use
Auto-skip, so I would not want this option turned on by default.
I don't use 'notify' mode either. Auto-skip ON should be a
conscious decision by the user if the decide that the commercial
flagging works well enough on their recordings to allow it to auto-skip
during playback. Even in places where the flagger does work well, it
still may not work well on some channels, so enabling auto-skip by
default across the board should be a user decision based on the
channels they record from.

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daworm at comcast

Nov 4, 2009, 11:08 AM

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Chris Pinkham wrote:
> <stirring discussion>
> So you put in a new bookmark before you remove the old one? You don't take
> the old one out and move it to the new location in one motion? :) How often
> do you take a bookmark out of a book until you're finished reading?
>
Not sure how applicable this is to video bookmarks, but with certain
books, I keep two bookmarks going. One at my current position and one
at the page with notes for the current chapter (or the page of the last
note). Or sometimes the second one is used for a map or table or other
useful info. Very handy for things like Christopher Tolkien's analysis
of his father's works, where the note content is as interesting if not
more so than the main text.

Personally, I'd prefer the last watched position autosaved, so that if I
leave in the middle, and come back, it resumes from that point, or maybe
even better, pops up a menu asking if I want to resume from the last
point or start over (maybe its been a while and I've forgotten what I
saw or need a refresher). It may even be possible to set it up that way
now but I haven't found those settings if it is. But that's a very
personal taste, and making something like that configurable leads to
MORE, not LESS options to wade through, unless of course you go with a
basic vs advanced concept where the settings are still there, but you
don't have to wade through them to do the simple, common things.

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cpinkham at bc2va

Nov 4, 2009, 11:13 AM

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* On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:08:01PM -0500, Jeff Wormsley wrote:
> Chris Pinkham wrote:
> >So you put in a new bookmark before you remove the old one? You don't take

> Not sure how applicable this is to video bookmarks, but with certain
> books, I keep two bookmarks going. One at my current position and one

Currently we only have one bookmark, so my analogy applies. When we get
the ability to have multiple bookmarks, then it's a new ballgame.

> Personally, I'd prefer the last watched position autosaved, so that if I
> leave in the middle, and come back, it resumes from that point, or maybe
> even better, pops up a menu asking if I want to resume from the last

Once we have multiple bookmarks, then a menu option to choose which bookmark
(possibly even with preview pixmaps from each) would be created to allow
starting playback at a particular bookmark.

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 11:15 AM

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On 11/04/2009 07:22 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Christopher Kerr wrote:
>> With many people submitting their particular situation as evidence it
>> should be one value or another, doesn't it prove that this setting is
>> user-configurable for a reason?
> I was just thinking that myself. Also, since the program has to
> include functionality to "skip unless it's more than x" then it would
> seem that there isn't the code cleanup reason to remove this. Ie, the
> code is virtually identical whether x is a compiled in fixed value or
> fetched from a settings database.
>
> I think it's the only one in the list I'd disagree with removing.

Again, I would bet that the vast majority of people talking about the
length of commercial breaks are not using this setting or don't realize
its effect (and, therefore, may actually be better off not using it).
See my previous e-mail.

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 11:22 AM

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On 11/04/2009 07:56 AM, Tom Dexter wrote:
> One setting I never understood under the TV->General->AutoExpire
> settings is "Re-record watched". Apparently that causes a show to be
> re-recorded

(actually, to "allow" re-recording)

> if it's auto expired _and_ marked as watched.

Yes, because no matter what, if the show is marked as /not/ watched,
autoexpire will /always/ delete the file and set the episode to allow
re-recording.

> For some
> reason mine was on, and certainly never set it, at least not
> intentionally...

It defaults to true because that means all programs are expired the
same--because of the always-on "allow re-record if not watched."

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Nov 4, 2009, 11:41 AM

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
> On 11/04/2009 04:27 AM, Janne Grunau wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:25:29PM -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Richard Morton wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximum commercial skip (3600, the default)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We tend to have less frequent longer advert breaks so a default of 5
>>>> minutes for max advert skip tends to be too short, however 6 minutes
>>>> is nearly always adequate in my experience.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, six seems enough, and a couple 30 second skips after that in the
>>> rare instances it would not be.
>>>
>>
>> depends on the country, commercial breaks longer than 10 minutes are not
>> rare in germany and 6 minutes is more like the minimum commercial break
>> length during primetime.
>
> Note that this setting only really benefits people who set, "Automatically
> Skip Commercials," to "Automatically Skip."  For users who use, "Notify, but
> do not skip," the setting actually removes capability.
>
> As it is, any commercial break that's longer than, "Maximum commercial skip
> (in seconds)," is ignored and commercial skipping is disabled until you're
> within, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)," of a mark.  This setting
> also prevents users from jumping from section to section of the recording
> using SKIPCOMMERCIAL (Z,End) and SKIPCOMMBACK (Q,Home) keys when those
> sections are longer than, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)."
>
> Those using, "Notify, but do not skip," can actually hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL if
> they feel the time mentioned on the notification is appropriate--or, as is
> often the case with me, they can hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL even if they ignore the
> time mentioned on the notification--and if it jumps way too far, just hit
> SKIPCOMMBACK (or SEEKRWD or JUMPRWND to go back.

Except that if you press the commercial skip button a second time it
will skip the commercial even if it's longer than the max length.

I have mine set to 5 minutes, and I have notify turned on. Half the
time I don't notice how long the commercial is before hitting skip, so
I definitely appreciate the warning. Also, I'd say that most of the
time when break is over 5 minutes the actual commercial break is less
than that, so I usually use the 30-second skip after the warning.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 11:42 AM

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Re: [RFC] Proposed settings rework [In reply to]

On 11/04/2009 02:13 PM, Chris Pinkham wrote:
> * On Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:08:01PM -0500, Jeff Wormsley wrote:
>> Personally, I'd prefer the last watched position autosaved,

Action on playback exit
- Just exit
- Save position and exit
- Always prompt (excluding Live TV)
- Always prompt (including Live TV)
- Prompt for Live TV only
If set to prompt, a menu will be displayed when you exit playback mode.
The options available will allow you to save your position, delete the
recording, or continue watching.



>> so that if I
>> leave in the middle, and come back, it resumes from that point,

So you want, "Save position and exit."

>> or maybe
>> even better, pops up a menu asking if I want to resume from the last
>>

INFO|Play from...

The above is the best proof that we have /way/ too many settings--when a
long-time user of Myth can't figure out the right combination of
settings to do what he wants because the useful settings (and this one
is not one proposed for removal) are buried with a bunch of
usele^H^H^H^H^Hless-useful ones. :)

> Once we have multiple bookmarks, then a menu option to choose which bookmark
> (possibly even with preview pixmaps from each) would be created to allow
> starting playback at a particular bookmark.

Yeah, my plan includes preview pixmaps--probably something similar to
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6322 (but mythui/fully themable--I'm
not sure if #6322 has been updated with mythui/theming support).

Mike
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 11:48 AM

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Re: [RFC] Proposed settings rework [In reply to]

On 11/04/2009 08:27 AM, Dan Wilga wrote:
> At 11:49 AM +1300 11/4/09, Nick Rout wrote:
>> (2) make the settings more accessible. From each screen/plugin add a
>> context menu button to go straight to the config options for that
>> screen. (presently its escape back to main menu, forward through
>> several setup menus, make the changes then escape back out to main
>> menu and all the way back to your screen. My suggestion is not only
>> more user friendly in terms of button presses, but may save those
>> endless posts asking "where is the settings option for foobar" - the
>> answer will become "from the foobar screen hit [info] and choose
>> [settings]"
>
> +1. It is maddeningly annoying to have to change something on the
> fifth page of Playback Settings, then try playing something, only to
> discover you need to go back and tweak the settings again.
>
> I would also like to see the abolition of the "you have to go through
> all ten pages of settings and click on Finish before any of your
> changes will take effect" paradigm. This method is good when you want
> to make a whole bunch of changes at once, but not when you want to
> quickly change one thing and get back to where you were.
>
> In an ideal UI, I should be able to get to the page I want, change
> something, hit a Save button, and have it immediately return to
> whatever task I was previously doing.

Or, better, change the option without even using a settings page--like
we're doing for "Include the 'Watch List' group" and "Show 'LiveTV'
recordings when using "All Programs" filter".

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Nov 4, 2009, 11:59 AM

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[RFC] Proposed settings rework [In reply to]

> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:47:52 -0500
> From: Daniel Kristjansson <danielk [at] cuymedia>

> On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:52 -0800, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> > > All GUI offset/width spinboxes (respect screen wizard and -geometry
> > > command line)
> > I have never really gotten the screen wizard to work correctly for me,
> > so I rely on the GUI offset/width spinboxes for proper display,
> > otherwise, I can't see some of the text on the screen.

> We were just talking about how broken the screen wizard is this morning
> in IRC. It would obviously need to be replaced with a functional one
> before these options could be removed.

I had to use size & offset in both axes to get my PVR350's output to
correctly display on my Sony CRT without overscan making it impossible
to use any of the frontend GUI (since the next/finish buttons are off
the screen in both axes otherwis), and to correctly cover over any
background and/or decorations and to get precisely to the edge of the
screen and no farther. I don't use the offsets in playback; just in
the GUI. Would -geometry affect only GUI, or would it affect playback
as well?

(In short, I'm hoping that nuking these won't leave people with either
a 350---of whom there still seem to be a decent number---or with displays
that overscan without a way to compensate. If the answer is, "We don't
care about users with 350's", then my answer will be, "I'm not upgrading
past that point until I have other reasons to invest in new hardware",
but I'm assuming that you're saying there will be some other way to
access the same functionality, even on things like 350's.)
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 4, 2009, 12:06 PM

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Re: [RFC] Proposed settings rework [In reply to]

On 11/04/2009 02:41 PM, Fred Squires wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2009 04:27 AM, Janne Grunau wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:25:29PM -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Richard Morton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Maximum commercial skip (3600, the default)
>>>>> We tend to have less frequent longer advert breaks so a default of 5
>>>>> minutes for max advert skip tends to be too short, however 6 minutes
>>>>> is nearly always adequate in my experience.
>>>> Yeah, six seems enough, and a couple 30 second skips after that in the
>>>> rare instances it would not be.
>>> depends on the country, commercial breaks longer than 10 minutes are not
>>> rare in germany and 6 minutes is more like the minimum commercial break
>>> length during primetime.
>>>
>> Note that this setting only really benefits people who set, "Automatically
>> Skip Commercials," to "Automatically Skip." For users who use, "Notify, but
>> do not skip," the setting actually removes capability.
>>
>> As it is, any commercial break that's longer than, "Maximum commercial skip
>> (in seconds)," is ignored and commercial skipping is disabled until you're
>> within, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)," of a mark. This setting
>> also prevents users from jumping from section to section of the recording
>> using SKIPCOMMERCIAL (Z,End) and SKIPCOMMBACK (Q,Home) keys when those
>> sections are longer than, "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)."
>>
>> Those using, "Notify, but do not skip," can actually hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL if
>> they feel the time mentioned on the notification is appropriate--or, as is
>> often the case with me, they can hit SKIPCOMMERCIAL even if they ignore the
>> time mentioned on the notification--and if it jumps way too far, just hit
>> SKIPCOMMBACK (or SEEKRWD or JUMPRWND to go back.
>>
> Except that if you press the commercial skip button a second time it
> will skip the commercial even if it's longer than the max length.
>
> I have mine set to 5 minutes, and I have notify turned on. Half the
> time I don't notice how long the commercial is before hitting skip, so
> I definitely appreciate the warning. Also, I'd say that most of the
> time when break is over 5 minutes the actual commercial break is less
> than that, so I usually use the 30-second skip after the warning.

Ah, yeah. If you hit the button again within 3 seconds, it skips. Even
better--further proof that it's only useful as a sanity check.

You either SKIPCOMMERCIAL then SKIPCOMMBACK or SKIPCOMMERCIAL then
SEEKREW/JUMPREW without "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)". Or,
with "Maximum commercial skip (in seconds)", you SKIPCOMMERCIAL then
SKIPCOMMERCIAL again within 3s or SKIPCOMMERCIAL then SEEKFFWD/JUMPFFW.
With or without the max requires manual-user-intervention to do the
right thing (whether or not you've enabled, "Automatically skip").

Mike
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