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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 1, 2009, 6:55 PM

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Movie Times Plugin outside North America

I live in New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_zealand) . Is
there a way to access the movie times plugin in nythtv. On 0.21 the
only input available seems to be the zip code, which doesn't work.

However google does seem to have a page giving me the appropriate
information, I just don't know how to get it into myth.

Here is a page that shows my local movies:

http://www.google.com/movies?q=movie+times&mid=&hl=en&oi=showtimes&ct=change-location&near=christchurch
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michael_zanetti at gmx

Nov 2, 2009, 1:17 AM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

Hi,

I'm using this grabber script in Germany:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5164

The site seems to be down currently. Here you can find a similar version:

http://github.com/Jonty/Googlemovies/blob/master/googlemovies.pl

Hope this works for New Zealand too. Perhaps you have to adjust the URL in the
scrip a little bit.

Cheers,
Michael

On Monday 02 November 2009 03:55:05 Nick Rout wrote:
> I live in New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_zealand) . Is
> there a way to access the movie times plugin in nythtv. On 0.21 the
> only input available seems to be the zip code, which doesn't work.
>
> However google does seem to have a page giving me the appropriate
> information, I just don't know how to get it into myth.
>
> Here is a page that shows my local movies:
>
> http://www.google.com/movies?q=movie+times&mid=&hl=en&oi=showtimes&ct=chang
> e-location&near=christchurch
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derliebegott at gmail

Nov 2, 2009, 1:43 AM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

2009/11/2 Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti[at]gmx.net>:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using this grabber script in Germany:
>
> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5164
>
> The site seems to be down currently. Here you can find a similar version:
>
> http://github.com/Jonty/Googlemovies/blob/master/googlemovies.pl
>
> Hope this works for New Zealand too. Perhaps you have to adjust the URL in the
> scrip a little bit.
>

I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.
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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 2, 2009, 7:40 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/11/2 Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti[at]gmx.net>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using this grabber script in Germany:
>>
>> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5164
>>
>> The site seems to be down currently. Here you can find a similar version:
>>
>> http://github.com/Jonty/Googlemovies/blob/master/googlemovies.pl
>>
>> Hope this works for New Zealand too. Perhaps you have to adjust the URL in the
>> scrip a little bit.
>>
>
> I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
> details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
> Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.

And/or then interfacing with apple movie trailers to see a trailer...

Thanks for the replies people, will have a play.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 2, 2009, 10:36 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On 11/02/2009 10:40 PM, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>
>> I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
>> details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
>> Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.
> And/or then interfacing with apple movie trailers to see a trailer...

Unfortunately, doing so would be a violation of the Apple website ToS
unless "interfacing" meant allowing you to hit a button that brought up
MythBrowser pointed to the Apple trailers website and let you use their
web interface to find and view the trailer. (The only "interface" we're
allowed to do is make it easy for you to bring up a browser to use
Apple's HTML interface to access the site.)

Mike

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derliebegott at gmail

Nov 2, 2009, 11:35 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

2009/11/3 Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com>:
> On 11/02/2009 10:40 PM, Nick Rout wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
>>> details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
>>> Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.
>>
>> And/or then interfacing with apple movie trailers to see a trailer...
>
> Unfortunately, doing so would be a violation of the Apple website ToS unless
> "interfacing" meant allowing you to hit a button that brought up MythBrowser
> pointed to the Apple trailers website and let you use their web interface to
> find and view the trailer. �(The only "interface" we're allowed to do is
> make it easy for you to bring up a browser to use Apple's HTML interface to
> access the site.)
>

even xml feeds like http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml??

because (at least my) browser cannot do anything with this xml.

how should someone access these
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 2, 2009, 11:54 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On 11/03/2009 02:35 AM, Ma Begaj wrote:
> 2009/11/3 Michael T. Dean:
>
>> On 11/02/2009 10:40 PM, Nick Rout wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
>>>> details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
>>>> Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.
>>>>
>>> And/or then interfacing with apple movie trailers to see a trailer...
>>>
>> Unfortunately, doing so would be a violation of the Apple website ToS unless
>> "interfacing" meant allowing you to hit a button that brought up MythBrowser
>> pointed to the Apple trailers website and let you use their web interface to
>> find and view the trailer. (The only "interface" we're allowed to do is
>> make it easy for you to bring up a browser to use Apple's HTML interface to
>> access the site.)
> even xml feeds like http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml??\
>

My understanding is that those XML feeds are not meant for public
consumption. They're instead accessing the data server that Apple is
using to create the HTML web site. This isn't to say that they are
actively trying to prevent access--I'm sure they allow Apple developers
using the Apple SDK's or some Apple service key or Apple ID or whatever
to access the feed when developing applications for Apple products like
the iPhone or whatever. However, since there's no specific ToS for the
XML feed, and since the XML feed is served as part of the same web site
that includes the "main" Apple web site, it seems to be covered under
the same ToS.

> because (at least my) browser cannot do anything with this xml.
>
> how should someone access these

Apple seems to want you and your browser to go to
http://www.apple.com/trailers/ .

Feel free to read the Apple ToS at
http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html . Specifically of interest are:

-----
Your Use of the Site
You may not use any �deep-link�, �page-scrape�, �robot�, �spider� or
other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology, or any
similar or equivalent manual process, to access, acquire, copy or
monitor any portion of the Site or any Content, or in any way reproduce
or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Site or
any Content, to obtain or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or
information through any means not purposely made available through the
Site. Apple reserves the right to bar any such activity.
...
You agree that you will not take any action that imposes an unreasonable
or disproportionately large load on the infrastructure of the Site or
Apple�s systems or networks, or any systems or networks connected to the
Site or to Apple
...
You may not forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order
to disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send to Apple
on or through the Site or any service offered on or through the Site.
You may not pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else,
or impersonate any other individual or entity.
-----

And note that Apple /has/ recently changed their trailers page such that
they only allow certain applications (such as Apple QuickTime) to
download the trailers. Therefore, the "You may not forge headers or
otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any
message or transmittal," portion is especially relevant.

See, also,
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/393292#393292 .

Mike
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Nov 3, 2009, 3:03 AM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

\> I live in New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_zealand) . Is
> there a way to access the movie times plugin in nythtv. On 0.21 the
> only input available seems to be the zip code, which doesn't work.
>
> However google does seem to have a page giving me the appropriate
> information, I just don't know how to get it into myth.

You might need to modify the script provided in MythTV to work with
the NZ postcodes. I did something similar for Aussie movies. I think
it's stopped working now due to changes made at Google's end and I
haven't got round to fixing it. Some others may have worked on it and
you might find it a starting point if you search the mailing list
archives.
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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 3, 2009, 12:29 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> On 11/03/2009 02:35 AM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>>
>> 2009/11/3 Michael T. Dean:
>>
>>>
>>> On 11/02/2009 10:40 PM, Nick Rout wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be nice to be able to (on click) download and show movie
>>>>> details like in mythvideo's ttvdb.
>>>>> Integrating look and feel of mythvideo in this plugin would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And/or then interfacing with apple movie trailers to see a trailer...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, doing so would be a violation of the Apple website ToS
>>> unless
>>> "interfacing" meant allowing you to hit a button that brought up
>>> MythBrowser
>>> pointed to the Apple trailers website and let you use their web interface
>>> to
>>> find and view the trailer. �(The only "interface" we're allowed to do is
>>> make it easy for you to bring up a browser to use Apple's HTML interface
>>> to
>>> access the site.)
>>
>> even xml feeds like http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml??\
>>
>
> My understanding is that those XML feeds are not meant for public
> consumption. They're instead accessing the data server that Apple is using
> to create the HTML web site. This isn't to say that they are actively trying
> to prevent access--I'm sure they allow Apple developers using the Apple
> SDK's or some Apple service key or Apple ID or whatever to access the feed
> when developing applications for Apple products like the iPhone or whatever.
> However, since there's no specific ToS for the XML feed, and since the XML
> feed is served as part of the same web site that includes the "main" Apple
> web site, it seems to be covered under the same ToS.
>
>> because (at least my) browser cannot do anything with this xml.
>>
>> how should someone access these
>
> Apple seems to want you and your browser to go to
> http://www.apple.com/trailers/ .
>
> Feel free to read the Apple ToS at
> http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html . Specifically of interest are:
>
> -----
> Your Use of the Site
> You may not use any �deep-link�, �page-scrape�, �robot�, �spider� or other
> automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology, or any similar or
> equivalent manual process, to access, acquire, copy or monitor any portion
> of the Site or any Content, or in any way reproduce or circumvent the
> navigational structure or presentation of the Site or any Content, to obtain
> or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or information through any
> means not purposely made available through the Site. Apple reserves the
> right to bar any such activity.
> ...
> You agree that you will not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or
> disproportionately large load on the infrastructure of the Site or Apple�s
> systems or networks, or any systems or networks connected to the Site or to
> Apple
> ...
> You may not forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to
> disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send to Apple on or
> through the Site or any service offered on or through the Site. You may not
> pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else, or impersonate
> any other individual or entity.
> -----
>
> And note that Apple /has/ recently changed their trailers page such that
> they only allow certain applications (such as Apple QuickTime) to download
> the trailers. Therefore, the "You may not forge headers or otherwise
> manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any message or
> transmittal," portion is especially relevant.
>
> See, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/393292#393292
> .
>
> Mike

I take it you are saying then that (eg) the xbmc apple trailers plugin
violates apple's terms?
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Nov 3, 2009, 1:14 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On 11/03/2009 03:29 PM, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/2009 02:35 AM, Ma Begaj wrote:
>>
>>> even xml feeds like http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml??\
>>>
>> My understanding is that those XML feeds are not meant for public
>> consumption. They're instead accessing the data server that Apple is using
>> to create the HTML web site. This isn't to say that they are actively trying
>> to prevent access--I'm sure they allow Apple developers using the Apple
>> SDK's or some Apple service key or Apple ID or whatever to access the feed
>> when developing applications for Apple products like the iPhone or whatever.
>> However, since there's no specific ToS for the XML feed, and since the XML
>> feed is served as part of the same web site that includes the "main" Apple
>> web site, it seems to be covered under the same ToS.
>>
>>> because (at least my) browser cannot do anything with this xml.
>>>
>>> how should someone access these
>>>
>> Apple seems to want you and your browser to go to
>> http://www.apple.com/trailers/ .
>>
>> Feel free to read the Apple ToS at
>> http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html . Specifically of interest are:
>>
>> -----
>> Your Use of the Site
>> You may not use any �deep-link�, �page-scrape�, �robot�, �spider� or other
>> automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology, or any similar or
>> equivalent manual process, to access, acquire, copy or monitor any portion
>> of the Site or any Content, or in any way reproduce or circumvent the
>> navigational structure or presentation of the Site or any Content, to obtain
>> or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or information through any
>> means not purposely made available through the Site. Apple reserves the
>> right to bar any such activity.
>> ...
>> You agree that you will not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or
>> disproportionately large load on the infrastructure of the Site or Apple�s
>> systems or networks, or any systems or networks connected to the Site or to
>> Apple
>> ...
>> You may not forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to
>> disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send to Apple on or
>> through the Site or any service offered on or through the Site. You may not
>> pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else, or impersonate
>> any other individual or entity.
>> -----
>>
>> And note that Apple /has/ recently changed their trailers page such that
>> they only allow certain applications (such as Apple QuickTime) to download
>> the trailers. Therefore, the "You may not forge headers or otherwise
>> manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any message or
>> transmittal," portion is especially relevant.
>>
>> See, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/393292#393292
>> .
>>
> I take it you are saying then that (eg) the xbmc apple trailers plugin
> violates apple's terms?

I'm simply saying that I think the MythTV project would be very limited
in its ability to provide much of an interface to the Apple trailers
website--other than kicking off a browser application (potentially one
pointed to the right page or the search results page).

I have absolutely no knowledge of what the XBMC Apple Trailers plugin
does or how it works. If someone can provide any approach that
works--and that's (explicitly) approved (or at the very least, not
disallowed by any reasonable interpretation of the ToS), that would be
great.

IANAL.

Mike
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raymond at wagnerrp

Nov 3, 2009, 3:07 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

Nick Rout wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
>
>> You may not forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to
>> disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send to Apple on or
>> through the Site or any service offered on or through the Site. You may not
>> pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else, or impersonate
>> any other individual or entity.
>> -----
>>
>> And note that Apple /has/ recently changed their trailers page such that
>> they only allow certain applications (such as Apple QuickTime) to download
>> the trailers. Therefore, the "You may not forge headers or otherwise
>> manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any message or
>> transmittal," portion is especially relevant.
>>
>
> I take it you are saying then that (eg) the xbmc apple trailers plugin
> violates apple's terms?
>

There is no linux version of Quicktime. Unless XBMC has been offered
special dispensation by Apple to download from their trailer site, there
is no authorized access to Apple trailers from within linux.
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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 3, 2009, 3:43 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Raymond Wagner <raymond[at]wagnerrp.com> wrote:
> Nick Rout wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You may not forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to
>>> disguise the origin of any message or transmittal you send to Apple on or
>>> through the Site or any service offered on or through the Site. You may not
>>> pretend that you are, or that you represent, someone else, or impersonate
>>> any other individual or entity.
>>> -----
>>>
>>> And note that Apple /has/ recently changed their trailers page such that
>>> they only allow certain applications (such as Apple QuickTime) to download
>>> the trailers. Therefore, the "You may not forge headers or otherwise
>>> manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any message or
>>> transmittal," portion is especially relevant.
>>>
>>
>> I take it you are saying then that (eg) the xbmc apple trailers plugin
>> violates apple's terms?
>>
>
> There is no linux version of Quicktime. �Unless XBMC has been offered
> special dispensation by Apple to download from their trailer site, there
> is no authorized access to Apple trailers from within linux.

Given that the latest tweak I saw on the xbmc forums seemed to involve
setting a user-agent, you are probably right!

Shame really, a link from the 'local screenings' page directly to a
trailer would be nice functionality!

Getting really OT now, but the contents of
http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml seems to differ to
http://images.apple.com/trailers/home/rss/newtrailers.rss
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ylee at pobox

Nov 3, 2009, 5:35 PM

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Re: Movie Times Plugin outside North America [In reply to]

Nick Rout <nick.rout[at]gmail.com> says:
> Getting really OT now, but the contents of
> http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml seems to differ to
> http://images.apple.com/trailers/home/rss/newtrailers.rss

One lists the 20 or so most-recent trailers, along with a few
associated clips. The other lists every trailer Apple offers.

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