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steve at priorityelectronics

Feb 4, 2009, 8:46 AM

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The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true?

The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.

What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good ebay
reviews.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer_W0Q
QitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item220354063431&_trks
id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1
|293%3A1|294%3A50

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Feb 4, 2009, 8:54 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Steve Peters - Priority Electronics
<steve[at]priorityelectronics.com> wrote:
> The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
> with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
> mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
> free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
> What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
> is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good ebay
> reviews.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer_W0Q
> QitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item220354063431&_trks
> id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1
> |293%3A1|294%3A50
>
>
> -Steve
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They're liquidators. They purchase hardware from companies going out
of business or falling upon hard times for pennies on the dollar, and
resell it.

It's also below average processorwise, memorywise, and diskwise (2 GB
CF) and still using a bookcase format case (which are often used for
Micro ATX motherboards). It'd probably make a fairly slick SD
frontend (or ultimately a decent VDPAU frontend w/ the addition of a
PCI nvidia card), but IMO the SD ship has sailed-- I'd rather get an
Atom board and get more power, smaller form factor, and drastically
reduced power consumption.

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Dean at cognation

Feb 4, 2009, 8:55 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to betrue? [In reply to]

Can you tinyurl that
Or check out www.delivr.com which is a similar app a friend of mine
started recently.

Regards,

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces[at]mythtv.org [mailto:mythtv-users-
> bounces[at]mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Steve Peters - Priority Electronics
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:46 AM
> To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> Subject: [mythtv-users] The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to
betrue?
>
> The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M
system
> with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a
complete
> mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99
with
> free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
> What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only
$99.00? Or
> is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good
ebay
> reviews.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer
_W0Q
> QitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item22035406343
> 1&_trks
> id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A131
> 8|301%3A1
> |293%3A1|294%3A50
>
>
> -Steve
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Feb 4, 2009, 9:01 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

2009/2/4 Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara[at]gmail.com>:
> PCI nvidia card), but IMO the SD ship has sailed-- I'd rather get an
> Atom board and get more power, smaller form factor, and drastically
> reduced power consumption.

Are any of the Atom processors actually more powerful than a 1.8ghz pentium-m?
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Feb 4, 2009, 9:03 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, February 4, 2009 4:46 pm, Steve Peters - Priority Electronics wrote:
> The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
> with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
> mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
> free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
> What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
> is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good ebay
> reviews.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer_W0Q
> QitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item220354063431&_trks
> id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1
> |293%3A1|294%3A50
>
>
> -Steve

Well, it's not exactly small or pretty. Looks like it only has PCI slots
(from the picture) so if you wanted to put in an NVIDIA card for VDAPU you
might struggle. Could be noisy as well, and it's not clear if the sound
is 5.1.

But at that price it could be worth finding out!

Robert.

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linux at thehobsons

Feb 4, 2009, 9:04 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

Steve Peters wrote:
>The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
>with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
>mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
>free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
>What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
>is this the best deal you ever heard of?

It's a used motherboard, and probably a used case
etc - ie these are second hand systems. They have
probably come from an upgrade program - perhaps
an EPOS upgrade for a large retailer. As such,
they will probably have been bought for next to
nothing, and hence can be sold at that price.

Next, as to using it for MythTV, is the spec OK ?
The item page has a link to the motherboard specs
(http://www.i3368g.com/spec.html) where it says :

Chipset Intel� 852GM + ICH*4

Display
Chipset
Integrated in Intel� 852GM GMCH
Memory Size
Max. up to 64MB frame buffer sharing system memory
Resolution
*Single display mode - CRT: 1600 x 1200; LVDS LCD: 1366 x 768
*DualView mode - CRT: 1600 x 1200; LVDS LCD: 1366 x 768
Output Interface
*CRT connector for DAC output *LVDS LCD with 18/36 or 24/48 bit channel mode

Is that a decent mainboard and graphics setup for Myth ?

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Feb 4, 2009, 9:11 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:01 AM, James Stembridge <jstembridge[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/2/4 Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara[at]gmail.com>:
>> PCI nvidia card), but IMO the SD ship has sailed-- I'd rather get an
>> Atom board and get more power, smaller form factor, and drastically
>> reduced power consumption.
>
> Are any of the Atom processors actually more powerful than a 1.8ghz pentium-m?
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Pentium M processors are single core processors derived from the
Pentium III. The Atom preocessors are similar in clock rate to this
chip, with a design closer to the (much much more efficient per-clock)
Core series, and in some cases dual core. So yeah, in addition to
being much less power hungry, the Atoms are substantially faster than
a Pentium M. :)

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beww at beww

Feb 4, 2009, 9:14 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:46:03 Steve Peters - Priority Electronics
wrote:
> The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
> with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
> mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
> free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
> What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
> is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good ebay
> reviews.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer_W0
>Q
> QitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item220354063431&_trk
>s
> id=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A
>1
>
> |293%3A1|294%3A50

Looks interesting, but I wonder what the " onboard integrated video
controller" is. I'd also like to know if the USB ports are 1.1 or 2.0.

I have seen similar deals elsewhere. They save by not including a hard drive,
or an OS license.

Note that it is a "used" device. I don't have a problem with that, as long as
it's disclosed.

They are most likely off-lease machines, and probably 3 or 4 year old
technology at least.

Now, if it had a VDPAU-capable video chip...

Still interesting.

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jstembridge at gmail

Feb 4, 2009, 9:17 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

2009/2/4 Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara[at]gmail.com>:
> Pentium M processors are single core processors derived from the
> Pentium III. The Atom preocessors are similar in clock rate to this
> chip, with a design closer to the (much much more efficient per-clock)
> Core series, and in some cases dual core. So yeah, in addition to
> being much less power hungry, the Atoms are substantially faster than
> a Pentium M. :)

These benchmarks seem to indicated that clock-for-clock the pentium-m is faster.

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3321&p=8
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drescherjm at gmail

Feb 4, 2009, 9:23 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, James Stembridge <jstembridge[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/2/4 Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara[at]gmail.com>:
>> Pentium M processors are single core processors derived from the
>> Pentium III. The Atom preocessors are similar in clock rate to this
>> chip, with a design closer to the (much much more efficient per-clock)
>> Core series, and in some cases dual core. So yeah, in addition to
>> being much less power hungry, the Atoms are substantially faster than
>> a Pentium M. :)
>

I would compare Atom to a 486 that has been increased in frequency to
1.8GHz using current transistor technology. The atom cpu does not do
out of order execution of instructions like current x86 processors do.

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Feb 4, 2009, 9:32 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, James Stembridge <jstembridge[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/2/4 Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara[at]gmail.com>:
>>> Pentium M processors are single core processors derived from the
>>> Pentium III. The Atom preocessors are similar in clock rate to this
>>> chip, with a design closer to the (much much more efficient per-clock)
>>> Core series, and in some cases dual core. So yeah, in addition to
>>> being much less power hungry, the Atoms are substantially faster than
>>> a Pentium M. :)
>>
>
> I would compare Atom to a 486 that has been increased in frequency to
> 1.8GHz using current transistor technology. The atom cpu does not do
> out of order execution of instructions like current x86 processors do.
>
>
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There are pretty substantial differences across the Atom line,
however-- for example, where the Atom single cores are outpaced by the
(out of order capable) Via C7 processors, the via processors are in
turn beaten by the dual core Atoms using a single core. (and
likewise, the newer Atoms benchmark better than the first run did
against the Pentium M)

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nico at youplala

Feb 4, 2009, 10:57 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 09:11 -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
> Pentium M processors are single core processors derived from the
> Pentium III. The Atom preocessors are similar in clock rate to this
> chip, with a design closer to the (much much more efficient per-clock)
> Core series, and in some cases dual core. So yeah, in addition to
> being much less power hungry, the Atoms are substantially faster than
> a Pentium M. :)

An the Core and Core 2 are derived from the Pentium-m, itself derived
form the Pentium III. P4 was a dead end.

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Feb 12, 2009, 5:31 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

"Steve Peters - Priority Electronics" <steve[at]priorityelectronics.com> writes:

> The following link is a company on ebay selling a 1.8ghz Pentium M system
> with 1gb ram and 2gb compact flash memory for the hard drive in a complete
> mini itx system that measures 13" by 11" by 3" and it's all only $99 with
> free shipping....Includes power supply and everything.
>
> What am I missing here. How is this company to do this for only $99.00? Or
> is this the best deal you ever heard of? They seem to have very good ebay
> reviews.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-ITX-1-8GHz-iGoLogic-i3368G-LF-CPU-HTPC-Computer_W0QQitemZ220354063431QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item220354063431&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

FYI, mine arrived yesterday. Haven't tried to get Myth running on
it yet, but here are two things I noticed:

1. The BIOS had a password. The BIOS comes from Award. I tried all
of the backdoor passwords listed here
http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-bios-password.shtml but none
worked. I managed to boot into Linux anyhow and then I ran this
cmospwd utility http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd which told
me the password was "realityi" (which indeed worked).

2. I haven't been able to get Linux (Fedora Core 10) to recognize
the CompactFlash drive. The BIOS recognizes the CF and starts
booting from it, but then once Linux is actually running it
complains that it can't find the boot device, and booting halts.
When I boot from USB, I haven't been able to get Linux to
recognize the CF drive. I'll keep poking at it (any ideas?), but
for now I'm just booting from USB.

More later.

Michael

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Feb 12, 2009, 6:03 AM

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> FYI, mine arrived yesterday. Haven't tried to get Myth running on
> it yet, but here are two things I noticed:
>
> 1. The BIOS had a password. The BIOS comes from Award. I tried all
> of the backdoor passwords listed here
> http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-bios-password.shtml but none
> worked. I managed to boot into Linux anyhow and then I ran this
> cmospwd utility http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd which told
> me the password was "realityi" (which indeed worked).
>
> 2. I haven't been able to get Linux (Fedora Core 10) to recognize
> the CompactFlash drive. The BIOS recognizes the CF and starts
> booting from it, but then once Linux is actually running it
> complains that it can't find the boot device, and booting halts.
> When I boot from USB, I haven't been able to get Linux to
> recognize the CF drive. I'll keep poking at it (any ideas?), but
> for now I'm just booting from USB.
>
Does it look used? I mean scratches ...

John
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Feb 12, 2009, 6:36 AM

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John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> writes:

> Does it look used? I mean scratches ...

Nope. Looks brand new. The only evidence that it has been used is
the fact that the BIOS had a password.

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Feb 12, 2009, 7:12 AM

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On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Michael Cook <waxrat[at]comcast.net> wrote:
> John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Does it look used? I mean scratches ...
>
> Nope. Looks brand new. The only evidence that it has been used is
> the fact that the BIOS had a password.
>

Thanks. Please keep us informed of your progress with this. I
certainly would like a $99 frontend or maybe 3. :)

John
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steve at priorityelectronics

Feb 12, 2009, 9:11 AM

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>
>On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Michael Cook
><waxrat[at]comcast.net> wrote:
>> John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Does it look used? I mean scratches ...
>>
>> Nope. Looks brand new. The only evidence that it has been used is
>> the fact that the BIOS had a password.
>>
>
>Thanks. Please keep us informed of your progress with this. I
>certainly would like a $99 frontend or maybe 3. :)
>
>John
>________________

Same Here, Keep us informed please
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Feb 13, 2009, 6:09 AM

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-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:38:11 -0500
To: Michael Cook <waxrat[at]comcast.net>
Subject: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true?

Michael,
I found the list archive of the thread on Gossamer Threads so I can't
respond on list.

I have also been trying to run Fedora Core 10 on the i3386G-LF (I bought 2).

There appears to be a DMA problem with the CF adapter or Transcend CF
card. During Linux boot (also using USB for system), the CF card is
detected and put into MWDMA2 mode. Reads of the device then fail so
from an application perspective the drive is not there, but the syslog
shows the errors.

If during the boot screen count down you hit return, the hit tab to edit
the default boot entry, then add "libata.dms=0" to the end of the boot
line, DMA is disabled in the CF driver and the CF is put into PIO4 mode
at boot time. The drive is now visible and can be read.

To test the basic controller DMA, I unplugged the CF adapter and
attached a 3.5 80GB hard drive. This was detected during boot,
configured for DMA, and operates without a problem.

The problem appears to be DMA compatibility with the CF adapter or CF
card. I'm looking around for another DMA capable CF card to test in the
system. The only thing I have right now is an old IBM Micro Drive and
it is detected as PIO1 only so it won't test DMA.

Otherwise, the systems are pretty neat. The day I received them I
needed to test some NTP configurations on a clean system. By loading
Fedora Core 10 on a USB thumb drive I was able to quickly bring the
system up and run my tests the very first day!

Like you said, the chassis is clean with no scratches. I resorted to
resetting the CMOS to get around the BIOS password.

I hope to use the 12V capable system for Emergency Communications
support eventually.

Regards,
Ron Thornton
N1JKL - ARES/MRC

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Feb 13, 2009, 9:18 PM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to betrue? [In reply to]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:11:58 -0800, you wrote:

>>
>>On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Michael Cook
>><waxrat[at]comcast.net> wrote:
>>> John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Does it look used? I mean scratches ...
>>>
>>> Nope. Looks brand new. The only evidence that it has been used is
>>> the fact that the BIOS had a password.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks. Please keep us informed of your progress with this. I
>>certainly would like a $99 frontend or maybe 3. :)
>>
>>John
>>________________
>
>
>Same Here, Keep us informed please
>-Steve

I purchased 2 of these a month ago, and have set one of them up. It's
a great little box. Appears same as new, just cleared cmos with the
jumper.

I replaced the CF with 40G 3.5 inch drive (just barely fit) and
installed my PVR-350.

With Mythdora, I finally have a frontend with a nice appearance and a
high WAF.

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Feb 14, 2009, 9:52 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

> FYI, mine arrived yesterday. Haven't tried to get Myth running on
> it yet, but here are two things I noticed:
[...]
> More later.

The case makes it look like it has two PCI slots. But it actually
has only one slot. (As shipped, the slot is taken up by a PCMCIA
card.) If you need more than one PCI slot, this machine might not
be for you.

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waxrat at comcast

Feb 15, 2009, 6:09 PM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks. Please keep us informed of your progress with this. I
> certainly would like a $99 frontend or maybe 3. :)

I think this computer wouldn't make for a good frontend because it's
too loud. It has a fan that's pretty noticable.
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cynical at penguinness

Feb 23, 2009, 10:19 PM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

Michael Cook wrote:
>> FYI, mine arrived yesterday. Haven't tried to get Myth running on
>> it yet, but here are two things I noticed:
> [...]
>> More later.
>
> The case makes it look like it has two PCI slots. But it actually
> has only one slot. (As shipped, the slot is taken up by a PCMCIA
> card.) If you need more than one PCI slot, this machine might not
> be for you.

Per the docs for the board, it can handle up to four slots via riser
card. I would imagine that if one was to replace the single slot card
with a dual, it would work fine.

Myself, I'm looking at one for a firewall to replace the dodgy VIA 800
Mhz board I have now. Just don't know how noisy these things are...
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yan at seiner

Feb 24, 2009, 4:34 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

Justin The Cynical wrote:
>
>
> Myself, I'm looking at one for a firewall to replace the dodgy VIA 800
> Mhz board I have now. Just don't know how noisy these things are...
?????

A *firewall*?

http://www.openwrt.org and get one of the supported routers. You can
pick one up on ebay < $50 and most APs draw < 100ma with the radio
turned off. You can create up to 4 vlans as well.

--Yan

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Feb 24, 2009, 11:42 AM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

Yan Seiner wrote:
> Justin The Cynical wrote:
>>
>>
>> Myself, I'm looking at one for a firewall to replace the dodgy VIA 800
>> Mhz board I have now. Just don't know how noisy these things are...
> ?????
>
> A *firewall*?
>
> http://www.openwrt.org and get one of the supported routers. You can
> pick one up on ebay < $50 and most APs draw < 100ma with the radio
> turned off. You can create up to 4 vlans as well.

Too small. It couldn't handle multiple static IP's very well, didn't do
a proper DMZ (not enough physical interfaces), and I was running into
memory limitations.

And now with one of the people here at the house (one of my users?)
being involved with the FSU project (Hard Light Productions for more),
as well as hosting two, perhaps three very soon, svn repos for projects,
and the torrents associate with said projects, the WRT just isn't quite
up to the task.

I've already retired my old Linksys running DD-WRT. Less power, sure,
but it just couldn't handle the load.
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dwilson at dslextreme

Feb 24, 2009, 12:25 PM

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Re: The $99 frontend is here. Is this too good to be true? [In reply to]

Justin The Cynical wrote:
> Yan Seiner wrote:
>> Justin The Cynical wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Myself, I'm looking at one for a firewall to replace the dodgy VIA
>>> 800 Mhz board I have now. Just don't know how noisy these things
>>> are...
>> ?????
>>
>> A *firewall*?
>>
>> http://www.openwrt.org and get one of the supported routers. You can
>> pick one up on ebay < $50 and most APs draw < 100ma with the radio
>> turned off. You can create up to 4 vlans as well.
>
> Too small. It couldn't handle multiple static IP's very well, didn't
> do a proper DMZ (not enough physical interfaces), and I was running
> into memory limitations.
>
> And now with one of the people here at the house (one of my users?)
> being involved with the FSU project (Hard Light Productions for more),
> as well as hosting two, perhaps three very soon, svn repos for
> projects, and the torrents associate with said projects, the WRT just
> isn't quite up to the task.
>
> I've already retired my old Linksys running DD-WRT. Less power, sure,
> but it just couldn't handle the load.
You might take a look at www.mikrotik.com. I have used (and am using)
their software in both their own hardware as well as in a standard PC,
and it has a lot of features available. You can download a free version
that is fully functional for a limited period - I simply installed it
into a vmware session then took a snapshot of the freshly-installed vm,
and reloaded from that snapshot when the time ran out - it worked for me
for my initial testing and decision-making, and then I bought a real
license. Their hardware runs from very low-end boards with 3 ports
(10/100 or 10/100/1000 depending upon which board) to a 9-port 10/100
unit. They have several U.S. distributors - I use www.wisp-router.com.

HTH,

Dan.

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