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linuxguy123 at gmail

Oct 23, 2008, 7:09 AM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ?

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 08:35 -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 [at] gmail> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 08:39 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> >> I'm in the market to buy a new TV. I'm contemplating setting up a myth
> >> TV server/system.
> >>
> >> Several of the TVs I am looking at appear to support some sort of
> >> Internet capability. Ie the Samsung 52LN650.
> >> http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
> >>
> >> I am wondering if such a TV could connected directly to a mythTV backend
> >> (server), without the need for a local front end PC. Has anyone tried
> >> this ?
>
> It seems it's for a dedicated builtin browser. But, they might be
> using linux, as other TV mfrs are. Maybe it's hackable.

The mythserver can serve mythtv as a html page, right ? Usable by any
browser ? I wonder if these TVs and connect boxes could make use of
that ?

I'm trying to figure a way out of having to have an htpc beside every
TV.

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linuxguy123 at gmail

Oct 23, 2008, 7:37 AM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 13:20 -0300, Greg Estabrooks wrote:
> > The mythserver can serve mythtv as a html page, right ? Usable by any
>
> Yes and no. The mythbackend doesn't serve up content that way,
> but the mythweb plugin is basically a webfrontend to the various
> scheduling and other abilities. And from the Recorded programs
> screen you cuold in theory watch either the flash version or stream the
> full original video file, but to behonest I think that would be frought with
> difficuly aand frustration unless the built in browser is very good and
> the remote very usable.
>
> And unfortunately that URL didn't mention any specifics about the network
> support or what if any codecs it can handle.
>
> You'd be better off tryinga upnp player which itself is still not as functional.

The HP media connect device says it supports uPNP.

> And neither the webinterface nor the myth upnp server will serve LiveTV,
> only recorded content or stuff under mythvideo.

Thank you for clarifying that.

It seems there is no good substitute for having an HTPC connected to the
TV. There is just nothing on the market that offers anywhere near the
same level of functionality and versatility. I knew that, but somehow I
persist in looking at all these shiny "all in one" boxes.

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greg at phaze

Oct 23, 2008, 9:20 AM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

> The mythserver can serve mythtv as a html page, right ? Usable by any

Yes and no. The mythbackend doesn't serve up content that way,
but the mythweb plugin is basically a webfrontend to the various
scheduling and other abilities. And from the Recorded programs
screen you cuold in theory watch either the flash version or stream the
full original video file, but to behonest I think that would be frought with
difficuly aand frustration unless the built in browser is very good and
the remote very usable.

And unfortunately that URL didn't mention any specifics about the network
support or what if any codecs it can handle.

You'd be better off tryinga upnp player which itself is still not as functional.

And neither the webinterface nor the myth upnp server will serve LiveTV,
only recorded content or stuff under mythvideo.

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mrand at pobox

Oct 23, 2008, 10:03 AM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> >> I'm in the market to buy a new TV. I'm contemplating setting up a myth
>> >> TV server/system.
>> >>
>> >> Several of the TVs I am looking at appear to support some sort of
>> >> Internet capability. Ie the Samsung 52LN650.
>> >> http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
>> >>
>> >> I am wondering if such a TV could connected directly to a mythTV backend
>> >> (server), without the need for a local front end PC. Has anyone tried
>> >> this ?
>>
>> It seems it's for a dedicated builtin browser. But, they might be
>> using linux, as other TV mfrs are. Maybe it's hackable.
>
> The mythserver can serve mythtv as a html page, right ? Usable by any
> browser ? I wonder if these TVs and connect boxes could make use of
> that ?
>
> I'm trying to figure a way out of having to have an htpc beside every
> TV.

I don't see any mention that it has a web browser in any way that we
think of web browsing, but I do see that the not the 650, but the
7-series and up has "SmartContent"... aka DLNA (which is a next-gen
UPnP). Google does produce a few hits on mythtv+dlna

The 650 does have InfoLink, which appears to be a RSS feed from
USA-Today that you can customize for location, stocks, etc. What are
the chances it can be reconfigured to get RSS from the mythbox? I'm
guessing slim, but who knows.

Do people actually hook TV's up to their myth boxes? :-)

Marc
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Oct 23, 2008, 2:15 PM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 19:06 -0400, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> myth-0.21-fixes upnp server works out of the box with Pioneer
> PRO-111FD
> TV (which claims to be "DLNA certified").
>
> The playback is very smooth and there is no deinterlacing
> issues etc.
> (TV handles everything by itself). But a lot of the
> functionality is
> lost (not even fast-forward, at least with HD MPEG2s).
>
> Bolek

Excellent ! I'm glad to hear this and glad that I asked.

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gull at gull

Oct 23, 2008, 2:44 PM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> It seems there is no good substitute for having an HTPC connected to the
> TV. There is just nothing on the market that offers anywhere near the
> same level of functionality and versatility. I knew that, but somehow I
> persist in looking at all these shiny "all in one" boxes.

I guess you could get an iMac and hang it on your wall. ;)

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monkeypet at gmail

Oct 27, 2008, 11:40 PM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Eric Smith <erictsmith [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski <bolek-mythtv [at] curl>
> wrote:
>>
>> Linuxguy123 wrote:
>> > I'm in the market to buy a new TV. I'm contemplating setting up a myth
>> > TV server/system.
>> >
>> > Several of the TVs I am looking at appear to support some sort of
>> > Internet capability. Ie the Samsung 52LN650.
>> >
>> > http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
>> >
>> > I am wondering if such a TV could connected directly to a mythTV backend
>> > (server), without the need for a local front end PC. Has anyone tried
>> > this ?
>>
>> myth-0.21-fixes upnp server works out of the box with Pioneer PRO-111FD
>> TV (which claims to be "DLNA certified").
>>
>> The playback is very smooth and there is no deinterlacing issues etc.
>> (TV handles everything by itself). But a lot of the functionality is
>> lost (not even fast-forward, at least with HD MPEG2s).
>>
>> Bolek
>
> I bought a 47ln750 about a month ago. (Fantastic TV). I'd been meaning to
> test out the DLNA feature since I got it, but never got around to it. You
> reminded me to do so. I was pretty amazed that with zero configuration it
> pulled up a list of all of my recorded tv from the backend. However, each
> and every file fails with something along the lines of "unknown format". My
> content is all mpeg2, which should be supported, so I'm not sure where the
> disconnect is. I'll poke a little longer and see what I find.

I got the SAMSUNG LN46A850. TV is great and extremely thin (over
priced too). It was able to find my mp3s/videos on the backend, but
couldn't play them with the error message unknown format. I didn't
spend much time fiddling with it yet. So now it is hooked up to a mac
mini running linux that I run the mythtv-frontend on. I hope to be
able to fiddle with the DLNA features later on and stream audio and
video directly to it soon without the PC attached.

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erictsmith at gmail

Oct 28, 2008, 6:57 AM

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Re: Is anyone using mythtv as a server for the new Internet capable TVs ? [In reply to]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:40 AM, MonkeyPet <monkeypet [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Eric Smith <erictsmith [at] gmail> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Boleslaw Ciesielski <
> bolek-mythtv [at] curl>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> >> > I'm in the market to buy a new TV. I'm contemplating setting up a
> myth
> >> > TV server/system.
> >> >
> >> > Several of the TVs I am looking at appear to support some sort of
> >> > Internet capability. Ie the Samsung 52LN650.
> >> >
> >> >
> http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody
> >> >
> >> > I am wondering if such a TV could connected directly to a mythTV
> backend
> >> > (server), without the need for a local front end PC. Has anyone tried
> >> > this ?
> >>
> >> myth-0.21-fixes upnp server works out of the box with Pioneer PRO-111FD
> >> TV (which claims to be "DLNA certified").
> >>
> >> The playback is very smooth and there is no deinterlacing issues etc.
> >> (TV handles everything by itself). But a lot of the functionality is
> >> lost (not even fast-forward, at least with HD MPEG2s).
> >>
> >> Bolek
> >
> > I bought a 47ln750 about a month ago. (Fantastic TV). I'd been meaning
> to
> > test out the DLNA feature since I got it, but never got around to it.
> You
> > reminded me to do so. I was pretty amazed that with zero configuration
> it
> > pulled up a list of all of my recorded tv from the backend. However,
> each
> > and every file fails with something along the lines of "unknown format".
> My
> > content is all mpeg2, which should be supported, so I'm not sure where
> the
> > disconnect is. I'll poke a little longer and see what I find.
>
> I got the SAMSUNG LN46A850. TV is great and extremely thin (over
> priced too). It was able to find my mp3s/videos on the backend, but
> couldn't play them with the error message unknown format. I didn't
> spend much time fiddling with it yet. So now it is hooked up to a mac
> mini running linux that I run the mythtv-frontend on. I hope to be
> able to fiddle with the DLNA features later on and stream audio and
> video directly to it soon without the PC attached.

I did a little searching on the web and found this post on why the samsung
tvs cannot talk with tversity.
http://forums.tversity.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10992&p=51899#p50761. Long
and short of the post is that samsung is expecting a response to*
getcontentFeatures.dlna.org: 1* which tversity is not supplying. I have not
had a chance to look at the upnp code in myth yet, but suspect we could be
seeing a similar issue.

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