jedi at mishnet
Oct 10, 2008, 10:00 AM
Post #17 of 19
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0500, Willy Boyd wrote:
Re: OT: I'm streaming Netflix on my Linux box
[In reply to]
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:54 PM, jedi <jedi [at] mishnet> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 09:01:30PM -0400, Matt Emmott wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jedi <jedi [at] mishnet> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > XBMC, in my opinion, is a much better front end for audio & video
> > than
> > > > Myth.
> > > > > The interface and usability are slicker and more usable than
> > mythmusic
> > > > and
> > > > > mythvideo as far as I'm concerned. But yes, it does not add much more
> > in
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > Well, how exactly?
> > > >
> > > > We can corner some of the devs in a room and not let them leave
> > > > until they make some improvements... '-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > First let me say that I'm in no way poo-pooing on any piece of Myth or
> > its
> > > developers. The programmers have done a fantastic job with this product
> > and
> > > I don't pretend to know the first thing about programming. Not to mention
> > > they do it for no money and the only thing I've ever put money towards
> > other
> > > than hardware is a Schedules Direct subscription, andhave received a
> > > wonderful product in return.
> > >
> > > That being said, the look, feel and general UI of Mythmusic & Mythdvd are
> > > just terrible. XBMC looks nice, is very snappy and is (for the most part)
> > > pretty intuitive. It's still buggy, sure, but for the most part will
> > throw
> > > any video format thrown at it, be it an ISO of a DVD, Xvid / Flash / Mkv
> > /
> > > Quicktime / etc. On the audio side it plays all the happy formats you'd
> > > expect, offers a library option to index all your songs, will read iTunes
> > > DAAP data and playlists, and has some pretty nice fullscreen
> > visualizations.
> > > Oh, and it downloads the album art / DVD covers for all your media on the
> > > fly without need for a third-party scraper.
> > Beyond the just-in-time metadata management, I am not sure you've
> > identified anything beyond good looks that XBMC that MythVideo and
> > MythMusic doesn't already do.
> First let me say, like the other poster, I have utmost respect for the
> MythTV devs and hands-down, the PVR functionality of Myth is top-notch and
> have served me extremely well for quite a few years. I don't remember the
> first version I hopped on Myth, but numbers like 0.13 or 0.15 sound familiar
> But I also discovered XBMC just recently, and it has now completely replaced
> all but the PVR functionality on my mythbox. I removed the menu entries for
> MythVideo, MythMusic, the optical dvd/cd entries, etc. XBMC runs freakin'
> circles around Myth in that department. I really don't want to offend but
> it is true.
> And it's frustrating when some want to diminish improvements in an interface
> to just "looking pretty".
Depending on how things are stated, that's any easy mistake to make.
> The media "areas" in XBMC are built around sources. It's quite easy and
> intuitive to "add a source" for music or videos right from the GUI. That
> sound can not only be a local directory, but a SMB share, UPnP server,
> Shoutcast in the case of audio, and I think there are others. I'm a pretty
> adept linux guy so all my network shares are defined in fstab, but this
> makes it so much easier for others to use.
This is a good bit of information. It might plant the kernel of an
idea in the right minds.
> A source can also be a plugin that serves up content, and one of the default
> plugins that came with the OSX version of XBMC is one that lists Apple Movie
> Trailers, complete with all the metadata. I promptly copied the plugin over
> the the linux boxin the livingroom and it works like a dream there, too. (I
> can't honestly think of why it's included in one platform version and not
> Yeah I know about Mythstream and I've played with it.. played with options
> to do some of the above over the years... but it all feels like a big kludge
> compared to XBMC.
> Music stays playing throughout the entire interface, with a really nice
> overlay dialog that shows cover art
> and current track, next track, etc. Myth only recently started supporting
> this; I think the XBMC execution is better but at the least they're on par
> there. As for video playing, you can also exit out to top-level menus and
> this overlay shows a miniture video player with the video playing. Kind of
> like the Program Guide does in Myth, but again throughout the interface and
> for any video playing session (TMK).
> I, like many others, have had no shortage of dvd viewing problems with
> MythVideo, and like many others, this is frustrating because I took out my
Well, a lot of us quickly punt the internal player. You'll get no
argument there. I use xine and some extra bash mojo to deal with my
overstuffed virtual jukebox.
> real dvd player a long while ago to rely on this one "mythical convergence
> box" to do it all for me. First I moved to a xml menu item for launching
> xine, and now I've thrown several movies at XBMC so far with not a single
> issue. We'll see if this remains the case. (Anyone know of specific movies
> that still give Myth the fits, speak up! I'd love a good comparison test).
I gave up on physical media as soon as I deployed MythTV, so that
has always been considerably less of an issue for me. Although, I have
had very few problems in general with DVD's. They usually come down to
poor build quality that causes problems across the board and the
occasional arcos issue.
Fresh ideas (with details) are always welcome.
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