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allen.p.edwards at gmail

Sep 29, 2008, 7:48 PM

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SLIM vs, CPU--

I was watching "This Week" yesterday and got lots of skip in the audio
under CPU-- but it played fine under SLIM. I thought that strange as
CPU-- was XvMC and had a B&W OSD so I am sure that XvMC was working.
This is a frontend only Celeron 2.4GHz of the P4 variety. The program
was ATSC HD

I would think that the CPU-- would be less processor demanding and
thus less likely to have this problem. At least, that is what the
documentation says. This is not what I am seeing.

What is the story?

Allen
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Oct 1, 2008, 8:59 AM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

anyone?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Allen Edwards
<allen.p.edwards [at] gmail> wrote:
> I was watching "This Week" yesterday and got lots of skip in the audio
> under CPU-- but it played fine under SLIM. I thought that strange as
> CPU-- was XvMC and had a B&W OSD so I am sure that XvMC was working.
> This is a frontend only Celeron 2.4GHz of the P4 variety. The program
> was ATSC HD
>
> I would think that the CPU-- would be less processor demanding and
> thus less likely to have this problem. At least, that is what the
> documentation says. This is not what I am seeing.
>
> What is the story?
>
> Allen
>
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Oct 1, 2008, 10:06 AM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:

> anyone?

All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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Oct 1, 2008, 12:08 PM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Brad DerManouelian
<myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>
>> anyone?
>
> All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
>

I guess I should have said in my original post that I had read all
that and more. If you read that, you will come to the conclusion that
CPU-- would be less CPU intensive than slim but I am seeing the
opposite. That was my question. Sorry I was not clear.

Allen
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myth at dermanouelian

Oct 1, 2008, 12:44 PM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Brad DerManouelian
> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> anyone?
>>
>> All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
>>
>
> I guess I should have said in my original post that I had read all
> that and more. If you read that, you will come to the conclusion that
> CPU-- would be less CPU intensive than slim but I am seeing the
> opposite. That was my question. Sorry I was not clear.

That depends. If you're using PVR-350 and CPU-- and not playing back
MP2 recordings under 720x576, it would be MUCH more CPU intensive.
If XvMC isn't working correctly on your system, CPU-- would also be
more CPU intensive.
deinterlacers can use a lot of CPU if you're viewing interlaced content.
You mention audio skips. Is this only when viewing the OSD? This is
common with XvMC and the bob deinterlacer. Is this how you are
determining your CPU usage using each profile? What does top say about
your CPU when using each profile?

Bottom line is that there are way too many variables to tell you why
you're seeing what you're seeing - especially with the information
you've given about the content you're playing back (ATSC HD - that
could mean about a hundred things)

The way to figure out what's really happening is to look at your
frontend logs to see exactly what features are being used, then play
back the same content with the other playback profile and see which
features are being used and determine from there where the issue lies.
Could be as simple as not having UseEvents True in your xorg.conf
file. :)

-Brad

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allen.p.edwards at gmail

Oct 2, 2008, 10:15 PM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Brad DerManouelian
<myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Brad DerManouelian
>> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone?
>>>
>>> All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
>>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
>>>
>>
>> I guess I should have said in my original post that I had read all
>> that and more. If you read that, you will come to the conclusion that
>> CPU-- would be less CPU intensive than slim but I am seeing the
>> opposite. That was my question. Sorry I was not clear.
>
> That depends. If you're using PVR-350 and CPU-- and not playing back
> MP2 recordings under 720x576, it would be MUCH more CPU intensive.
> If XvMC isn't working correctly on your system, CPU-- would also be
> more CPU intensive.
> deinterlacers can use a lot of CPU if you're viewing interlaced content.
> You mention audio skips. Is this only when viewing the OSD? This is
> common with XvMC and the bob deinterlacer. Is this how you are
> determining your CPU usage using each profile? What does top say about
> your CPU when using each profile?
>
> Bottom line is that there are way too many variables to tell you why
> you're seeing what you're seeing - especially with the information
> you've given about the content you're playing back (ATSC HD - that
> could mean about a hundred things)
>
> The way to figure out what's really happening is to look at your
> frontend logs to see exactly what features are being used, then play
> back the same content with the other playback profile and see which
> features are being used and determine from there where the issue lies.
> Could be as simple as not having UseEvents True in your xorg.conf
> file. :)
>
> -Brad

I do not have a PVR-350. I have a Nvidia 6200 for the XvMC.

I finally got around to doing a little experimenting. Basically, I
played the show in SLIM and the CPU% for mythfrontend was about 75%.
I then switched to XvMC and the CPU went down to about 47% but there
was no stuttering. I got out of the show and started it again and the
CPU% was 93% and the stuttering was back. mythfrontend.log showed
prebuffering pause under this high CPU% but not under the other two
conditions. I didn't start any other processes so don'w know what is
going on.

Strange.

Allen
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myth at dermanouelian

Oct 2, 2008, 10:27 PM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Brad DerManouelian
> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Brad DerManouelian
>>> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> anyone?
>>>>
>>>> All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
>>>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I should have said in my original post that I had read all
>>> that and more. If you read that, you will come to the conclusion
>>> that
>>> CPU-- would be less CPU intensive than slim but I am seeing the
>>> opposite. That was my question. Sorry I was not clear.
>>
>> That depends. If you're using PVR-350 and CPU-- and not playing back
>> MP2 recordings under 720x576, it would be MUCH more CPU intensive.
>> If XvMC isn't working correctly on your system, CPU-- would also be
>> more CPU intensive.
>> deinterlacers can use a lot of CPU if you're viewing interlaced
>> content.
>> You mention audio skips. Is this only when viewing the OSD? This is
>> common with XvMC and the bob deinterlacer. Is this how you are
>> determining your CPU usage using each profile? What does top say
>> about
>> your CPU when using each profile?
>>
>> Bottom line is that there are way too many variables to tell you why
>> you're seeing what you're seeing - especially with the information
>> you've given about the content you're playing back (ATSC HD - that
>> could mean about a hundred things)
>>
>> The way to figure out what's really happening is to look at your
>> frontend logs to see exactly what features are being used, then play
>> back the same content with the other playback profile and see which
>> features are being used and determine from there where the issue
>> lies.
>> Could be as simple as not having UseEvents True in your xorg.conf
>> file. :)
>>
>> -Brad
>
> I do not have a PVR-350. I have a Nvidia 6200 for the XvMC.
>
> I finally got around to doing a little experimenting. Basically, I
> played the show in SLIM and the CPU% for mythfrontend was about 75%.
> I then switched to XvMC and the CPU went down to about 47% but there
> was no stuttering. I got out of the show and started it again and the
> CPU% was 93% and the stuttering was back. mythfrontend.log showed
> prebuffering pause under this high CPU% but not under the other two
> conditions. I didn't start any other processes so don'w know what is
> going on.
>
> Strange.

Update your nvidia driver and make sure you're using the latest code
from -fixes. There was a bug a while back about playing a video, then
playing it again and getting big CPU usage the second time. I don't
remember if it was resolved in an nvidia update or mythtv update, but
it has since been resolved.

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allen.p.edwards at gmail

Oct 3, 2008, 10:26 AM

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Re: SLIM vs, CPU-- [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Brad DerManouelian
<myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Brad DerManouelian
>> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Brad DerManouelian
>>>> <myth [at] dermanouelian> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Allen Edwards wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> All the default playback profiles are spelled out here:
>>>>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should have said in my original post that I had read all
>>>> that and more. If you read that, you will come to the conclusion
>>>> that
>>>> CPU-- would be less CPU intensive than slim but I am seeing the
>>>> opposite. That was my question. Sorry I was not clear.
>>>
>>> That depends. If you're using PVR-350 and CPU-- and not playing back
>>> MP2 recordings under 720x576, it would be MUCH more CPU intensive.
>>> If XvMC isn't working correctly on your system, CPU-- would also be
>>> more CPU intensive.
>>> deinterlacers can use a lot of CPU if you're viewing interlaced
>>> content.
>>> You mention audio skips. Is this only when viewing the OSD? This is
>>> common with XvMC and the bob deinterlacer. Is this how you are
>>> determining your CPU usage using each profile? What does top say
>>> about
>>> your CPU when using each profile?
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that there are way too many variables to tell you why
>>> you're seeing what you're seeing - especially with the information
>>> you've given about the content you're playing back (ATSC HD - that
>>> could mean about a hundred things)
>>>
>>> The way to figure out what's really happening is to look at your
>>> frontend logs to see exactly what features are being used, then play
>>> back the same content with the other playback profile and see which
>>> features are being used and determine from there where the issue
>>> lies.
>>> Could be as simple as not having UseEvents True in your xorg.conf
>>> file. :)
>>>
>>> -Brad
>>
>> I do not have a PVR-350. I have a Nvidia 6200 for the XvMC.
>>
>> I finally got around to doing a little experimenting. Basically, I
>> played the show in SLIM and the CPU% for mythfrontend was about 75%.
>> I then switched to XvMC and the CPU went down to about 47% but there
>> was no stuttering. I got out of the show and started it again and the
>> CPU% was 93% and the stuttering was back. mythfrontend.log showed
>> prebuffering pause under this high CPU% but not under the other two
>> conditions. I didn't start any other processes so don'w know what is
>> going on.
>>
>> Strange.
>
> Update your nvidia driver and make sure you're using the latest code
> from -fixes. There was a bug a while back about playing a video, then
> playing it again and getting big CPU usage the second time. I don't
> remember if it was resolved in an nvidia update or mythtv update, but
> it has since been resolved.
>

Thank you! I did as you said and all seems well now.

Allen
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