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mitchell.gore at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 12:43 PM

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Home Automation + MythTV/Linux

Hi,

I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/Linux.
Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I did some reading
online but is very scattered/incomplete.

Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my Theater. Ie
turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn them off when video
is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Mitchell


kkuphal at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 12:51 PM

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Mitch Gore <mitchell.gore[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/Linux.
> Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I did some reading
> online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
> Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my Theater. Ie
> turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn them off when video
> is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.
>
> Suggestions?
>

Have you looked at http://www.plutohome.com?

There is also a ZoneMinder plugin for MythTV

Kevin


myth at dermanouelian

Aug 6, 2008, 12:51 PM

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On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/
> Linux. Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I
> did some reading online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
> Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my
> Theater. Ie turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn
> them off when video is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.
>
> Suggestions?

http://www.linuxmce.org/

Even if you don't go with their distribution you can see what they
support and continue on that road.

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lists at interpool

Aug 6, 2008, 2:04 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:43 -0500, Mitch Gore wrote:


> I would like to start working in the home automation area of
> Myth/Linux. Any one have some good reads or experience in the area?
> I did some reading online but is very scattered/incomplete.


Besides running towards LinuxMCE, you can easily add some X10 control
to your system.

Have a look at my post in the MythBuntu Forums regarding X10 control
via onscreen menus and remote control buttons...

How I Integrated some X10 Home Automation into MythBuntu
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4733977#post4733977


mitchell.gore at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 2:31 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Gerry Freymann <lists[at]interpool.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:43 -0500, Mitch Gore wrote:
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/Linux.
> Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I did some reading
> online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
>
> Besides running towards LinuxMCE, you can easily add some X10 control to
> your system.
>
> Have a look at my post in the MythBuntu Forums regarding X10 control via
> onscreen menus and remote control buttons...
>
> *How I Integrated some X10 Home Automation into MythBuntu*
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4733977#post4733977
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

I have looked at LinuxMCE but i hate the entire idea of using a out of the
box solution and reformate my server. Plus I dont want or need all that
extra crap put into that. I just want some simple scripts i can run to do
stuff.

Gerry, that looks very promising.

Thanks!
Mitchell


mitchell.gore at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 3:34 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

>>
>> How I Integrated some X10 Home Automation into MythBuntu
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4733977#post4733977
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> I have looked at LinuxMCE but i hate the entire idea of using a out of the box solution and reformate my server. Plus I dont want or need all that extra crap put into that. I just want some simple scripts i can run to do stuff.
>
> Gerry, that looks very promising.
>
> Thanks!
> Mitchell

I dont have a Serial port on my Asus board unless i buy a Serial
bracket to connect to the board header. According to the HEYU FAQ you
can use a USB->serial adapter which i can get for 3 bucks on ebay:


Q: My computer doesn't have RS232 serial ports, only USB ports. Can
I use a USB-Serial adapter?

A: Yes, provided that your OS has kernel drivers for the specific adapter.

So, I assume CentOS/Fedora (Going to move to cent on my next system
built will work right?

Thanks,
Mitchell
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jason at jasonantman

Aug 6, 2008, 4:32 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

Mitch,

I've done a bit of automation work lately, replacing the thermostat in
my apartment with a box running CentOS (http://tuxostat.jasonantman.com/).

In terms of hardware, you essentially have two ways to go - a stock
system with an interface (something like X10) or various levels of
custom hardware (from an off-the-shelf USB or serial relay board to a
custom-fabricated PCB and microcontroller). I used the Phidgets 0/0/4
4-output USB relay board
(http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=1014) for my project,
though I wouldn't recommend it, given the relatively high cost for a
unit with a pretty complex API (I would have overwhelmingly preferred
something with a simple ASCII command set). On the other hand, though,
it's one of the few easy-to-use relay boards out there. I have a few
links related to interfacing Linux boxes to stuff in the real world at:
http://delicious.com/jantman/realworldcontrol

As to serial->USB adapters, I'd definitely check the reviews. I've come
by a LOT that don't work right under Linux even though they say they're
supported, or ones that have serious issues with *real* RS232 hardware,
though they say they support it. Personally, I've found that adapters
based on the Prolific 2303 (pl2303 driver) chipset work well.

If you want to go the X10 route, I believe the best interface under
Linux is the "firecracker". You'd have a little less customizability and
fewer options than custom hardware (I don't know if X10 has the ability
to actually check output state like a relay board would, as opposed to
having to store state locally) but for simple logistics (using plug-in
modules as opposed to having to run a bunch of wires around the room)
X10 probably wins out.

-Jason

PS - I've given this a lot of thought, and will probably implement a
good automation system around this time next year when I move into a new
apartment. My plans are to use some sort of embedded computer as the
master controller for the non-home theater stuff (i.e. anything not
controlled over IR - the lights, etc.) that will communicate with the
MythTV box via TCP/IP (probably remote SSH commands). For the physical
control, my ideal idea is to use modules that plug in between the
appliances/lights and wall outlet, which contain a latching relay
switched via a low-voltage solid state relay, which will be in turn
driven by some simple one-cable bus system, perhaps something like
Dallas Semi/Maxim 1-Wire. The basic idea is to be able to run 2
4-conductor phone cables - one around each side of the room - and have
little "dongles" or boxes hook in-line with the cable and provide
switched power. Essentially wired X10, but with everything hooked up to
one cable, and with opto-isolators to check the actual output of the relay.

Mitch Gore wrote:
>>> How I Integrated some X10 Home Automation into MythBuntu
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4733977#post4733977
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>> I have looked at LinuxMCE but i hate the entire idea of using a out of the box solution and reformate my server. Plus I dont want or need all that extra crap put into that. I just want some simple scripts i can run to do stuff.
>>
>> Gerry, that looks very promising.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mitchell
>>
>
> I dont have a Serial port on my Asus board unless i buy a Serial
> bracket to connect to the board header. According to the HEYU FAQ you
> can use a USB->serial adapter which i can get for 3 bucks on ebay:
>
>
> Q: My computer doesn't have RS232 serial ports, only USB ports. Can
> I use a USB-Serial adapter?
>
> A: Yes, provided that your OS has kernel drivers for the specific adapter.
>
> So, I assume CentOS/Fedora (Going to move to cent on my next system
> built will work right?
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell
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fairlane at springcom

Aug 6, 2008, 4:46 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

Mitch Gore wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of
> Myth/Linux. Any one have some good reads or experience in the area?
> I did some reading online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
> Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my
> Theater. Ie turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn
> them off when video is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.
>
> Suggestions?
>
If anyone has done it, they are probably over at www.cocoontech.com
forums. I'd be interested in this as my new house is wired to the
hilt. Keep us in the loop.
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fairlane at springcom

Aug 6, 2008, 4:54 PM

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Jason Antman wrote:
> Mitch,
>
> I've done a bit of automation work lately, replacing the thermostat in
> my apartment with a box running CentOS (http://tuxostat.jasonantman.com/).
>
> In terms of hardware, you essentially have two ways to go - a stock
> system with an interface (something like X10) or various levels of
> custom hardware (from an off-the-shelf USB or serial relay board to a
> custom-fabricated PCB and microcontroller). I used the Phidgets 0/0/4
> 4-output USB relay board
> (http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=1014) for my project,
> though I wouldn't recommend it, given the relatively high cost for a
> unit with a pretty complex API (I would have overwhelmingly preferred
> something with a simple ASCII command set). On the other hand, though,
> it's one of the few easy-to-use relay boards out there. I have a few
> links related to interfacing Linux boxes to stuff in the real world at:
> http://delicious.com/jantman/realworldcontrol
>
>
Here's a good example: My house has a Centralite centralized lighting
controller. It has inputs for RS232
control. You could easily write a script that puts out a scene command
or whatever if you push a
button on the remote for Myth, assuming that myth is hooked up to the
controller. Lots of ways to skin this cat.
X10 would be similar. As long as you have a pc sitting around hooked up
to your interface, you should be able to
do what you want with some scripting.
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lists at interpool

Aug 6, 2008, 6:37 PM

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Re: Home Automation + MythTV/Linux [In reply to]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 17:34 -0500, Mitch Gore wrote:


> I dont have a Serial port on my Asus board unless i buy a Serial
> bracket to connect to the board header. According to the HEYU FAQ you
> can use a USB->serial adapter which i can get for 3 bucks on ebay:


Doesn't heyu support the USB version of the CM11?

If it doesn't, I would check up on what other devices heyu (or the
other linux software) supports. You certainly aren't limited to what I
described.

It is funny though, the original box I assembled didn't have the serial
port connector (although the pins were on the motherboard). So I would
have been screwed anyway.

When i went to try the equipment on my work box, gee, it doesn't have a
serial port either!

Boy was I surprised.

So the next coupla boxes I bought? I made sure they had a serial
port. ;-)


gmitch at woodlea

Aug 6, 2008, 9:30 PM

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From: mythtv-users-bounces[at]mythtv.org [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces[at]mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Freymann
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:38 PM
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When i went to try the equipment on my work box, gee, it doesn't have a serial port either!

Boy was I surprised.

So the next coupla boxes I bought? I made sure they had a serial port. ;-)







A serial port is what they call a legacy port these days... and the new intel chipsets don't support those... along with parallel ports (sigh), PS2 ports, and IDE ports. Thank goodness you can get PCI cards with parallel ports - going to need a couple of them for my next project.





G


nick.rout at gmail

Aug 6, 2008, 10:10 PM

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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Graham Mitchell <gmitch[at]woodlea.com> wrote:
> From: mythtv-users-bounces[at]mythtv.org
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces[at]mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Freymann
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:38 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Home Automation + MythTV/Linux
>
>
>
> When i went to try the equipment on my work box, gee, it doesn't have a
> serial port either!
>
> Boy was I surprised.
>
> So the next coupla boxes I bought? I made sure they had a serial port. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A serial port is what they call a legacy port these days... and the new
> intel chipsets don't support those... along with parallel ports (sigh), PS2
> ports, and IDE ports. Thank goodness you can get PCI cards with parallel
> ports - going to need a couple of them for my next project.
>
>

until they stop putting pci slots in there :)
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tortise at paradise

Aug 6, 2008, 10:26 PM

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Hi

Has anyone achieved or looked into Zigbee integration with MythTV for Home Automation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Zigbee is a wireless system which is arguably more secure than X10 (Which to me can be simply
overcome by plugging into the mains of a external device such as a light....exposing the whole X10 system! Sorry X10!) A mains
filter is said to reduce security concerns however not the aforementioned exploit.

Zigbee on the other hand is a mesh network of low range wireless devices. It may be that it is a better network than the 802.11
series as the radio mesh can be localised to the area of interest with minimised wider broadcast capability / exposure.

Kind regards
The Tortise

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Aug 7, 2008, 12:17 AM

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On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:26 +1200, Tortise wrote:
> Hi
>
> Has anyone achieved or looked into Zigbee integration with MythTV for Home Automation?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Zigbee is a wireless system which is arguably more secure than X10 (Which to me can be simply
> overcome by plugging into the mains of a external device such as a light....exposing the whole X10 system! Sorry X10!) A mains
> filter is said to reduce security concerns however not the aforementioned exploit.
>
> Zigbee on the other hand is a mesh network of low range wireless devices. It may be that it is a better network than the 802.11
> series as the radio mesh can be localised to the area of interest with minimised wider broadcast capability / exposure.
>
> Kind regards
> The Tortise
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Rout" <nick.rout[at]gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Home Automation + MythTV/Linux
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I would also look into Z-wave but first hurdle would be to get an open
linux driver. Its similar to Zigbee a mesh network and already several
products on the market.

BR
Michael

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david.whyte at gmail

Aug 7, 2008, 12:39 AM

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I have been investigating zigbee. From what I could tell, the right
*stuff* to interface with a zigbee device has been in the 2.6 kernel
for a while but I have issues finding the consumer oriented products
to integrate it into my home. I.e I cant seem to find light-switches
etc, that will just hook in with a zigbee device attached to my linux
Pc. X10 seems the most mature and simplistic way to go to me, even
here in AU. Another option though is clipsal C-Bus but that seems too
proprietary for my liking.

Cheers,
Whytey

On 8/7/08, Tortise <tortise[at]paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Has anyone achieved or looked into Zigbee integration with MythTV for Home
> Automation?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Zigbee is a wireless system which is
> arguably more secure than X10 (Which to me can be simply
> overcome by plugging into the mains of a external device such as a
> light....exposing the whole X10 system! Sorry X10!) A mains
> filter is said to reduce security concerns however not the aforementioned
> exploit.
>
> Zigbee on the other hand is a mesh network of low range wireless devices.
> It may be that it is a better network than the 802.11
> series as the radio mesh can be localised to the area of interest with
> minimised wider broadcast capability / exposure.
>
> Kind regards
> The Tortise
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Rout" <nick.rout[at]gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Home Automation + MythTV/Linux
> /mythtv-users
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dave at daveoxley

Aug 7, 2008, 2:19 AM

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I have C-Bus in my new house. It's very cool. The light switches, movement sensors, light sensors etc are cabled in a loop with Cat-5 and individual (or pairs) of lights are on there own circuit that come back to a central point. A single switch can be programmed to control a single or multiple lighting circuits. Although proprietary I've installed the C-Gate application on my server which will allow me (I haven't bought the Ethernet/C-Bus bridge yet) to control and reprogram any lights via telnet commands. From this point it should be easy to write a script controlled by lirc or a plugin for MythTV.

Cheers,
Dave.

David Whyte wrote:
I have been investigating zigbee. From what I could tell, the right *stuff* to interface with a zigbee device has been in the 2.6 kernel for a while but I have issues finding the consumer oriented products to integrate it into my home. I.e I cant seem to find light-switches etc, that will just hook in with a zigbee device attached to my linux Pc. X10 seems the most mature and simplistic way to go to me, even here in AU. Another option though is clipsal C-Bus but that seems too proprietary for my liking. Cheers, Whytey On 8/7/08, Tortise <tortise[at]paradise.net.nz> wrote:
Hi Has anyone achieved or looked into Zigbee integration with MythTV for Home Automation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Zigbee is a wireless system which is arguably more secure than X10 (Which to me can be simply overcome by plugging into the mains of a external device such as a light....exposing the whole X10 system! Sorry X10!) A mains filter is said to reduce security concerns however not the aforementioned exploit. Zigbee on the other hand is a mesh network of low range wireless devices. It may be that it is a better network than the 802.11 series as the radio mesh can be localised to the area of interest with minimised wider broadcast capability / exposure. Kind regards The Tortise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Rout" <nick.rout[at]gmail.com> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Home Automation + MythTV/Linux /mythtv-users _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users"]http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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david.whyte at gmail

Aug 7, 2008, 5:17 AM

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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Dave Oxley <dave[at]daveoxley.co.uk> wrote:
> I have C-Bus in my new house. It's very cool. The light switches, movement
> sensors, light sensors etc are cabled in a loop with Cat-5 and individual
> (or pairs) of lights are on there own circuit that come back to a central
> point. A single switch can be programmed to control a single or multiple
> lighting circuits. Although proprietary I've installed the C-Gate
> application on my server which will allow me (I haven't bought the
> Ethernet/C-Bus bridge yet) to control and reprogram any lights via telnet
> commands. From this point it should be easy to write a script controlled by
> lirc or a plugin for MythTV.
>

Hi Dave,

Getting OT here but, I am assuming that C-Gate is for Linux right?
Are you in AU? What was the cost of C-Bus like? I heard you spend
somewhere in the region of $30K for a normal C-Bus set-up.
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jason at jasonantman

Aug 7, 2008, 11:37 AM

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Graham Mitchell wrote:
>
> A serial port is what they call a legacy port these days... and the
> new intel chipsets don't support those... along with parallel ports
> (sigh), PS2 ports, and IDE ports. Thank goodness you can get PCI cards
> with parallel ports - going to need a couple of them for my next project.
>
>
In consumer-oriented equipment, yes, unfortunately. Fortunately, most
workstation boards still have them (the latest I have is my desktop box
at work, a HP xw4300, Pentium D), and of course server boards do. The
thing that upsets me the most, given that I do a lot of work with
network hardware, is the fact that laptops don't have them anymore :(
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Aug 7, 2008, 4:37 PM

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Tortise wrote:
> Hi
>
> Has anyone achieved or looked into Zigbee integration with MythTV for Home Automation?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Zigbee is a wireless system which is arguably more secure than X10 (Which to me can be simply
> overcome by plugging into the mains of a external device such as a light....exposing the whole X10 system! Sorry X10!) A mains
> filter is said to reduce security concerns however not the aforementioned exploit.
>
> Zigbee on the other hand is a mesh network of low range wireless devices. It may be that it is a better network than the 802.11
> series as the radio mesh can be localised to the area of interest with minimised wider broadcast capability / exposure.

Take a look at a company called Control4. There should be a listing of
the various other mfgrs with which they integrate with (light switches,
t-stats, pool/spa, etc) on their website. Hopefully they haven't
deviated the devices so they only play with C4.

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Aug 7, 2008, 5:04 PM

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Mitch Gore wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/Linux.
> Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I did some reading
> online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
> Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my Theater. Ie
> turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn them off when video
> is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.
>
> Suggestions?

The X10 and other UPB stuff is sometimes reliable, sometimes not. For
every horror story I come across there's a success story. YMMV.

If you are in the States (possibly elsewhere), I think you may be
looking for the Lutron Spacer. IR controlled and the codes are very well
known. Just add an inconspicuous IR blaster to the room.

For a more complex lighting arrangement, say 4-6 multi-scene zones, the
Lutron Graphic Eye can also be IR controlled and can be triggered via
blaster or an emitter head inside the workbox.

Whole-home would move into the medium- (C-Bus, RadioRA, Centralight,
etc.) to upper-priced systems (Lightolier, AMX, etc.)

Hope that helps.

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fairlane at springcom

Aug 7, 2008, 6:08 PM

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Mw wrote:
> Whole-home would move into the medium- (C-Bus, RadioRA, Centralight,
> etc.) to upper-priced systems (Lightolier, AMX, etc.)
>
> Hope that helps.
>
Heh, the Lightolier stuff isn't even listed with prices in the
Worthington distributor catalog. You have to be qualified
and call them to even get pricing. That said, I like the centralite
hardwired panels because it's hardwired, simply designed and
it's 100% reliable And it's ridiculously over-designed with industrial
SSR's.
No IR/RF system will ever be 100% even though some of them are very good.
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Aug 7, 2008, 6:32 PM

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On 8/6/08, Mitch Gore <mitchell.gore[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to start working in the home automation area of Myth/Linux.
> Any one have some good reads or experience in the area? I did some reading
> online but is very scattered/incomplete.
>
> Right now im looking to do some simple lighting control in my Theater. Ie
> turn the lights off with a button push via lirc or turn them off when video
> is playing, turn lamp on when viewing menus, etc.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell

I've played around a little with MisterHouse:

misterhouse.sourceforge.net

Looks good, and I am thinking about integrating that on my MythTV box...

Colin McGregor
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meatwad2021 at gmail

Aug 8, 2008, 9:42 AM

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Mark wrote:
> Mw wrote:
>> Whole-home would move into the medium- (C-Bus, RadioRA, Centralight,
>> etc.) to upper-priced systems (Lightolier, AMX, etc.)
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
> Heh, the Lightolier stuff isn't even listed with prices in the
> Worthington distributor catalog. You have to be qualified
> and call them to even get pricing. That said, I like the centralite
> hardwired panels because it's hardwired, simply designed and
> it's 100% reliable And it's ridiculously over-designed with industrial
> SSR's.
> No IR/RF system will ever be 100% even though some of them are very good.

Very good point indeed. That is the same rationale I use with clients
that ask if it wouldn't be cheaper to just use WiFI rather than run Cat6
to key locations.

However, the original poster wants to ease into automation for just his
home theater. The simplest scenario is to replace the existing light
switch on the wall with another device. I've never sold a Spacer but
installed a few for clients and integrated them into their control
systems quite successfully.

Of course there will be times when the setting sun through a west facing
window creates interference with an IR system and plasmas are known to
wreak havoc as well. I've completed exactly one RadioRA install for a
project another contractor abandoned and was less than thrilled with the
RF experience and haven't tried any other since. The Control4/ZigBee
solution looks amazing but keep in mind that the C4 principals tried
this nearly two decades ago (Phast) and ended up abandoning every
customer and integrator. I've yet to see any other consumer application
for ZigBee devices so I'm not holding my breath.

On the other hand, a well planned IR solution can be made rock solid. A
Graphic Eye controller for the home theater environment can work
flawlessly when the IR emitter is concealed behind the unit on the right
side. This would be /inside/ the required four gang masonry work box and
National Electric Code now allows for the limited use of low voltage
wiring inside a high voltage box just for this type of situation.

The problem with integrating the Graphic Eye and much more so the larger
centralized systems is that every lighting load needs to be run directly
to the controller. Most homes are not wired this way and retrofitting is
likely out of the question. If someone had that kind of disposable
income to re-wire the entire home, they'd do well to consider just
building a new home. If not, the RadioRA begins to look attractive.

That said, there are many ways to skin a cat. The question is, how many
scratches and bites is the OP willing to tolerate?

The Spacer jumped to my mind immediately simply because the labor
required to achieve the desired goal is the bare minimum and the cost is
right alongside the X10 device and controller combination.

Hope this helps.

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mitchell.gore at gmail

Aug 8, 2008, 2:56 PM

Post #24 of 29 (643 views)
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> Very good point indeed. That is the same rationale I use with clients
> that ask if it wouldn't be cheaper to just use WiFI rather than run Cat6
> to key locations.
>
> However, the original poster wants to ease into automation for just his
> home theater. The simplest scenario is to replace the existing light
> switch on the wall with another device. I've never sold a Spacer but
> installed a few for clients and integrated them into their control
> systems quite successfully.
>
> Of course there will be times when the setting sun through a west facing
> window creates interference with an IR system and plasmas are known to
> wreak havoc as well. I've completed exactly one RadioRA install for a
> project another contractor abandoned and was less than thrilled with the
> RF experience and haven't tried any other since. The Control4/ZigBee
> solution looks amazing but keep in mind that the C4 principals tried
> this nearly two decades ago (Phast) and ended up abandoning every
> customer and integrator. I've yet to see any other consumer application
> for ZigBee devices so I'm not holding my breath.
>
> On the other hand, a well planned IR solution can be made rock solid. A
> Graphic Eye controller for the home theater environment can work
> flawlessly when the IR emitter is concealed behind the unit on the right
> side. This would be /inside/ the required four gang masonry work box and
> National Electric Code now allows for the limited use of low voltage
> wiring inside a high voltage box just for this type of situation.
>
> The problem with integrating the Graphic Eye and much more so the larger
> centralized systems is that every lighting load needs to be run directly
> to the controller. Most homes are not wired this way and retrofitting is
> likely out of the question. If someone had that kind of disposable
> income to re-wire the entire home, they'd do well to consider just
> building a new home. If not, the RadioRA begins to look attractive.
>
> That said, there are many ways to skin a cat. The question is, how many
> scratches and bites is the OP willing to tolerate?
>
> The Spacer jumped to my mind immediately simply because the labor
> required to achieve the desired goal is the bare minimum and the cost is
> right alongside the X10 device and controller combination.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> mw
> _______________________________________________

Mw,

Thanks for the reply, and keeping the list on topic. yes I am looking
for something simple/inexpensive. Right now I am in a Townhome which
i rent. I was researching X10 as i could control the ~5 lights/lamps
in my theater for about $50 and just changing the two switches and
pluggin the lamp controllers in to the wall.

Is X10 really that bad? It seems like the only thing that is really
supported in linux. I dont want to spend $100 or $1000's of dollars
on controllers and new wiring extra. I would like to experiment with
a wall switch and a lamp switch for now. Then, in a year or so when I
buy my house I want to go all out. With that said, I dont want to by
crap now that is just going to be a headache. But, yes I want to
"ease" into it. So with what I start with is the same system I am
expanding ~5 years from now. If there is no real solutions I
completely understand.

Thanks,
Mitchell
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gull at gull

Aug 8, 2008, 4:30 PM

Post #25 of 29 (637 views)
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:56:49 -0500, Mitch Gore wrote
> Is X10 really that bad? It seems like the only thing that is really
> supported in linux.

My experience with it has been mixed. The on/off "appliance modules" are
pretty good, but I've had nothing but grief from the lamp modules. In
particular, the dimming feature of them just doesn't work, for two reasons:

- Dimming levels are not addressable. You can go directly to off or to full
brightness, but to get in between you have to start at full brightness and
step down.

- It's unreliable. I was using one with a 300 watt halogen lamp, and about
half the time dimming it slightly would cause the module to "run away" and
ramp the brightness steadily down until the lamp was off.

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