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mons37318 at mypacks

Aug 4, 2008, 4:07 PM

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Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive?

the question is at the bottom of this post, but the volume o this list here is very heavy, and we've tried everything we can think of, the drives are full and the commercial DVD recorder just breathed its last.

Jay's sister

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra[at]baylink.com>
>Sent: Aug 4, 2008 3:51 PM
>To: mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Why Free Software has poor usability ?
>
>On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:47:47PM -0500, Marc Randolph wrote:
>> I believe that MythTV suffers from a few minor usability issues.
>> Hmmm... well, thinking about it a bit more, I see a trend: everything
>> I can think of is plugins releated. Are they considered part of Myth
>> proper? And perhaps the reason(s) for the usability issues stems from
>> plugins understandably receiving less attention than other parts of
>> MythTV?
>>
>> Anyway, the most common complaint is Mythmusic. Configuring
>> Mythweather recently got added. I'd personally add Mytharchive to the
>> list as well.
>
>In my case, it's MythArchive, which drives, from a keyboard, almost --
>but not quite entirely -- differently than the rest of Myth.
>
>I have some other problems with it right now as well, but they're for a
>different thread.
>
>Whose project is that, and is it supported somewhere other than this list?
>
>Cheers,
>-- jra
>--
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>Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
>Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
>St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
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Aug 5, 2008, 2:41 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

mons37318[at]mypacks.net wrote:
> the question is at the bottom of this post, but the volume o this list here is very heavy, and we've tried everything we can think of, the drives are full and the commercial DVD recorder just breathed its last.
>
> Jay's sister
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra[at]baylink.com>
>> Sent: Aug 4, 2008 3:51 PM
>> To: mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org
>> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Why Free Software has poor usability ?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:47:47PM -0500, Marc Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> I believe that MythTV suffers from a few minor usability issues.
>>> Hmmm... well, thinking about it a bit more, I see a trend: everything
>>> I can think of is plugins releated. Are they considered part of Myth
>>> proper? And perhaps the reason(s) for the usability issues stems from
>>> plugins understandably receiving less attention than other parts of
>>> MythTV?
>>>
>>> Anyway, the most common complaint is Mythmusic. Configuring
>>> Mythweather recently got added. I'd personally add Mytharchive to the
>>> list as well.
>>>
>> In my case, it's MythArchive, which drives, from a keyboard, almost --
>> but not quite entirely -- differently than the rest of Myth.
>>
>> I have some other problems with it right now as well, but they're for a
>> different thread.
>>
>> Whose project is that, and is it supported somewhere other than this list?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jra
>> --
>> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
>> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
>> Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
>> St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
>>
>> Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
>> Those who count the vote decide everything.
>> -- (Josef Stalin)
>>
> --
> Pam from Boston
> Happily ever after means the show is really over.
> Shonda Rhimes - Entertainment Weekly, May 9, 2008 issue
> Scott Bakula News www.bakulanews.com
>
>

I'm the maintainer of MythArchive but to be honest these days a hardly
ever use it. The storage groups stuff has allowed me to change the way
I archive stuff off from saving to DVD to saving on removable hard
drives which works well for me and allows quick access to a large number
of archived recordings.

At some point MythArchive, if it remains as a supported plugin, will
*have* to be converted over to the new mythUI which could mean the
interface could change but I don't have a great deal of enthusiasm for
doing that so if I do it I will probably just do a really quick
conversion keeping most things as they are since it works for me.

The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
go down with the users!!

What exactly don't you like about MythArchive?

Paul H.

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klein.aaron at gmail

Aug 5, 2008, 5:57 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> mons37318[at]mypacks.net wrote:
>> the question is at the bottom of this post, but the volume o this list here is very heavy, and we've tried everything we can think of, the drives are full and the commercial DVD recorder just breathed its last.
>>
>> Jay's sister
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra[at]baylink.com>
>>> Sent: Aug 4, 2008 3:51 PM
>>> To: mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org
>>> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Why Free Software has poor usability ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:47:47PM -0500, Marc Randolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that MythTV suffers from a few minor usability issues.
>>>> Hmmm... well, thinking about it a bit more, I see a trend: everything
>>>> I can think of is plugins releated. Are they considered part of Myth
>>>> proper? And perhaps the reason(s) for the usability issues stems from
>>>> plugins understandably receiving less attention than other parts of
>>>> MythTV?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the most common complaint is Mythmusic. Configuring
>>>> Mythweather recently got added. I'd personally add Mytharchive to the
>>>> list as well.
>>>>
>>> In my case, it's MythArchive, which drives, from a keyboard, almost --
>>> but not quite entirely -- differently than the rest of Myth.
>>>
>>> I have some other problems with it right now as well, but they're for a
>>> different thread.
>>>
>>> Whose project is that, and is it supported somewhere other than this list?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- jra
>>> --
>>> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
>>> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
>>> Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
>>> St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
>>>
>>> Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
>>> Those who count the vote decide everything.
>>> -- (Josef Stalin)
>>>
>> --
>> Pam from Boston
>> Happily ever after means the show is really over.
>> Shonda Rhimes - Entertainment Weekly, May 9, 2008 issue
>> Scott Bakula News www.bakulanews.com
>>
>>
>
> I'm the maintainer of MythArchive but to be honest these days a hardly
> ever use it. The storage groups stuff has allowed me to change the way
> I archive stuff off from saving to DVD to saving on removable hard
> drives which works well for me and allows quick access to a large number
> of archived recordings.
>
> At some point MythArchive, if it remains as a supported plugin, will
> *have* to be converted over to the new mythUI which could mean the
> interface could change but I don't have a great deal of enthusiasm for
> doing that so if I do it I will probably just do a really quick
> conversion keeping most things as they are since it works for me.
>
> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
> go down with the users!!
>
> What exactly don't you like about MythArchive?
>
> Paul H.
>
>
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Im using the version in .21 and I find it a great tool. I use it
mostly for burning cartoon movies like the Scoobydoo movies or other
children's videos to DVD so I can put them on my childs DVD player in
her room. The auto play theme is great for making single movie DVD's
that just start within a few seconds and the other themes make it very
easy to make a multi movie DVD.

It took me a little while to understand the interface but I can use
the remote from my pvr-350 to setup and start the DVD encoding
process. My backend does not have a DVD burner so I have to create an
ISO and then I ssh into the system and move the ISO over to another
system using a SMB share.
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drescherjm at gmail

Aug 5, 2008, 8:08 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
> go down with the users!!
>

I use MythArchive several times a week to watch shows in the living
room which I do not have a frontend yet, so I would definitely want to
keep it in MythTV.

John
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Aug 5, 2008, 8:52 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

John Drescher wrote:
>> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
>> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
>> go down with the users!!
>>
>
> I use MythArchive several times a week to watch shows in the living
> room which I do not have a frontend yet, so I would definitely want to
> keep it in MythTV.

Me too, MythArchive is one of my more-used plugins and I would mourn its
demise.

beww
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Aug 5, 2008, 12:59 PM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Brian Wood <beww[at]beww.org> wrote:
> John Drescher wrote:
>>> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
>>> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
>>> go down with the users!!
>>>
>>
>> I use MythArchive several times a week to watch shows in the living
>> room which I do not have a frontend yet, so I would definitely want to
>> keep it in MythTV.
>
> Me too, MythArchive is one of my more-used plugins and I would mourn its
> demise.
>
> beww

Yes, long live mytharchive.
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jra at baylink

Aug 6, 2008, 8:37 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:41:17AM +0100, Paul Harrison wrote:
> What exactly don't you like about MythArchive?

It's not that we don't like it... it's that we can't get it to work
reliably.

We tried to put 5 eps of Grey's Anatomy on a DVD the other night, in 4
hour mode. They hadn't been transcoded or anything, and were recorded
at 704x480, MPEG2 off a Hauppauge card, which I understood was supposed
to be DVD compatible.

It had to squeeze them anyway, even after it took out the commercials,
which I didn't expect (5x42 < 4x60), and we ended up with

2 eps where the squeeze blew the video framing -- I think the fields
got inverted
1 ep where the audo was missing, and
2 eps that were ok.

I have the log files for all of that, if they'd prove useful.

Part of the problem is just that I don't understand the process well
enough to debug it on my own...

Cheers,
-- jra
--
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Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
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jra at baylink

Aug 6, 2008, 8:38 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:52:23AM -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
> John Drescher wrote:
> >> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
> >> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
> >> go down with the users!!
> >
> > I use MythArchive several times a week to watch shows in the living
> > room which I do not have a frontend yet, so I would definitely want to
> > keep it in MythTV.
>
> Me too, MythArchive is one of my more-used plugins and I would mourn its
> demise.

Well, a concensus seems to be growing... :-)

I'm happy to put some time into helping get it up to date (since my sis
will kill me if she has to keep archiving stuff manually to DVD-R --
especially since her Sylvania recorder is starting to die...

Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

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Aug 6, 2008, 11:43 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra[at]baylink.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:52:23AM -0600, Brian Wood wrote:
>> John Drescher wrote:
>> >> The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
>> >> haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
>> >> go down with the users!!
>> >
>> > I use MythArchive several times a week to watch shows in the living
>> > room which I do not have a frontend yet, so I would definitely want to
>> > keep it in MythTV.
>>
>> Me too, MythArchive is one of my more-used plugins and I would mourn its
>> demise.
>
> Well, a concensus seems to be growing... :-)
>
> I'm happy to put some time into helping get it up to date (since my sis
> will kill me if she has to keep archiving stuff manually to DVD-R --
> especially since her Sylvania recorder is starting to die...
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra[at]baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
> St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
>
> Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
> Those who count the vote decide everything.
> -- (Josef Stalin)
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>

When I put a pvr-350 card in I tried to burn a DVD of a movie that
after the cut list was made and a lossless transcoding was done so it
was still in mpeg2 format the movie was under 90 minutes. When I told
mytharchive to do no encoding given the video was already mpeg2 format
the process failed. When I changed to to SD format where a 2hour
video would fit on a disk, again the file I was working with was less
than 2 hours to begin with, the process worked with out a problem. I
dont know how much this will help you other than it seems that you
need to pick some kind of encoding profile. Maybe try to do 4
episodes of grey's anatomy instead of 5 and see if you get the same
issues.

Another example is I tried to do 4 movies of less than 90 min each on
an extended play DVD that said It would do 6 hours of video. It
should have fit just fine but the dvd creation failed. When I dropped
the movie count to 3 the creation was sucessful with the same
settings.
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mons37318 at mypacks

Aug 7, 2008, 2:27 PM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com>
>Sent: Aug 5, 2008 5:41 AM
>To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org>
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive?
>
>mons37318[at]mypacks.net wrote:
>> the question is at the bottom of this post, but the volume o this list here is very heavy, and we've tried everything we can think of, the drives are full and the commercial DVD recorder just breathed its last.
>>
>> Jay's sister
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra[at]baylink.com>
>>> Sent: Aug 4, 2008 3:51 PM
>>> To: mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org
>>> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Why Free Software has poor usability ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:47:47PM -0500, Marc Randolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that MythTV suffers from a few minor usability issues.
>>>> Hmmm... well, thinking about it a bit more, I see a trend: everything
>>>> I can think of is plugins releated. Are they considered part of Myth
>>>> proper? And perhaps the reason(s) for the usability issues stems from
>>>> plugins understandably receiving less attention than other parts of
>>>> MythTV?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the most common complaint is Mythmusic. Configuring
>>>> Mythweather recently got added. I'd personally add Mytharchive to the
>>>> list as well.
>>>>
>>> In my case, it's MythArchive, which drives, from a keyboard, almost --
>>> but not quite entirely -- differently than the rest of Myth.
>>>
>>> I have some other problems with it right now as well, but they're for a
>>> different thread.
>>>
>>> Whose project is that, and is it supported somewhere other than this list?
>>> -- (Josef Stalin)
>>
>>
>
>I'm the maintainer of MythArchive but to be honest these days a hardly
>ever use it. The storage groups stuff has allowed me to change the way
>I archive stuff off from saving to DVD to saving on removable hard
>drives which works well for me and allows quick access to a large number
>of archived recordings.
>
>At some point MythArchive, if it remains as a supported plugin, will
>*have* to be converted over to the new mythUI which could mean the
>interface could change but I don't have a great deal of enthusiasm for
>doing that so if I do it I will probably just do a really quick
>conversion keeping most things as they are since it works for me.
>
>The other alternative would be to just drop MythArchive from SVN but I
>haven't consulted Isaac about that and I don't know how well that will
>go down with the users!!
>
>What exactly don't you like about MythArchive?
>
>Paul H.

Sorry to have wandered off. The volume of this list would not be a problem, if I didn't use my webmail so often (I do know how to filter, just not visually) but since I do, I pushed it to one of my "anonymous" email addresses, and then forgot to check back in.

As Jay noted- it's not that I don't like it - it's just that out of, say 8 DVDs burned *ever* (we try again from time to time) only 1 has come out with its audio completely intact. The rest, at least one ep (and often more) out of every disc will come out with no audio.
(the thing with the compression is a problem too, but let's start with the audio)

it's either mv2, mp2 or ac3... it creates an audio "stream?" and then says it's the wrong kind and just dumps it. i think. Jay can interpret the logs a lot better than me.

the comsumer DVD recorder is dying, I've had myth since July of 94, and so far, have only been able to offload two episodes of Chuck.
(my 500GB and my 400GB drives are full, and since the LVM crash, i don't trust spinning storage - even if it *is* running Linux)

can anyone help with the audio?

--
Pam from Boston
Happily ever after means the show is really over.
Shonda Rhimes - Entertainment Weekly, May 9, 2008 issue
Scott Bakula News www.bakulanews.com

--
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Happily ever after means the show is really over.
Shonda Rhimes - Entertainment Weekly, May 9, 2008 issue
Scott Bakula News www.bakulanews.com
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Aug 7, 2008, 3:05 PM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

mons37318[at]mypacks.net wrote:
> Sorry to have wandered off. The volume of this list would not be a problem, if I didn't use my webmail so often (I do know how to filter, just not visually) but since I do, I pushed it to one of my "anonymous" email addresses, and then forgot to check back in.
>
> As Jay noted- it's not that I don't like it - it's just that out of, say 8 DVDs burned *ever* (we try again from time to time) only 1 has come out with its audio completely intact. The rest, at least one ep (and often more) out of every disc will come out with no audio.
> (the thing with the compression is a problem too, but let's start with the audio)
>
> it's either mv2, mp2 or ac3... it creates an audio "stream?" and then says it's the wrong kind and just dumps it. i think. Jay can interpret the logs a lot better than me.
>
> the comsumer DVD recorder is dying, I've had myth since July of 94, and so far, have only been able to offload two episodes of Chuck.
> (my 500GB and my 400GB drives are full, and since the LVM crash, i don't trust spinning storage - even if it *is* running Linux)
>
> can anyone help with the audio?
>
> --
> Pam from Boston
> Happily ever after means the show is really over.
> Shonda Rhimes - Entertainment Weekly, May 9, 2008 issue
> Scott Bakula News www.bakulanews.com
>
>

That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
are you using?

There's a lot of variables here like are you using ntsc or pal, which
demuxer are you using mythreplex or projectx, are you re-encoding the
files, are you converting the audio track to ac3 etc. The best way for
me to get the required information would be the next time you have a
failed attempt is email me the progress.log which contains most of the
information I need - that is if you are using the latest version from
either trunk or the fixes branch - I don't want to waste my time looking
for a bug that has already been fixed :-)

Paul H.
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Aug 8, 2008, 3:03 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
> are you using?
>
> ...
>
> Paul H.

Paul-

Could you cite the bug(s) you're referencing and give me an idea of
what MythTV version they first appeared in? I generally use what Axel
has in his stable RPM repository and would be most interested in
giving MythArchive another try. My previous attempts either failed to
even produce a DVD or had the audio drift out of sync with the video.

Craig.
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Aug 8, 2008, 3:10 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Craig Huff wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>> That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
>> are you using?
>>
>> Paul H.
>
> Paul-
>
> Could you cite the bug(s) you're referencing and give me an idea of
> what MythTV version they first appeared in? I generally use what Axel
> has in his stable RPM repository

Me too. :-)

> and would be most interested in giving MythArchive another try. My
> previous attempts either failed to even produce a DVD

This can happen, particularly if the source recording is damaged or
non-compliant in some way. I've fixed some of the 'fail to complete' bugs
as I've found them, and I'm sure Paul's been doing the same.

> or had the audio drift out of sync with the video.

That sounds like an issue with your source. I've never had anything like
that problem myself, but my source material is always DVB-T (i.e.
MPEG-over-radio). Are you making recordings from an analogue tuner, by any
chance?

> Craig.

Best Regards,
Alex.
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Aug 8, 2008, 7:39 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Alex Butcher <mythlist[at]assursys.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Craig Huff wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>> That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
>>> are you using?
>>>
>>> Paul H.
>>
>> Paul-
>>
>> Could you cite the bug(s) you're referencing and give me an idea of
>> what MythTV version they first appeared in? I generally use what Axel
>> has in his stable RPM repository
>
> Me too. :-)
>
>> and would be most interested in giving MythArchive another try. My
>> previous attempts either failed to even produce a DVD
>
> This can happen, particularly if the source recording is damaged or
> non-compliant in some way. I've fixed some of the 'fail to complete' bugs
> as I've found them, and I'm sure Paul's been doing the same.
>
>> or had the audio drift out of sync with the video.
>
> That sounds like an issue with your source. I've never had anything like
> that problem myself, but my source material is always DVB-T (i.e.
> MPEG-over-radio). Are you making recordings from an analogue tuner, by any
> chance?
>
>> Craig.
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex.

I've never actually used mytharchive. I see that you're in the UK.
As far as audio/video sync issues I can tell you this: I record
(U.S.) DVB-T only (no analog), and while some can be demuxed,
converted to proper NTSC DVD formats, and remuxed without an
issue...many (if not most) of the shows I record simply defy keeping
audio sync when converted to DVD _unless_ I demux initially with
projectx. Often towards the end of a one hour show they get one or
two seconds out of sync. Even if I use mythtranscode with the --mpeg2
option first it doesn't help. After reading suggestions here
regarding projectx I finally tried it, and it's the only thing I've
found that can reliably prevent these sync issues.

As a matter of fact, I recently wrote a (rather limited but effective)
perl script I've been using to create NTSC DVDs from my DVB-T
recordings using projectx, mencoder, tcmplex-panteltje, and dvdauthor
that's been working really great for me. I was going to post it to
the list in the near future in case someone else might find it useful.

All I can say is that, if recent versions of mytharchive can deal with
U.S. DVB-T to DVD conversions reliably without these sync issues, I'd
like to hear about it...because other stuff I've tried to do without
projectx (transcode etc) simply can't seem to deal with the sync
correctly.

I suppose issues like this may vary depending on local affiliates etc,
specifically where you happen to be located. I'm in NJ and pick up
New York broadcasts. Maybe if you happen to always get flawless
reception these problems don't occur...but I'd think that rare for us
antenna users.

Tom
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Aug 8, 2008, 7:54 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Tom Dexter wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Alex Butcher <mythlist[at]assursys.co.uk> wrote:
>> That sounds like an issue with your source. I've never had anything like
>> that problem myself, but my source material is always DVB-T (i.e.
>> MPEG-over-radio). Are you making recordings from an analogue tuner, by any
>> chance?

>> Alex.
>
> I've never actually used mytharchive. I see that you're in the UK.
> As far as audio/video sync issues I can tell you this: I record
> (U.S.) DVB-T only (no analog), and while some can be demuxed,
> converted to proper NTSC DVD formats, and remuxed without an
> issue...many (if not most) of the shows I record simply defy keeping
> audio sync when converted to DVD _unless_ I demux initially with
> projectx.

I use Project-X all the time, and my experience with mythtranscode and its
relative lack of robustness when dealing with real-work broadcast DVB (i.e
with corruption) led me to add the ability to use Project-X to MythArchive
after it was lost in the transition from MythBurn.

> because other stuff I've tried to do without projectx (transcode etc)
> simply can't seem to deal with the sync correctly.

Sounds like you ought ot configure MythArchive to use Project-X. :-)

> Tom

Best Regards,
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Aug 8, 2008, 7:56 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

Tom Dexter wrote:
> [ ... ]
> As a matter of fact, I recently wrote a (rather limited but effective)
> perl script I've been using to create NTSC DVDs from my DVB-T
> recordings using projectx, mencoder, tcmplex-panteltje, and dvdauthor
> that's been working really great for me. I was going to post it to
> the list in the near future in case someone else might find it useful.

yes please!
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Aug 8, 2008, 8:17 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Alex Butcher <mythlist[at]assursys.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Tom Dexter wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Alex Butcher <mythlist[at]assursys.co.uk> wrote:
>>> That sounds like an issue with your source. I've never had anything like
>>> that problem myself, but my source material is always DVB-T (i.e.
>>> MPEG-over-radio). Are you making recordings from an analogue tuner, by any
>>> chance?
>
>>> Alex.
>>
>> I've never actually used mytharchive. I see that you're in the UK.
>> As far as audio/video sync issues I can tell you this: I record
>> (U.S.) DVB-T only (no analog), and while some can be demuxed,
>> converted to proper NTSC DVD formats, and remuxed without an
>> issue...many (if not most) of the shows I record simply defy keeping
>> audio sync when converted to DVD _unless_ I demux initially with
>> projectx.
>
> I use Project-X all the time, and my experience with mythtranscode and its
> relative lack of robustness when dealing with real-work broadcast DVB (i.e
> with corruption) led me to add the ability to use Project-X to MythArchive
> after it was lost in the transition from MythBurn.
>
>> because other stuff I've tried to do without projectx (transcode etc)
>> simply can't seem to deal with the sync correctly.
>
> Sounds like you ought ot configure MythArchive to use Project-X. :-)
>
>> Tom
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex.

Well...like I said, I haven't used mytharchive at all. I wasn't aware
you could configure it to use projectx...interesting. I guess what
you're telling me is that, as of this point, mytharchive has just as
much trouble dealing with less-than-perfect DVB as everything else.

In any case, I really don't want to do those conversions on either my
frontend (I don't want to tie up it's cpu and is actually doesn't have
a DVD burner at this point anyway) or my backend (which is busy enough
recording and commflagging).

Tom
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Aug 8, 2008, 8:20 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 11:05:32PM +0100, Paul Harrison wrote:
> That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
> are you using?

Whichever one produced the logfiles here:

http://bakulanews.dyndns.org:8080/mytharchive/

:-)

It's the one that came with 0.21, I think.

> There's a lot of variables here like are you using ntsc or pal, which
> demuxer are you using mythreplex or projectx, are you re-encoding the
> files, are you converting the audio track to ac3 etc. The best way for
> me to get the required information would be the next time you have a
> failed attempt is email me the progress.log which contains most of the
> information I need - that is if you are using the latest version from
> either trunk or the fixes branch - I don't want to waste my time looking
> for a bug that has already been fixed :-)

Perfectly understandable... and much more politely put than some
authors bother with. :-)

If that's not up to date, let me know, and I'll snag it from wherever
I'm supposed to...

Cheers,
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Aug 8, 2008, 8:28 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:56 AM, cal <cal[at]graggrag.com> wrote:
> Tom Dexter wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>> As a matter of fact, I recently wrote a (rather limited but effective)
>> perl script I've been using to create NTSC DVDs from my DVB-T
>> recordings using projectx, mencoder, tcmplex-panteltje, and dvdauthor
>> that's been working really great for me. I was going to post it to
>> the list in the near future in case someone else might find it useful.
>
> yes please!
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I'll try to post them today. There are actually two scripts. Their
functionality was different enough that I decided not to try to
combine the functionality into one.

One script creates an NTSC DVD directory structure from one or more
mpeg-ts files (one title per file), with an option for a menu (a
simple text menu using makemenu from the tovid package, with one entry
per file), and a burn option (using growisofs).

The other is strictly intended for splitting one mpeg-ts file at
specified time stamps and creating multiple NTSC DVD directories (with
no menu or burn option).

Both can put chapter markers every five minutes.

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Aug 8, 2008, 8:35 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

> I use Project-X all the time, and my experience with mythtranscode and its
> relative lack of robustness when dealing with real-work broadcast DVB (i.e
> with corruption) led me to add the ability to use Project-X to MythArchive
> after it was lost in the transition from MythBurn.
>
Long ago I found that mythtranscode is the cause of a lot of out of
sync with ivtv sources and that using projectx to demux instead will
fix the issue. Projectx is now in mytharchive so no need to use any
external scripts or cut videos outside of myth. However I would still
like to see mythtranscode fixed to not cause these issues in the first
place. The reason for that is that I cut (remove commercials) my
videos days if not weeks before I archive them to dvd.

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Aug 8, 2008, 2:28 PM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Tom Dexter <digitalaudiorock[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:56 AM, cal <cal[at]graggrag.com> wrote:
>> Tom Dexter wrote:
>>> [ ... ]
>>> As a matter of fact, I recently wrote a (rather limited but effective)
>>> perl script I've been using to create NTSC DVDs from my DVB-T
>>> recordings using projectx, mencoder, tcmplex-panteltje, and dvdauthor
>>> that's been working really great for me. I was going to post it to
>>> the list in the near future in case someone else might find it useful.
>>
>> yes please!
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>
> I'll try to post them today. There are actually two scripts. Their
> functionality was different enough that I decided not to try to
> combine the functionality into one.
>
> One script creates an NTSC DVD directory structure from one or more
> mpeg-ts files (one title per file), with an option for a menu (a
> simple text menu using makemenu from the tovid package, with one entry
> per file), and a burn option (using growisofs).
>
> The other is strictly intended for splitting one mpeg-ts file at
> specified time stamps and creating multiple NTSC DVD directories (with
> no menu or burn option).
>
> Both can put chapter markers every five minutes.
>

sounds a bit like any2dvd, a great script (although never tried it
with dvb files)
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Aug 8, 2008, 5:11 PM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Tom Dexter <digitalaudiorock[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:56 AM, cal <cal[at]graggrag.com> wrote:
>>> Tom Dexter wrote:
>>>> [ ... ]
>>>> As a matter of fact, I recently wrote a (rather limited but effective)
>>>> perl script I've been using to create NTSC DVDs from my DVB-T
>>>> recordings using projectx, mencoder, tcmplex-panteltje, and dvdauthor
>>>> that's been working really great for me. I was going to post it to
>>>> the list in the near future in case someone else might find it useful.
>>>
>>> yes please!
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>>>
>>
>> I'll try to post them today. There are actually two scripts. Their
>> functionality was different enough that I decided not to try to
>> combine the functionality into one.
>>
>> One script creates an NTSC DVD directory structure from one or more
>> mpeg-ts files (one title per file), with an option for a menu (a
>> simple text menu using makemenu from the tovid package, with one entry
>> per file), and a burn option (using growisofs).
>>
>> The other is strictly intended for splitting one mpeg-ts file at
>> specified time stamps and creating multiple NTSC DVD directories (with
>> no menu or burn option).
>>
>> Both can put chapter markers every five minutes.
>>
>
> sounds a bit like any2dvd, a great script (although never tried it
> with dvb files)
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Yes...I've used that. It is a great script, but many of my DVB files
end up way out of sync using it, as it uses transcode. It's great for
most files however...avi's etc. I would have considered trying to
alter it to use projectx if it weren't written in bash. The advent of
better scripting languages sort of kept me from ever learning more
than enough bash to squeak by ;).

Mine is very simple (and limited) compared to that.

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Aug 9, 2008, 4:08 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

Craig Huff wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Paul Harrison <mythtv[at]dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> That sounds a lot like a bug that has already been fixed. What version
>> are you using?
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Paul H.
>>
>
> Paul-
>
> Could you cite the bug(s) you're referencing and give me an idea of
> what MythTV version they first appeared in? I generally use what Axel
> has in his stable RPM repository and would be most interested in
> giving MythArchive another try. My previous attempts either failed to
> even produce a DVD or had the audio drift out of sync with the video.
>
> Craig.
>
>

Pam was a little vague about the error but my initial thought was the
problem with ffmpeg renaming the ac3 codec to liba52 which caused the
script to fail. I can't remember the exact error message something like
'Can't find all the required streams' or something like that.

For svn trunk
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17101

and for svn 0-21-fixes branch
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17102

The audio sync problem is a completely different problem cause by
tortuous process the recording has to go though to get on the DVD.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Of cause I'd like it to work
100% of the time, it already does for me using recordings from a PVR350
:-) but sadly not for everyone, DVB-x recordings are another story
though. When you begin to understand some the processes involved to get
the recordings to DVD you may see why it can sometimes fail.

It should be made clear that the mythburn.py script doesn't do any
processing of files itself but calls other tools to do the dirty work.
Some of the tools involved in processing the recording to get them into
a state where they can be added to a DVD include, mytharchivehelper,
mythreplex, mythtransode, projectx, ffmpeg, mplex and dvdauthor and
probably others I have forgot.

The mpeg file as recorded by Myth from a PVR-x50 or from a ATSC/DVB-x
broadcast contains packets of video and audio data interleaved
together. These packets contain the actual video/audio data and also
headers that have presentation time stamp (PTS) information that tell
the player when each packet should be played out. The PTS timestamps are
what keeps everything in sync.

When we create a DVD we _have_ to split the original file apart to get
the individual audio and video streams. We do this for several reasons,
the file may contain several audio streams and we only want one of them,
the file may contain additional data streams that we don't require
(teletext, subtitles, interactive data streams etc), we may have to swap
the mp2 audio stream with an ac3 copy etc. We also have to insert the
NAV packets that DVDs require and as far as I know the only way to do
that is to split the streams then use mplex to remux them back together
inserting the NAV packets along the way.

Unfortunately when you split a file like this all those PTS timestamps
are lost making it impossible to guarantee that when you stitch
everything back together (re multiplex) they will still be in sync. The
tools we use to split the original file (demux) either mythreplex or
projectx try to keep everything in sync by keeping track of the PTSs and
comparing that with how long each stream is (in time) and either insert
or delete audio packets to make sure each stream is the correct length.

Things are further complicated when the original file needs to be cut to
top and tail the file and remove commercials. The problem there is the
audio and video packets aren't necessarily the same length (in time). So
when you cut a file there may be either some audio or video past the end
of the cut that we don't want. If the demuxer doesn't keep track of
these part packets the sync will progressively get out of sync after
each cut.

There also seems to be a problem with some broadcasters streams
confusing the demuxers. I don't know exactly what the problem is but it
could be something to do with them changing the streams format during
commercials or it could be PTS jumps around commercials are confusing
them. It could simply be the streams are slightly corrupt due to poor
reception and most players can detect and conceal these errors but the
tools used by MythArchive assume perfect streams and so don't do enough
error detection to correct any problems .

So basically fixing the audio sync problem is not easy. It should be
possible for someone with a great deal of knowledge about mpeg streams
to get mythtranscode and mythreplex to do a better job but that is
beyond my knowledge.

It may be possible to find the magic combination of existing tools that
will work together 100% of the time whatever is thrown at them. The last
time I looked most of the tools used by MythArchive weren't being
actively developed so we may be stuck with what we have.

ffmpeg is actively being developed and it may be possible to better use
it's capabilities either using the ffmpeg command line tool or using
libavformat, libavcodec etc directly. I noticed in the list of encoding
formats 'dvd' I wonder if that creates a file including the NAV packets
that can be passed directly to dvdauthor or is it just a plain mpeg PES
file? Something to investigate if I ever get time.

Paul H.

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Aug 9, 2008, 7:47 AM

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Re: Does anyone know who supports Mytharchive? [In reply to]

Paul Harrison wrote:
> We also have to insert the
> NAV packets that DVDs require and as far as I know the only way to do
> that is to split the streams then use mplex to remux them back together
> inserting the NAV packets along the way.

Both mencoder (-mpegopts format=dvd) and mythtranscode (-e dvd) can
insert NAV packets without splitting.

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Aug 9, 2008, 10:28 AM

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Boleslaw Ciesielski wrote:
> Paul Harrison wrote:
>
>> We also have to insert the
>> NAV packets that DVDs require and as far as I know the only way to do
>> that is to split the streams then use mplex to remux them back together
>> inserting the NAV packets along the way.
>>
>
> Both mencoder (-mpegopts format=dvd) and mythtranscode (-e dvd) can
> insert NAV packets without splitting.
>
> Bolek
>
>

I believe mythtranscode still has the problem of not being able to
choose the audio track(s) we need and a problem with the audio tracks
sometimes randomly swapping places. Also to be DVD compliant at least in
the US the mp2 tracks need to be re-encoded to ac3 which the lossless
encoder in mythtranscode cannot currently do. The first two problems
should be easily fixed but the last one isn't so easy.

Not tried mencoder so not sure if that would work adding another
dependency isn't ideal but if it can can be made to work I don't think
anyone will complain. Simply being able to create a DVD compliant file
isn't enough though we need to be able to have it cut the commercials,
remove the streams we are not interested in, allow us to choose the
audio stream(s) we need, re-encode the audio and/or video to make it DVD
compliant and at the end have good audio sync.

I don't think there is a single tool that does all we need. ffmpeg is
pretty close if it can in fact produce DVD compliant files with NAV
packets. The only thing it cannot do is the commercial cutting. We could
use mythtranscode in it's fifo mode to do the cutting and pass the raw
streams to ffmpeg to produce the final DVD compliant file but that would
be slow because every file would need to be re-encoded even if it was
already DVD compliant. The script already does something similar for
NUV files.

One thing I like about the way it currently works is I can produce a DVD
in less than a half hour because I record everything with a DVD
friendly format.

Paul H.

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