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ericsbinaryworld at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 11:05 AM

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Satellite in the US

Sorry if I have things a bit mixed up, but from what I've read in the
mailing list, our European users can access satellite TV straight into a
capture card by simply obtaining the CAM card from their sat provider and
putting it into their sat capture card. Thus they don't need to purchase a
receiver and/or use an IR blaster.

Does no such thing exist for satellite TV in the US?

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kkuphal at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 11:23 AM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Eric Mesa <ericsbinaryworld[at]gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry if I have things a bit mixed up, but from what I've read in the
> mailing list, our European users can access satellite TV straight into a
> capture card by simply obtaining the CAM card from their sat provider and
> putting it into their sat capture card. Thus they don't need to purchase a
> receiver and/or use an IR blaster.
>
> Does no such thing exist for satellite TV in the US?
>

I believe so, but not from the providers you're thinking of (Dish,
DirectTV). Lyngsat has a list of the FTA (Free-to-air) satellites
available in the US. I'm pretty sure you're looking at DVB-S cards. You'll
get some obscure programming and things like NASA TV but it isn't going to
work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide the
decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).

Kevin

drescherjm at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 12:11 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

> You'll get some obscure programming and things like NASA TV

And lots of religious stations.

> but it isn't going to
> work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide the
> decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
>
Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to pay
for packages and use some type of receiver.

John
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carlos.borroto at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 2:11 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> but it isn't going to
>> work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide the
>> decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
>>
> Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
> free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to pay
> for packages and use some type of receiver.
>

I think this is exactly the question, is there any legal/pay option to
see satellite TV from a US provider like Dish or DirecTV?, I know in
Europe there is the option of buying a DVB-S with a CI slot, where you
can put a card from a provider you are subscribed and them watch your
payed service with whatever software you one. Is there an option like
this on the US?, does MythTV support it?

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eallaud at yahoo

Jul 23, 2008, 2:15 PM

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Re : Satellite in the US [In reply to]

Le 23.07.2008 15:11:40, John Drescher a �crit�:
> > You'll get some obscure programming and things like NASA TV
>
> And lots of religious stations.
>
> > but it isn't going to
> > work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not
> provide
> the
> > decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
> >
> Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
> free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to
> pay
> for packages and use some type of receiver.
Well this is a pity: here (in France) we can buy a CAM (the decryption
pcmcia card) put it in the DVB card and stick the subscription card
into it and voila! My cam for example decrypts 2 streams at the same
time, which means that even for pay channels I can get 2 channels
simultanuously provided they are on the same frequency, which is really
nice. The cam is pricey (100�) but it definitely gives you something
very flexible.
Bye
Manu

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Jul 23, 2008, 2:17 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Carlos Javier Borroto <
carlos.borroto[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> but it isn't going to
> >> work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide the
> >> decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
> >>
> > Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
> > free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to pay
> > for packages and use some type of receiver.
> >
>
> I think this is exactly the question, is there any legal/pay option to
> see satellite TV from a US provider like Dish or DirecTV?, I know in
> Europe there is the option of buying a DVB-S with a CI slot, where you
> can put a card from a provider you are subscribed and them watch your
> payed service with whatever software you one. Is there an option like
> this on the US?, does MythTV support it?

The only legal way to record content from Dish or DirectTV is via the method
mentioned in the OP via the STB.

Kevin

nick.rout at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 4:03 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Carlos Javier Borroto
> <carlos.borroto[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:11 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> but it isn't going to
>> >> work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide
>> >> the
>> >> decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
>> >>
>> > Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
>> > free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to pay
>> > for packages and use some type of receiver.
>> >
>>
>> I think this is exactly the question, is there any legal/pay option to
>> see satellite TV from a US provider like Dish or DirecTV?, I know in
>> Europe there is the option of buying a DVB-S with a CI slot, where you
>> can put a card from a provider you are subscribed and them watch your
>> payed service with whatever software you one. Is there an option like
>> this on the US?, does MythTV support it?
>
>
> The only legal way to record content from Dish or DirectTV is via the method
> mentioned in the OP via the STB.

In NZ we essentially have 2 satellite providers. Freeview broadcast
unencrypted and the material is freely available (although still
subject to copyright of course) via a DVB-S card. Sky use encryption
and the only way to record is with their MySky proprietary STB PVR or
via the analogue out of the plain STB.
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jppoet at gmail

Jul 23, 2008, 4:18 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:11 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> You'll get some obscure programming and things like NASA TV
>
> And lots of religious stations.
>
>> but it isn't going to
>> work with the commercial US providers lineups as they do not provide the
>> decryption CAMs, only the Set Top Boxes (STB).
>>
> Exactly, don't expect to get any cable channels or major networks for
> free. These will be encrypted and to receive them you will have to pay
> for packages and use some type of receiver.
>
> John

Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.

John
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beww at beww

Jul 23, 2008, 4:31 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wednesday 23 July 2008 17:18:56 John P Poet wrote:

>
> Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
> forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.

Never heard of the pvr companion, thanks for the pointer.

But, MJPEG ???

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david at thegeorges

Jul 23, 2008, 5:33 PM

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On 7/23/2008 7:31 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 17:18:56 John P Poet wrote:
>
>
>> Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
>> forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.
>>
>
> Never heard of the pvr companion, thanks for the pointer.
>
> But, MJPEG ???
>

MJPEG2000, much better compression than MJPEG and easier editing than
MPEG2 or MPEG4 because you don't have to worry about B or P frames. The
plan is to wrap the MJPEG2000 and the audio in a Matroska container.
The other advantage is that it will be all open source and you will be
able to run other apps on the box if you desire (like LED status lights
for your tuners).

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robert.macaulay at gmail

Sep 24, 2008, 2:41 PM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, David George <david[at]thegeorges.us> wrote:

> On 7/23/2008 7:31 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 17:18:56 John P Poet wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
> >> forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.
> >>
> >
> > Never heard of the pvr companion, thanks for the pointer.
> >
>
>
> Curious if there are any updates on pvrcompanion? I like the idea of the
network attached tuners. Much simpler than dealing with kernel drivers, etc.

Thanks

jedi at mishnet

Sep 25, 2008, 11:30 AM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:41:04PM -0500, Robert Macaulay wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, David George <david[at]thegeorges.us> wrote:
>
> > On 7/23/2008 7:31 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 17:18:56 John P Poet wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
> > >> forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Never heard of the pvr companion, thanks for the pointer.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Curious if there are any updates on pvrcompanion? I like the idea of the
> network attached tuners. Much simpler than dealing with kernel drivers, etc.

The HD-PVR driver is very simple to work with. It's a modified version
of the main v4l tree by the looks of it. It is not at all the royal pain
in the ass that ivtv or lirc can be.
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Sep 26, 2008, 7:51 AM

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Re: Satellite in the US [In reply to]

On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:30 -0500, jedi wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:41:04PM -0500, Robert Macaulay wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, David George <david[at]thegeorges.us> wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/23/2008 7:31 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 17:18:56 John P Poet wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Correct. And if you want HD, you have to use either HD-PVR or the
> > > >> forthcomming http://pvrcompanion.com component capture devices.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Never heard of the pvr companion, thanks for the pointer.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Curious if there are any updates on pvrcompanion? I like the idea of the
> > network attached tuners. Much simpler than dealing with kernel drivers, etc.
>
>
> The HD-PVR driver is very simple to work with. It's a modified version
> of the main v4l tree by the looks of it. It is not at all the royal pain
> in the ass that ivtv or lirc can be.

I have the HD-PVR and love it! I use it with Digital Cable but it would
work just as well with any set top box.

The only 'pain' I had is having to make my own packages for SVN.
Although some are/were posted for Mythbuntu there were dependency issues
and rather then force install, I fixed the packages and recompiled for
my own use.

SVN has other quirks that you may have issues with to so if you aren't
familiar with linux and your system, you might be overly challenged to
do this.

Norm

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