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lofty69 at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 4:34 AM

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MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet.

I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
doing and whether it would work...

1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
quad nic system)
Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570

1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
2 x Frontends

The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
connection.

Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?

I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
and I'm hoping this is feasible.
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derliebegott at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 4:54 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
> I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
> and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
> doing and whether it would work...
>
> 1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
> quad nic system)
> Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570
>
> 1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
> 2 x Frontends
>
> The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
> one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
> NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
> well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
> connection.
>
> Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
> the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?
>
> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
> and I'm hoping this is feasible.

I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
mythbackend for something (no idea what for).

But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
always online -> your master backend is online.
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gravityhammer at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 5:12 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>> I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
>> and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
>> doing and whether it would work...
>>
>> 1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
>> quad nic system)
>> Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570
>>
>> 1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
>> 2 x Frontends
>>
>> The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
>> one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
>> NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
>> well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
>> connection.
>>
>> Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
>> the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?
>>
>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>
>
> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>
> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
> always online -> your master backend is online.

The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.
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derliebegott at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 5:28 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>>> I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
>>> and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
>>> doing and whether it would work...
>>>
>>> 1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
>>> quad nic system)
>>> Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570
>>>
>>> 1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
>>> 2 x Frontends
>>>
>>> The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
>>> one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
>>> NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
>>> well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
>>> the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?
>>>
>>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>>
>>
>> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
>> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>>
>> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
>> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
>> always online -> your master backend is online.
>
> The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
> IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.

Really? Here is one more idea :) :
-> I read somewhere on the -dev list that there is some kind of
virtual tuner which can be set in mythtv. Devs use it for testing
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derliebegott at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 5:32 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com>:
> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>>>> I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
>>>> and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
>>>> doing and whether it would work...
>>>>
>>>> 1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
>>>> quad nic system)
>>>> Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
>>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
>>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570
>>>>
>>>> 1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
>>>> 2 x Frontends
>>>>
>>>> The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
>>>> one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
>>>> NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
>>>> well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
>>>> connection.
>>>>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
>>>> the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>>>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>>>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
>>> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>>>
>>> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
>>> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
>>> always online -> your master backend is online.
>>
>> The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
>> IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.
>
> Really? Here is one more idea :) :
> -> I read somewhere on the -dev list that there is some kind of
> virtual tuner which can be set in mythtv. Devs use it for testing
>

Dummy tuner:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/299246?search_string=dummy%20tuner;#299246

Cold this be used on the master backend?
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mythtv at frouse3

Jun 26, 2008, 6:16 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>>>> I've posted a couple of times regarding setting up MythTV using NAS
>>>> and I just wanted to get peoples input on a system I was thinking of
>>>> doing and whether it would work...
>>>>
>>>> 1 x NAS for storage, mysql, apache etc (using FreeeNAS and a dual or
>>>> quad nic system)
>>>> Using one of the following boards with a 1.5Ghz processor:
>>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=610
>>>> http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=570
>>>>
>>>> 1 x Master backend/fronend for recording/watching
>>>> 2 x Frontends
>>>>
>>>> The way I was thinking of setting up the backend was using two NICs
>>>> one for recording and mysql and one for everything else, and on the
>>>> NAS box have one NIC for recording and one for everything else as
>>>> well, this way the writing to the disk is done on its own gigabit
>>>> connection.
>>>>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that because the sql db is on the NAS box that
>>>> the frontend would not need to see a master server up and running?
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>>>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>>>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
>>> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>>>
>>> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
>>> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
>>> always online -> your master backend is online.
>>
>> The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
>> IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.
>
> Really? Here is one more idea :) :
> -> I read somewhere on the -dev list that there is some kind of
> virtual tuner which can be set in mythtv. Devs use it for testing

I have my master backend / mysql database running in a virtual machine
with no tuners defined. I do not however, use the master backend override
for streaming.
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steve.p.daniels at googlemail

Jun 26, 2008, 7:01 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>>
>>
>> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
>> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>>
>> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
>> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
>> always online -> your master backend is online.
>
> The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
> IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.

I believe this to be incorrect.

Steve Daniels
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derliebegott at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 7:07 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Steve Daniels <steve.p.daniels[at]googlemail.com>:
> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>>>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
>>>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
>>>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
>>> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
>>>
>>> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
>>> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
>>> always online -> your master backend is online.
>>
>> The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
>> IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.
>
> I believe this to be incorrect.

What? That MB hast be online or that MB has to have at least one tuner?
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kkuphal at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 7:19 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Steve Daniels <
steve.p.daniels[at]googlemail.com> wrote:

> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
> > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Ma Begaj <derliebegott[at]gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
> >>> I would prefer a system that is on 24x7 but I want something that is
> >>> low powered, quite quiet and can be located somewhere out of the way
> >>> and I'm hoping this is feasible.
> >>
> >>
> >> I was also thinking the same thing, but it is not true. It needs
> >> mythbackend for something (no idea what for).
> >>
> >> But you could install a master backend without tuners on your NAS
> >> machine, and use your other backend as a slave backend. Your NAS is
> >> always online -> your master backend is online.
> >
> > The backend is what serves up your recorded files. It has to be on.
> > IIRC, the master backend also has to have at least one tuner.
>
> I believe this to be incorrect.

Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
has to have at least one tuner.

Kevin

galaxiaguy at googlemail

Jun 26, 2008, 7:29 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

>
> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
> has to have at least one tuner.
>
>

The last time this question came up, I thought the answer was that the
backend doesn't actually need a tuner as such, but running it without a
tuner is a "not supported configuration".

Some things also don't seem to need a backend running, like MythVideo
(although it complains about no backend the videos it can access still
play).

Oliver

lofty69 at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 8:32 AM

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2008/6/26 Oliver Brown <galaxiaguy[at]googlemail.com>:
>
>>
>> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
>> has to have at least one tuner.
>>
>
> The last time this question came up, I thought the answer was that the
> backend doesn't actually need a tuner as such, but running it without a
> tuner is a "not supported configuration".
>
> Some things also don't seem to need a backend running, like MythVideo
> (although it complains about no backend the videos it can access still
> play).
>
> Oliver
>
>
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so, it looks like I should forget NAS and use the via board as a
master backend and use a slave backend for recordings, but have the
recordings saved to the master backend.. that just leaves the question
of can you have a master backend with no tuners or can you setup a
virtual tuner that does nothing?
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lofty69 at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 8:36 AM

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2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
> 2008/6/26 Oliver Brown <galaxiaguy[at]googlemail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
>>> has to have at least one tuner.
>>>
>>
>> The last time this question came up, I thought the answer was that the
>> backend doesn't actually need a tuner as such, but running it without a
>> tuner is a "not supported configuration".
>>
>> Some things also don't seem to need a backend running, like MythVideo
>> (although it complains about no backend the videos it can access still
>> play).
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>>
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>>
>
> so, it looks like I should forget NAS and use the via board as a
> master backend and use a slave backend for recordings, but have the
> recordings saved to the master backend.. that just leaves the question
> of can you have a master backend with no tuners or can you setup a
> virtual tuner that does nothing?
>

Maybe this is the anwser..

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/333588?search_string=virtual%20tuner;#333588

guess I should have a play...
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derliebegott at gmail

Jun 26, 2008, 11:31 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
> 2008/6/26 Roy Lofthouse <lofty69[at]gmail.com>:
>> 2008/6/26 Oliver Brown <galaxiaguy[at]googlemail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
>>>> has to have at least one tuner.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The last time this question came up, I thought the answer was that the
>>> backend doesn't actually need a tuner as such, but running it without a
>>> tuner is a "not supported configuration".
>>>
>>> Some things also don't seem to need a backend running, like MythVideo
>>> (although it complains about no backend the videos it can access still
>>> play).
>>>
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org
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>>>
>>
>> so, it looks like I should forget NAS and use the via board as a
>> master backend and use a slave backend for recordings, but have the
>> recordings saved to the master backend.. that just leaves the question
>> of can you have a master backend with no tuners or can you setup a
>> virtual tuner that does nothing?
>>
>
> Maybe this is the anwser..
>
> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/333588?search_string=virtual%20tuner;#333588
>
> guess I should have a play...

See what I posted in the post above:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/299246?search_string=dummy%20tuner;#299246
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guillaume.ml at gmail

Jun 28, 2008, 1:56 PM

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Steve Daniels
> <steve.p.daniels[at]googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
>>
>> I believe this to be incorrect.
>
>
> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect to AND
> has to have at least one tuner.
>
> Kevin

This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works like a
charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue and I
can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It also
runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.

Guillaume
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Jun 28, 2008, 2:03 PM

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On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal[at]gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Steve Daniels
>> <steve.p.daniels[at]googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2008/6/26 Phil Bridges <gravityhammer[at]gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I believe this to be incorrect.
>>
>>
>> Sorry. The backend has to be available for the frontend to connect
>> to AND
>> has to have at least one tuner.
>>
>> Kevin
>
> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works like a
> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue and I
> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It also
> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.

It is correct. You are running an unsupported configuration. Just
because it works for you doesn't mean it won't break at some point. :)
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/310919#310919
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lofty69 at gmail

Jul 3, 2008, 11:56 AM

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so... if I set up a myth backend that has a network/dummy tuner and a
slave that has two dvb-t cards, will that work? I won't get any
issues such as incorrect disk space etc?

This would make for an interesting set-up if it works.. MythTV as a
FreeNAS module or a minimyth backend.. that would be cool.

2008/6/30 Johnny Russ <jruss[at]mit.edu>:
>>
>> Really, what's the worst that can happen?
>
> You might miss some TV shows! That's what could happen ;-)
>
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Sep 5, 2008, 3:57 PM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:
>> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works like a
>> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue and I
>> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
>> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It also
>> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.

I was doing this for a while as well, for commercial flagging and
transcoding. No tuners, but the backend process is required to
flag/code. Would be really nifty if those two could stand along
without a backend, but for now, that's what's required.
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myth at dermanouelian

Sep 5, 2008, 6:11 PM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Blammo wrote:

>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:
>>> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works like a
>>> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue
>>> and I
>>> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
>>> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It also
>>> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.

That's an unsupported configuration. I'm happy it's working for you,
but if one day it should stop, you'll have to fix it yourself.

> I was doing this for a while as well, for commercial flagging and
> transcoding. No tuners, but the backend process is required to
> flag/code. Would be really nifty if those two could stand along
> without a backend, but for now, that's what's required.

Your wish has been granted. ;)
You should be running mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend.

-Brad

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Sep 8, 2008, 9:45 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/9/6 Brad DerManouelian <myth[at]dermanouelian.com>:
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Blammo wrote:
>
>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:
>>>> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works like a
>>>> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue
>>>> and I
>>>> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
>>>> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It also
>>>> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.
>
> That's an unsupported configuration. I'm happy it's working for you,
> but if one day it should stop, you'll have to fix it yourself.

I don't mean to sound like an arse, but I'm quite confused. What
exactly would depend on the master-backend having a tuner? Isn't a
master backend with a busy tuner and a slave backend with a free tuner
is the same a master backend with a free tuner resource wise?

[Yes I know, not supported, tested, or anything like that..]

>
>> I was doing this for a while as well, for commercial flagging and
>> transcoding. No tuners, but the backend process is required to
>> flag/code. Would be really nifty if those two could stand along
>> without a backend, but for now, that's what's required.
>
>
> Your wish has been granted. ;)
> You should be running mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend.
>
> -Brad

Steve "Just Curious" Daniels
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Sep 8, 2008, 10:22 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:

> 2008/9/6 Brad DerManouelian <myth[at]dermanouelian.com>:
>> On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Blammo wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:
>>>>> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works
>>>>> like a
>>>>> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue
>>>>> and I
>>>>> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
>>>>> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It
>>>>> also
>>>>> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.
>>
>> That's an unsupported configuration. I'm happy it's working for you,
>> but if one day it should stop, you'll have to fix it yourself.
>
> I don't mean to sound like an arse, but I'm quite confused. What
> exactly would depend on the master-backend having a tuner? Isn't a
> master backend with a busy tuner and a slave backend with a free tuner
> is the same a master backend with a free tuner resource wise?
>
> [Yes I know, not supported, tested, or anything like that..]

The backend goes through a initialization step where it loads capture
card information, sets them to their starting channels and makes sure
the cards are working (as much as it can check that. It not-so-
gracefully fails these things when there is no capture card defined
and throws errors in the log. It might be easy for someone who would
really like this configuration to write code to support it, but it
seems that everyone who writes the code just decides to not run the
backend instead since there's no reason to run it if you don't have a
capture card.

I'm not claiming to know all he specifics of how the backend code
looks. This is just what I have gathered from looking at my own logs
and errors when I've used a database without any capture card
configuration, etc...

-Brad

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Sep 9, 2008, 7:34 AM

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Re: MythTV using NAS (on a via ) using Gigabit ethernet. [In reply to]

2008/9/8 Brad DerManouelian <myth[at]dermanouelian.com>:
> On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Steve Daniels wrote:
>
>> 2008/9/6 Brad DerManouelian <myth[at]dermanouelian.com>:
>>> On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Blammo wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Guillaume Membr� wrote:
>>>>>> This is incorrect : I have a MB without any tuner and I works
>>>>>> like a
>>>>>> charm. My slave wakes up and shutdown it self without any issue
>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> can connect with my separate frontend without having the slave on.
>>>>>> My MB is running on a via C2 at 500 Mhz with 256 Mo of ram. It
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> runs nfs, mysql, mediatomb and samba without using swap.
>>>
>>> That's an unsupported configuration. I'm happy it's working for you,
>>> but if one day it should stop, you'll have to fix it yourself.
>>
>> I don't mean to sound like an arse, but I'm quite confused. What
>> exactly would depend on the master-backend having a tuner? Isn't a
>> master backend with a busy tuner and a slave backend with a free tuner
>> is the same a master backend with a free tuner resource wise?
>>
>> [Yes I know, not supported, tested, or anything like that..]
>
> The backend goes through a initialization step where it loads capture
> card information, sets them to their starting channels and makes sure
> the cards are working (as much as it can check that. It not-so-
> gracefully fails these things when there is no capture card defined
> and throws errors in the log. It might be easy for someone who would
> really like this configuration to write code to support it, but it
> seems that everyone who writes the code just decides to not run the
> backend instead since there's no reason to run it if you don't have a
> capture card.
>
> I'm not claiming to know all he specifics of how the backend code
> looks. This is just what I have gathered from looking at my own logs
> and errors when I've used a database without any capture card
> configuration, etc...
>
> -Brad
>

Thanks for that Brad :-)
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