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May 26, 2008, 12:06 PM

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New MythTV IR Hardware going Beta

Hi MythTV List,

I have a new MythTV transceiver coming out soon, the CommandIR II, and
am looking for some testers.

The CommandIR Mini become popular for channel changing with MythTV
since it can control up to 4 devices. It's a Linux-only product.

Briefly, the new one:
- Can change 4 set-top box channels at the same time (parallel
pipelining with LIRC)
- Has a bunch of user-programmable indicator LEDs - I'm working on
MythTV scripts to blink a light when certain show(s) are ready for
watching, or blink all red if MythBackend isn't running, etc
- Has an internal remote sensor, supports Hauppauge remote sensors
externally now too

Dev's can get free hardware (email me), otherwise the betas cost a
little more than the regular CommandIR Mini. We're trying to keep the
cost down but our production runs are way shorter than the stuff at Best
Buy.

The betas will be shipping this Thursday and next Thursday.

The links:
http://www.commandir.com/content/view/29/43/ - Beta test overview
http://www.commandir.com/content/view/23/44/ - Developers

Thanks!

Matthew
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www.commandir.com


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May 27, 2008, 7:37 AM

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Re: New MythTV IR Hardware going Beta [In reply to]

Matthew,

Does your device generate its own IR carrier frequency in hardware,
or does it rely on LIRC to do it in software?
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May 27, 2008, 7:58 AM

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Re: New MythTV IR Hardware going Beta [In reply to]

> Matthew,
>
> Does your device generate its own IR carrier frequency in hardware,
> or does it rely on LIRC to do it in software?

Hi Dan,

The carriers are hardware generated. The new one actually has 4
separate carrier generators (1 for each of the 4 transmitters) so
differently modulated devices can be controlled at the same time.

The CommandIR Mini does it in hardware too, but only transmits 1 actual
signal at a time (multiplexed transmitters).

LIRC just supplies the signal timings + carrier frequency data to be
transmitted, and we supply the raw remote signal timings back to LIRC
for decoding.

Matthew
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May 27, 2008, 1:36 PM

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Re: New MythTV IR Hardware going Beta [In reply to]

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Matthew Bodkin <lists [at] innovationone> wrote:
>> Matthew,
>>
>> Does your device generate its own IR carrier frequency in hardware,
>> or does it rely on LIRC to do it in software?

> The carriers are hardware generated. The new one actually has 4
> separate carrier generators (1 for each of the 4 transmitters) so
> differently modulated devices can be controlled at the same time.

Because I'm fairly ignorant about IR/lirc, but curious...

Why does this matter and how would this help me over an lirc generated
carrier frequency? (If I'm even using the correct terminology.) Can
you explain it in somewhat non-technical end user terms?

Why go with CommandIR over a serial ir blaster, other than the 3
additional blasters?

-Pete
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May 27, 2008, 2:43 PM

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Re: New MythTV IR Hardware going Beta [In reply to]

On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 16:36 -0400, Peter A. Daly wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Matthew Bodkin <lists [at] innovationone> wrote:
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> Does your device generate its own IR carrier frequency in hardware,
> >> or does it rely on LIRC to do it in software?
>
> > The carriers are hardware generated. The new one actually has 4
> > separate carrier generators (1 for each of the 4 transmitters) so
> > differently modulated devices can be controlled at the same time.
>
> Because I'm fairly ignorant about IR/lirc, but curious...

Hi Pete,

No problem!

> Why does this matter and how would this help me over an lirc generated
> carrier frequency? (If I'm even using the correct terminology.) Can
> you explain it in somewhat non-technical end user terms?

It's somewhat analogous to WinModems vs USRobotics back in the day -
"soft" modems vs "hardware"-implemented communications. WinModems were
less/cheaper hardware, but required alot more CPU clocks to run; USR's
performed rock-solidly. Same thing here.

Outsourcing the signal generation (signal timing & carrier) to hardware
ensures it's 100% accurate every time. Unlike modems, there's no
feedback to "retry" the command (you'll miss the recording or record the
wrong show). Set-top boxes are the 'hardest' because they have a higher
carrier frequency (more cycles/millisecond=more sensitive to CPU delays)

If you have a system that works great with a serial blaster, then great;
serial reliability can depend on a bunch of hardware/software things.
Some people have no problems while some people think its their config
setup that's not right when they don't work. The hardware-based stuff
consistently works.

> Why go with CommandIR over a serial ir blaster, other than the 3
> additional blasters?

- Reliability (see above)
- Consistency (see above)
- Actually, 4 CommandIRs can be used together for up to 16 'blasters'
- Configuring multiple blasters isn't as easy as just plugging them in
(multiple LIRC instances are a huge pain, impossible for newbies)
- Most people have a limit number of serial ports, sometimes none
- CommandIR combines the blaster(s) and a receiver, so again 1 LIRC
instance for everything. Many USB receivers are tied to 1 remote too.
- You'd be surprised how many people like having a blue light to aim
remotes at for their SO or family
- And the new CommandIR2 stuff; programmable LEDs, parallel control,
future RF RX+TX, etc; if enough people are interested in remote-wake
from any remote, that might get into a future edition too.
- Commercial integrators like CommandIR too; selling a $600++ box
without supporting multiple-devices isn't competitive.

In my experience over the past few years, as more and more people get
their first Linux experience with a MythTV distro they want something
that will work reliably, doesn't require days/weekends to setup, and
that can grow with their system.

So there's markets for both serial blasters and CommandIR for sure.
Ever tried 2+ WinModems in the same box? :)

Matthew
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www.commandir.com


> -Pete
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