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robert.mcnamara at gmail

Feb 29, 2008, 8:04 AM

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>
> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:43:01 -0600
> From: "Mitch Gore" <mitchell.gore [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for
> those starved for it)
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
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>
> Does any one know does the HD PVR mux in the digital audio via coax or
> optical? It would really suck to have great video but have to use analog
> stereo audio.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell

The information I got was stereo RCA is *one* of the input options, but
there are "two more beyond that, and your first two guesses are right." So
I think Optical and Coaxial are there. Plus, on another occasion I got an
admission that there is also optical. ;)

Robert

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Feb 29, 2008, 8:13 AM

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On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Jacob Steenhagen wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact
> > wrote:
> On 02/28/2008 04:07 PM, Josh White wrote:
> > Fair enough, but it's hard to solve a problem that isn't apparent
> to the one
> > causing it. In Gmail, the "quoted text" is generally hidden, and
> all you
> > have is what's new from the new post. The previous post is shown
> above,
> > since it's the last message, so regardless of whether someone top
> posts or
> > not, it looks fine to me.
>
> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail
> works... ;)
>
> Speak for yourself, I switched to the Google standard a few months
> back. It was easier than continuing to support an email server
> running on a DSL connection :).
>
> But I do try to still realize when I'm posting to a mailing list and
> trim appropriately.

I run my own mail server for most stuff, but have gmail for some
stuff, too. I just use gmail as another POP account so I can use the
mail client *I* choose. I don't think I've ever used the gmail client
since I initially set up the account. I encourage everyone to do the
same. :)

ron at ronfrazier

Feb 29, 2008, 8:21 AM

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> > Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
> > Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>
> Really, that's interesting are Google trying to change the way e-mail
> works? That smacks of the sort of thing
> MS allegedly got up to...

It smacks of something alright, but that something is BS.

There is no "new standard". They aren't changing anything about the
way email works. The email is compatible with other systems. It's able
to pop from other accounts, and you can login to gmail with both pop
and imap clients. In my experience, it works perfectly with
thunderbird. The only thing that I've found in anyway non standard is
the fact that gmail uses labels rather than folders. However, most
people I know find labels to be more powerful (with the exception of
not being able to nest labels). And labels can be mapped transparently
to IMAP folders, so if you don't want to use the web interface (which
I find to be incredibly user friendly) everything will be just fine in
thunderbird.

There has been some (IMHO ridiculous) backlash from the tech community
against google. People are suddenly treating google like microsoft for
very little reason. Yeah, they've made a few bad decisions, but what
company hasn't. Overall, I still find them to be one of the most
responsible and most trustable companies out there. I think people are
afraid of what they *could* become rather than what they have become.
I believe this is what the post was about, and I personally wouldn't
pay much attention to it. If you are happy with gmail and google (as I
am) then pay little attention to those sort of comments.

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Feb 29, 2008, 9:17 AM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

On 2/29/08, Steve Smith <st3v3.sm1th [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> Personally, I really like the way the Gmail web client works,
> especially for mailing lists like this one. Its threading abilities
> are really very good.

I like it in terms of it being faster than any other web-based e-mail
I'd used before (admittedly not many), but I find the threading
capabilities severely lacking. It threads based on Subject, rather
than on the message header which is intended for threading. And I find
the flat layout of conversations can be very difficult to follow the
structure when there are various sub-threads/discussions going on. I
much prefer the tree-like layout of Sylpheed, but I dislike the
performance of Sylpheed on large mail folders. And not being able to
access it "from anywhere."

It's also annoying not being able to view messages (in GMail) with a
fixed-width font.

But we're getting a fair bit off-topic.... :)

--
aaron

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bit of badger-sputumly inconsequential trivia you will assail me with next."
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Feb 29, 2008, 9:20 AM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

On Friday 29 February 2008 11:13:55 am Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Jacob Steenhagen wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Michael T. Dean
> > <mtdean [at] thirdcontact
> >
> > Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched
> > to Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail
> > works... ;)
> >
> > Speak for yourself, I switched to the Google standard a few months
> > back. It was easier than continuing to support an email server
> > running on a DSL connection :).
> >
> > But I do try to still realize when I'm posting to a mailing list
> > and trim appropriately.
>
> I run my own mail server for most stuff, but have gmail for some
> stuff, too. I just use gmail as another POP account so I can use the
> mail client *I* choose. I don't think I've ever used the gmail client
> since I initially set up the account. I encourage everyone to do the
> same. :)

I have google forward to my home mail client. This makes it handy when
my home server goes offline, I can still see the missed messages from
the google client's Trash folder.
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Feb 29, 2008, 9:47 AM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:

>
> I have google forward to my home mail client. This makes it handy
> when
> my home server goes offline, I can still see the missed messages from
> the google client's Trash folder.

One nice thing about Google is that you do not have to change your
email address when you change ISPs. The ISPs love to give you a "free"
email account in an attempt to lock you in to their "service".

It also provides no clue as to your location, if perhaps you want to
keep that confidential for some reason.

They provide a fair amount of storage, which is presumably pretty well
backed up.

You have to be careful with outside services in addition to your own.
I set up my server to forward some stuff to my Blackberry account the
other day, forgetting I had set up Blackberry to forward to my server.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you the result.

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Feb 29, 2008, 9:54 AM

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> One nice thing about Google is that you do not have to change your
> email address when you change ISPs. The ISPs love to give you a "free"
> email account in an attempt to lock you in to their "service".
You're locked to google instead - how is that any better?

Quite apart from any security/privacy concerns that you may have - I
am more likely to shift to a different search engine than I am to
change ISPs.

----

Of course, it's all irrelevant to me since I have my own domain(s) and
therefore can move to a different ISP anyway. (The fact I've got my
own domain is pretty obvious from the email address this is sent from,
I know).

Graham
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Feb 29, 2008, 10:07 AM

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On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Graham Wood wrote:

>
>> One nice thing about Google is that you do not have to change your
>> email address when you change ISPs. The ISPs love to give you a
>> "free"
>> email account in an attempt to lock you in to their "service".
> You're locked to google instead - how is that any better?

You are not paying Google any money, nor are you locked into any fixed-
period "contract". You are not limited to only certain geographical
areas.
>
> Quite apart from any security/privacy concerns that you may have - I
> am more likely to shift to a different search engine than I am to
> change ISPs.
> ----
>
> Of course, it's all irrelevant to me since I have my own domain(s) and
> therefore can move to a different ISP anyway. (The fact I've got my
> own domain is pretty obvious from the email address this is sent from,
> I know).

Likewise, obviously.

But running your own mail server in today's environment was compared
recently to "trying to run a lemonade stand in a war zone". It's not
what it was 20 years ago, when the internet was a far friendlier place.

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Feb 29, 2008, 10:08 AM

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On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Graham Wood wrote:

>
>> One nice thing about Google is that you do not have to change your
>> email address when you change ISPs. The ISPs love to give you a
>> "free"
>> email account in an attempt to lock you in to their "service".
> You're locked to google instead - how is that any better?

You don't have to pay google. That's how it's better. My roommate
still pays $9.95/month for his earthlink account because he doesn't
believe he can ever give up that email address he has been using for
years and years. I run my own servers and have my own domains so I
don't have to worry about that sort of thing, but it's the same reason
so many people still pay AOL as well as their cable provider for
internet access. This is the reason the FCC ruled that you are allowed
to keep your telephone number when you change providers.
Unfortunately, that's not really possible with email addresses.

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Feb 29, 2008, 10:13 AM

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>
> I looked into moving to Google to avoid the hassle of running a mail
> server. While looking at my Google mail Sprintlink (my ISP's
> connection to the world) went down.
>
> No problem, I thought. I have a copy going to a backup site.
> Unfortunately that was Apple's mail server, also on the west coast,
> and also unreachable.
>
> Some things should not be remoted to a thousand miles away.
>

Wait, so I shouldn't use gmail because it requires a connection to the
internet to send and receive email? If you want offline access to your
email, a local POP client would surely suffice, no?

-chris

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Feb 29, 2008, 10:19 AM

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> (The fact I've got my
> own domain is pretty obvious from the email address this is sent from,
> I know).
>
> Graham
>

Actually, gmail reports the message as being from "Graham Wood." The email
address is not shown.

-chris

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Feb 29, 2008, 10:24 AM

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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Michael T. Dean
<mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
> On 02/28/2008 04:18 PM, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> > Robert McNamara <robert.mcnamara [at] gmail> says:
> >
> >> For those who can't wait for any little bit of info, here's a frame
> >> dump from a HD PVR capture @ 1920x1080 and 9 Mbit-ish.
> >>
> >> http://www.fecitfacta.com/00000001.jpg
> >>
> >> I think it looks excellent.
> >>
> > Agreed. A 9Mbps PBS 1080i stream (4GB/hour) is surely simpler to
> > process than a 19.2Mbps 1080i stream (7.5-8GB/hour), however. Despite
> > the stated 25Mbps limit of the hardware encoder, I certainly look
> > forward to future examples at higher bitrates.
>
> I look forward to the day when more broadcasters actually use higher
> bitrates... Here, only CW and NBC use such a high bitrate.
>
> Mike

Doesn't CBS broadcast in 1080i too? I thought only Fox and ABC used 720p?

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Feb 29, 2008, 10:48 AM

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On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Matt S. wrote:

> Doesn't CBS broadcast in 1080i too? I thought only Fox and ABC used
> 720p?

Is it time for another "1080i vs. 720p - which is better" debate
already? ;)
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Feb 29, 2008, 11:40 AM

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>
> > I look forward to the day when more broadcasters actually use higher
> > bitrates... Here, only CW and NBC use such a high bitrate.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Doesn't CBS broadcast in 1080i too? I thought only Fox and ABC used 720p?
>

Bitrate, not resolution. For example, here at WCJB-TV in sunny Gainesville,
Florida, we use our 19.2 Mbits to broadcast 2 program streams. One is ABC,
which is broadcast at 720p , and one is the CW, which is broadcast in a 480i
format.

Before these signals leave the building, they are joined together in a muxer
- a fancy computer that takes one HD-SDI video signal, one SDI video signal,
and puts out a single SMPTE 310 signal, which is a fancy name for baseband
ATSC, I believe.

Anyhow, the muxer tries to squeeze as much video quality into the 19.2 Mbits
as it can, and it dynamically reapportions bandwidth between the 2 program
streams. When all is said and done, the CW usually ends up with about 5
Mbits and ABC gets about 12.5 Mbits. I honestly do not know what happens
to the other 1,700,000 bits per second.

The end result is that the CW looks quite good, an ABC does not. Our
neighbors at WUFT, the University of Florida PBS station, do things a little
differently. They have 3 program streams, one which is usually 1080i and
two standard def. The give their HD channel about 14 Mbit and squeeze their
SD channels into about 2 Mbit apiece.

The half-wits at WOGX (FOX out of Ocala) use their 19.2 Mbits to broadcast
an HD and an SD version of the *same thing*. I'm sure the many people stuck
with an SDTV and a digital tuner that doesn't downscale appreciate this.

-chris

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Feb 29, 2008, 11:55 AM

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On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Chris Ribe <chrisribe [at] gmail> wrote:
[SNIP]
> I'm sure the many people stuck
> with an SDTV and a digital tuner that doesn't downscale appreciate this.
>
> -chris

All 3 of them...

-Chad
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Feb 29, 2008, 3:44 PM

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> > Maybe, maybe not. I certainly would not suggest putting nVidia cards
> > into office type workstations that needed only "business class"
> > graphics, or servers being managed by serial ports. That would simply
> > not make economic sense.

One reason that we put nVidia cards into all the workstations that need
them.... A common driver. And that makes a lot of economic sense to us, with
only 1 driver to support across our workstation images.

G

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Feb 29, 2008, 3:54 PM

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On Feb 29, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Graham Mitchell wrote:

>>> Maybe, maybe not. I certainly would not suggest putting nVidia
>>> cards
>>> into office type workstations that needed only "business class"
>>> graphics, or servers being managed by serial ports. That would
>>> simply
>>> not make economic sense.
>
>
> One reason that we put nVidia cards into all the workstations that
> need
> them.... A common driver. And that makes a lot of economic sense to
> us, with
> only 1 driver to support across our workstation images.

That makes sense, and I am starting to see some mobos with nVidia
graphics. I just can't see putting 6600s or 7800s in machines that
primarily do word processing just so people can play games in their
"spare" time :-)

I'm not saying that's your situation though. The more you can
standardize an installation across all your machines the better.

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Mar 1, 2008, 4:57 AM

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Steve Smith wrote:
> On 29/02/2008, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
>> On 02/28/2008 04:07 PM, Josh White wrote:
>>> Fair enough, but it's hard to solve a problem that isn't apparent to
the one
>>> causing it. In Gmail, the "quoted text" is generally hidden, and all you
>>> have is what's new from the new post. The previous post is shown above,
>>> since it's the last message, so regardless of whether someone top
posts or
>>> not, it looks fine to me.
>> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
>> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>>
>> Mike
>
> Really, that's interesting are Google trying to change the way e-mail
> works? That smacks of the sort of thing
> MS allegedly got up to... (I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, are
> Google really trying to fiddle with email? If so I'd definetely be
> against it)
> Personally, I really like the way the Gmail web client works,
> especially for mailing lists like this one. Its threading abilities
> are really very good.
> Took a bit of getting used to at first, but now I really miss Gmail's
> threading when I use other email clients.
> Anyway this is waaaaaaaay OT.
> Cheers
>
> Steve

Thunderbird is the answer. Gmail has been doing IMAP for a while so I
check this email (a gmail account) via thunderbird. Cool thing is you
can configure where it puts the cursor, text / html, and enigmail (pgp
signing) for the security minded people.

Eric
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Mar 1, 2008, 5:06 AM

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John Drescher wrote:
>> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
>> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>>
> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top posts
> and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>
> John
There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network during
the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody top posts
because that's what everybody knows. While bottom posting makes more
sense, try explaining that to your boss (or his/her boss).

FWIW
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Mar 1, 2008, 7:01 AM

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Eric Martin wrote:
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> John Drescher wrote:
>>> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
>>> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>>>
>> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
>> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top posts
>> and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>>
>> John
> There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network during
> the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody top posts
> because that's what everybody knows. While bottom posting makes more
> sense, try explaining that to your boss (or his/her boss).
>
Is this another example of how a large software corporation (possibly based in
Redmond, WA) has managed to distort standards which have existed in the network
community since forever?

Mike Perkins

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Mar 1, 2008, 8:38 AM

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Mike Perkins wrote:
> Eric Martin wrote:
>
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>>
>> John Drescher wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
>>>> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
>>> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top posts
>>> and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network during
>> the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody top posts
>> because that's what everybody knows. While bottom posting makes more
>> sense, try explaining that to your boss (or his/her boss).
>>
>>
> Is this another example of how a large software corporation (possibly based in
> Redmond, WA) has managed to distort standards which have existed in the network
> community since forever?
>
> Mike Perkins
>
Quite possible, but I have another idea. A lot of the people who use
M$ crap don't know any better. It's like AOL; aol catered to the
masses and involved the masses. After that the irc channels were flooed
w/people who didn't understand. This is the same thing and
unfortunately the unwashed masses won.

Eric
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Mar 1, 2008, 10:15 AM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

eric wrote:
> Mike Perkins wrote:
>> Eric Martin wrote:
>>> John Drescher wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah. We on this list are still using e-mail. We haven't switched to
>>>>> Google's new "standard" that tries to change the way e-mail works... ;)
>>>>>
>>>> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
>>>> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top posts
>>>> and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>>>>
>>> There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network during
>>> the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody top posts
>>> because that's what everybody knows. While bottom posting makes more
>>> sense, try explaining that to your boss (or his/her boss).
>>>
>>>
>> Is this another example of how a large software corporation (possibly based in
>> Redmond, WA) has managed to distort standards which have existed in the network
>> community since forever?
>>
> Quite possible, but I have another idea. A lot of the people who use
> M$ crap don't know any better. It's like AOL; aol catered to the
> masses and involved the masses. After that the irc channels were flooed
> w/people who didn't understand. This is the same thing and
> unfortunately the unwashed masses won.
>
That's implicit in what I said. It seems m$ never bothered to look around and
see what already existed before they 'innovated' their pile of poo. The only
things they ever got right were M80 and the earlier versions of Visual Studio.
And the latter they stole from Borland.

Mike Perkins
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gull at gull

Mar 1, 2008, 9:51 PM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

Eric Martin wrote:
> John Drescher wrote:
>> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
>> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top posts
>> and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>>
> There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network during
> the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody top posts
> because that's what everybody knows.

I don't really understand what people mean when they say Outlook makes
it hard to bottom post. I never had any problems positioning the cursor
at the bottom and they typing, which is what I've had to do in every
email client I've used.

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Mar 1, 2008, 10:08 PM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> Eric Martin wrote:
>> John Drescher wrote:
>>> Its a lot better than how Outlook works. When I use that at work the
>>> software makes it difficult to bottom post and so every one top
>>> posts and I get people confused when I bottom post...
>>>
>> There's a place for each. I support a primarily windows network
>> during the day, and of course we use exchange / outlook. Everybody
>> top posts because that's what everybody knows.
>
> I don't really understand what people mean when they say Outlook
> makes it hard to bottom post. I never had any problems positioning
> the cursor at the bottom and they typing, which is what I've had to
> do in every email client I've used.

I use outlook and bottom post as well. I agree it's a pain though because
if you aren't like me, the header that outlook puts in, as well as the reply
method (no markers about who has written before), sucks.

I use "Quotefix" with my outlook to correctly format the emails I send to
various mailing lists, such as this one. It's a brilliant little program
that acts more like a macro than a program. I just need to use plain text
email (which I prefer) and when I want to reply to an email I press ctrl+R
to activate the quotefix program. It correctly wraps the text, inserts
reply markers, and fixes the header. It's the bomb...really.

Brian

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Mar 1, 2008, 11:18 PM

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Re: Hauppauge HD PVR (A bit more info for those starved for it) [In reply to]

> I don't really understand what people mean when they say Outlook makes
> it hard to bottom post. I never had any problems positioning the cursor
> at the bottom and they typing, which is what I've had to do in every
> email client I've used.
>
The problem (besides the backlash from other Outlook users for bottom
posting) is in the html / rich text sure you can position it at the
bottom easy but there is no clear indication who wrote what.

John
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