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ylee at pobox

Feb 18, 2008, 12:46 AM

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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

Bob Sully <rcs [at] malibyte> says:
> Athlon-64 Turion "4000+" 2.4GHz overclocked to 2.6

I dont have a good sense for how to compare your Athlon64 2.6GHz and
my Pentium 4 3.0GHz horsepowerwise, but I think your processor is a
wee bit faster than mine.

> I downloaded a bunch of those H.264 videos from the Apple site that
> Yeechang mentioned, and tried playing them using mplayer within
> Myth. I figured that, based on the above, the results would be
> awful, using this single-core CPU...

Not necessarily; besides the possble horsepower advantage, I wrote
that on my system

mplayer can play all the clips, properly handles the audio, and
seeks better, but of course doesn't try to deinterlace by default;
using -vf yadif=1 results in a flickering display and frame drops.

> I used this setting to play these:
> mplayer -fs -quiet -ao alsa:device=spdif -channels 6 %s
>
> I almost fell out of my chair, because they all played beautifully.

To paraphrase Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend, it depends on the
definition of "beautifully." As quoted above, my system isn't quite
fast enough to play the 1080p h.264 clips with deinterlacing (with
Yadif; if there's a way to enable Bob deinterlacing without
XvMC--which I can't get working--in my copy of mplayer I haven't
figured it out yet) in mplayer. I know not everyone counts
deinterlacing and frame doubling as basic necessities of life but,
after more than two years of enjoying 1080i content turned by Bob into
smooth 1080p 60Hz output, I do.

Besides, this is all a moot point; these not-quite-satisfactory-to-me
results are with mplayer and not the Myth internal player, which I
noted can't even play a lot of the clips.

This leads to something the conclusion of my original message was
driving at. Think about the thousands upon thousands of messages on
mythtv-users by people lamenting their inability to record
high-definition content off their satellite or cable feeds. Now, the
Holy Grail they've all waited for is here. Within a very short period
of time, quite possibly within three months, you and many others are
going to be purchasing the Hauppauge device for our MythTV setups and
said device is going to be producing native h.264 output.

In other words, as soon as within three months *the norm for
high-definition video content within MythTV is going to be
h.264*. Until now that's only been the case for a handful of
Englishmen within a few miles of an experimental BBC transmitter in
London. Now it'll be the entire MythTV-using world. And, suddenly, a
very large chunk of that world is going to discover that frontends
that have been happily playing 1080i over-the-air or FireWire-captured
ATSC MPEG-2 aren't going to be enough for the new age.

Me, I'm waiting on Kevin Hulse's promised report on how his
Linux-running Intel-based Mac mini frontends fare with the Apple 1080p
h.264 clips. If they can indeed, as he's claimed, satisfactorily play
them (and, hopefully, with Yadif, Bob, or Greedy frame-doubling
deinterlacers), I'll buy two of them to pave the way for the Hauppauge
device.

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mythtv at grumpydevil

Feb 18, 2008, 1:14 AM

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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

Yeechang Lee wrote:
> Bob Sully <rcs [at] malibyte> says:
>
>> Athlon-64 Turion "4000+" 2.4GHz overclocked to 2.6
>>
>
>
[snip]
> In other words, as soon as within three months *the norm for
> high-definition video content within MythTV is going to be
> h.264*. Until now that's only been the case for a handful of
> Englishmen within a few miles of an experimental BBC transmitter in
> London. Now it'll be the entire MythTV-using world. And, suddenly, a
> very large chunk of that world is going to discover that frontends
> that have been happily playing 1080i over-the-air or FireWire-captured
> ATSC MPEG-2 aren't going to be enough for the new age.
>
>
Urgh... BBC HD is also on SAT, and i for one have been receiving it for
many months....

More to the point, the cable co's here in NL are using h.264 on HD
transmissions, which we capture and play in MythTv :)

And yes, i for one am using dual-core CPUs to handle that....

> Me, I'm waiting on Kevin Hulse's promised report on how his
> Linux-running Intel-based Mac mini frontends fare with the Apple 1080p
> h.264 clips. If they can indeed, as he's claimed, satisfactorily play
> them (and, hopefully, with Yadif, Bob, or Greedy frame-doubling
> deinterlacers), I'll buy two of them to pave the way for the Hauppauge
> device.
>
>

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ron at ronfrazier

Feb 18, 2008, 5:43 AM

Post #53 of 64 (1093 views)
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OK, with all this discussion of h264 content, I decided that since
I've never tried playing it back I'd give it a shot. I downloaded some
of the h264 trailers. They play back perfectly fine for me in mplayer.
However, I saw someone mention playing them in the internal play. When
I changed the file type setup to tell it to use the internal play, I
just get a black screen for a couple seconds and then it returns to
the video list. Any idea what other codec I'd need (again...they play
fine in mplayer), or if I need a compile flag?

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dbadia at gmail

Feb 18, 2008, 5:55 AM

Post #54 of 64 (1099 views)
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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

I'd like to try this for myself, but this link is now dead:
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p

Anyone have a new one?
I can't find any way to download the trailers on apples site without using
the quicktime plugin

Dave


abostock at gmail

Feb 18, 2008, 6:10 AM

Post #55 of 64 (1100 views)
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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

On 18/02/2008, Ronald Frazier <ron [at] ronfrazier> wrote:
>
> OK, with all this discussion of h264 content, I decided that since
> I've never tried playing it back I'd give it a shot. I downloaded some
> of the h264 trailers. They play back perfectly fine for me in mplayer.
> However, I saw someone mention playing them in the internal play. When
> I changed the file type setup to tell it to use the internal play, I
> just get a black screen for a couple seconds and then it returns to
> the video list. Any idea what other codec I'd need (again...they play
> fine in mplayer), or if I need a compile flag?
>
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It's a know problem with the Internal player and H.264 content. I raised a
bug ticket for it a while back...
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4419

Ash


gravityhammer at gmail

Feb 18, 2008, 6:30 AM

Post #56 of 64 (1105 views)
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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

On Feb 18, 2008 8:55 AM, Dave Badia <dbadia [at] gmail> wrote:
> I'd like to try this for myself, but this link is now dead:
>
> http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p
>
> Anyone have a new one?
> I can't find any way to download the trailers on apples site without using
> the quicktime plugin
>
> Dave

You have to add the file name after that; for instance:

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p/bbc-blue_m1080p.mov
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ylee at pobox

Feb 18, 2008, 10:26 AM

Post #57 of 64 (1091 views)
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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

Ronald Frazier <ron [at] ronfrazier> says:
> However, I saw someone mention playing them in the internal play. When
> I changed the file type setup to tell it to use the internal play, I
> just get a black screen for a couple seconds and then it returns to
> the video list. Any idea what other codec I'd need (again...they play
> fine in mplayer), or if I need a compile flag?

Here's my experience with playing the Apple h.264 clips in the
Internal player[1] with a recent SVN:

* Video plays, but no audio. Adding --enable-libfaac and/or
--enable-libfaad to MythTV's ./configure permits audio to
function. Example: bbc_cctv.
* Video plays, but no audio. Haven't yet found a configure flag that
permits audio to work. Example: bbc_japan.
* MythVideo returns to the file view after a few seconds of
black. Discussed in the already-mentioned ticket #4419. Example:
barberofseville.

[1] Aside from the performance issues; I'm just talking about
compatibility here.

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memoryguy at gmail

Feb 18, 2008, 12:11 PM

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On Feb 18, 2008 1:26 PM, Yeechang Lee <ylee [at] pobox> wrote:
>
> Here's my experience with playing the Apple h.264 clips in the
> Internal player[1] with a recent SVN:
>
> * Video plays, but no audio. Adding --enable-libfaac and/or
> --enable-libfaad to MythTV's ./configure permits audio to
> function. Example: bbc_cctv.
> * Video plays, but no audio. Haven't yet found a configure flag that
> permits audio to work. Example: bbc_japan.

I see similar behaviour ... I can get sound when I play the videos
with MPlayer, but then the video acts as though the file is corrupted.

I haven't been able to get sound in the Internal player though ...
"--enable-libfaad" and "--enable-libfaac" give me errors from
configure... how exactly did you get it to work? :) Maybe I'm missing
some libraries?

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ylee at pobox

Feb 18, 2008, 1:22 PM

Post #59 of 64 (1078 views)
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Re: A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready? [In reply to]

aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail> says:
> I haven't been able to get sound in the Internal player though ...
> "--enable-libfaad" and "--enable-libfaac" give me errors from
> configure... how exactly did you get it to work? :) Maybe I'm missing
> some libraries?

On my Fedora Core 6 system, I have faac, faac-devel, faad2, and
faad2-devel installed.

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rcs at malibyte

Feb 18, 2008, 1:29 PM

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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:55:52 -0500
> From: "Dave Badia" <dbadia [at] gmail>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready?
> To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> Message-ID:
> <8eec84aa0802180555r1f0dbb14xd39057405954a2e0 [at] mail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I'd like to try this for myself, but this link is now dead:
> http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p
>
> Anyone have a new one?
> I can't find any way to download the trailers on apples site without using
> the quicktime plugin
>
> Dave

Dave:

Get the "Download Helper" extension for Firefox. It will allow you to
download those videos from the Apple site (among others).

Bob
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memoryguy at gmail

Feb 19, 2008, 5:25 AM

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On 2/18/08, Yeechang Lee <ylee [at] pobox> wrote:
> aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail> says:
> > I haven't been able to get sound in the Internal player though ...
> > "--enable-libfaad" and "--enable-libfaac" give me errors from
> > configure... how exactly did you get it to work? :) Maybe I'm missing
> > some libraries?
>
> On my Fedora Core 6 system, I have faac, faac-devel, faad2, and
> faad2-devel installed.

Oh, I see... Myth will automagically use these libs if they are present?

*searches* Doh! I don't have them on my Slackware 9.2 system... time
to scour the interwebs... :)

Thanks :)


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hoodlum7 at gmail

Feb 19, 2008, 8:12 AM

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-----------------------
Sent from my Treo(r) smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail>
Date: Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 5:26 am
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready?
To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>

On 2/18/08, Yeechang Lee <ylee [at] pobox> wrote:
> aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail> says:
> > I haven't been able to get sound in the Internal player though ...
> > "--enable-libfaad" and "--enable-libfaac" give me errors from
> > configure... how exactly did you get it to work? :) Maybe I'm missing
> > some libraries?
>
> On my Fedora Core 6 system, I have faac, faac-devel, faad2, and
> faad2-devel installed.

Oh, I see... Myth will automagically use these libs if they are present?

*searches* Doh! I don't have them on my Slackware 9.2 system... time
to scour the interwebs... :)

Thanks :)


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bit of badger-sputumly inconsequential trivia you will assail me with next."
-- Arthur Dent
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hoodlum7 at gmail

Feb 19, 2008, 8:16 AM

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-----------------------
Sent from my Treo(r) smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail>
Date: Tuesday, Feb 19, 2008 5:26 am
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] A paradigm shift is coming. Are you ready?
To: "Discussion about mythtv" <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>

On 2/18/08, Yeechang Lee <ylee [at] pobox> wrote:
>> aaron <memoryguy [at] gmail> says:
>> > I haven't been able to get sound in the Internal player though ...
>> > "--enable-libfaad" and "--enable-libfaac" give me errors from
>> > configure... how exactly did you get it to work? :) Maybe I'm missing
>> > some libraries?
>>
>> On my Fedora Core 6 system, I have faac, faac-devel, faad2, and
>> faad2-devel installed.
>
>Oh, I see... Myth will automagically use these libs if they are present?
>
>*searches* Doh! I don't have them on my Slackware 9.2 system... time
>to scour the interwebs... :)
>
>Thanks :)
>
>
>--
>aaron
>
>"Oh oh oh. I'm incoherent with excitement. Please tell me what fascinating
>bit of badger-sputumly inconsequential trivia you will assail me with next."
> -- Arthur Dent
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dbadia at gmail

Feb 19, 2008, 6:27 PM

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> You have to add the file name after that; for instance:
>
>
> http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p/bbc-blue_m1080p.mov
>
>
Doh. Maybe if I actually read the post.....

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