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starz909 at yahoo

Nov 14, 2007, 12:56 PM

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No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN

OK, so everyone but me is getting subtitles on their
hardware mpeg cards and DVB cards, right? I don't
know the situation with DVB subtitle support, but is
subtitle support with hardware mpeg cards exclusive to
ivtv cards?

I hope it isn't the case that I am being ignored. I
haven't to my knowledge broken any Internet
communication rules, nor have I been pressuring the
community to answer my questions - even though a
number of them remain unanswered. Further, all this
off topic conversing just seems to slight those of us
whose questions are not being answered and fill
everyone's mailboxes to the point where important
questions become buried in them.
I just find that certain functions that are broken
in my machine, such as closed captioning, would garner
conversation if more people were experiencing the
problem, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I
suppose then, that only my system is suffering this
problem, and therefore there is something wrong with
it, and I'd very much appreciate anyone's opinions on
what that could be.

I hope I'm not coming off as a 'jerk' demanding
answers to my questions. Mythtv is a terrific program
- one in which a lot of thought has been put into, but
for it to have limited hardware support, or for it to
be broken on my system, is really frustrating. I know
it's still being worked on, and that's why it's called
an SVN branch, but if someone could at least tell me
that they are aware of my problem and that it is
fixable, then I'll be content to wait. But if no-one
knows about the problem, how will it get fixed? I'm
also fully aware that programs like these are built on
a 'volunteer' basis (I am using gentoo, you know).

Thank you everyone who has provided invaluable support
to myself and others who've had problems with their
systems. And thank you for reading this long email.

Sam

> --- Sam Logen <starz909 [at] yahoo> wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Sam Logen <starz909 [at] yahoo>
> > Subject: No closed captioning for any tuner in
> > Mythtv SVN
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > <mythtv-users [at] mythtv>
> >
> > Hi everyone. So, the problem is that I can't see
> > closed captioning when I enable it for either of
> my
> > tuner cards. I'm testing the cards in live tv, I
> > open
> > the menu, select each type of closed captioning,
> but
> > none of them produce any subtitles.
> >
> > I'm using a Dvico FusionHDTV5 RT ATSC tuner card,
> > and
> > an Avermedia M150 hardware encoder card. I can't
> > think of any misconfiguration I might have done.
> > There's so little to configure in mythtv-setup
> with
> > cards like these. Plus, I could get subtitles
> from
> > them in Mythtv 20.2, but not in 21 SVN, which is
> > what
> > I'm using now.
> >
> > Closed captioning is really necessary for my
> setup.
> > There are two hard-of-hearing individuals that
> would
> > really appreciate it if I could get the captioning
> > to
> > work. Could anyone be of assistance? Thanks!
> >
> > Sam
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Nov 14, 2007, 1:19 PM

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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

Sam,

I don't recall if there was a direct response to your earlier query, but
IIRC, in at least *some* recent thread it was established that there
seem to be problems with subtitles (or what in the U.S. is called
closed captions) for a number of users and that this was being
looked into to try and find the cause(s) and solution(s).

In my case, I only have Hauppauge PVR-*50 PCI cards for SD
capture and I have yet to discern what the conditions are that
support successful CC capture in the recordings. Some shows
on some channels using some of the capture cards get full CC
data while other combinations drop numerous bits of the text.

I have not made the effort to pin it down further than to note that
it is not consistently bad on a particular broadcast station or
program from week to week. It may or may not be associated
with one or more of my PVR inputs, but I don't know that at this
point.

Someone else may be able to status where this issue stands, but
at least it's a known issue for more than one of us using at least
0.20.2.

HTH.

Craig.
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danielk at cuymedia

Nov 14, 2007, 1:33 PM

Post #3 of 7 (666 views)
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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 12:56 -0800, Sam Logen wrote:
> OK, so everyone but me is getting subtitles on their
> hardware mpeg cards and DVB cards, right? I don't
> know the situation with DVB subtitle support, but is
> subtitle support with hardware mpeg cards exclusive to
> ivtv cards?

It should work for analog and DVB cards as well. Did you
set the VBI format in mythtv-setup General to something
that makes sense for your location?

What hardware are you using?
There are some analog drivers which do not support VBI.

-- Daniel

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starz909 at yahoo

Nov 14, 2007, 5:00 PM

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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

Thank you Daniel and Craig for getting back to me on
this. On my first email today, I included my hardware
details at the bottom of my email. As for my settings
in the mythtv-setup program, the VBI is set to NTSC
closed captions for my area (California). Just to
clarify, only my ATSC card used to be able to display
VBI closed captioning for HD channels when I ran
Mythtv 20.2. After upgrading to SVN, neither card
could display CC. It seems that Mythtv took one step
forward, and two steps back in its development.

The drivers I am using for the cards are the very
latest Conexant 2388x drivers, including the latest
blackbird driver patches for the hardware mpeg card.

Sam


--- Daniel Kristjansson <danielk [at] cuymedia> wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 12:56 -0800, Sam Logen wrote:
> > OK, so everyone but me is getting subtitles on
> their
> > hardware mpeg cards and DVB cards, right? I don't
> > know the situation with DVB subtitle support, but
> is
> > subtitle support with hardware mpeg cards
> exclusive to
> > ivtv cards?
>
> It should work for analog and DVB cards as well. Did
> you
> set the VBI format in mythtv-setup General to
> something
> that makes sense for your location?
>
> What hardware are you using?
> There are some analog drivers which do not support
> VBI.
>
> -- Daniel
>
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>
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danielk at cuymedia

Nov 14, 2007, 5:35 PM

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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 17:00 -0800, Sam Logen wrote:
> Thank you Daniel and Craig for getting back to me on
> this. On my first email today, I included my hardware
> details at the bottom of my email. As for my settings
> in the mythtv-setup program, the VBI is set to NTSC
> closed captions for my area (California). Just to
> clarify, only my ATSC card used to be able to display
> VBI closed captioning for HD channels when I ran
> Mythtv 20.2. After upgrading to SVN, neither card
> could display CC. It seems that Mythtv took one step
> forward, and two steps back in its development.
>
> The drivers I am using for the cards are the very
> latest Conexant 2388x drivers, including the latest
> blackbird driver patches for the hardware mpeg card.

Hmm, did you upgrade the drivers when you upgraded to SVN?

If so this is a possible culprit. I've never gotten captions
with the Conexant 2388x drivers, so I can't tell you this will
work, but the fact that you had it working is promising.

What you probably want to do is first make sure that the drivers
are working. Do this by reverting to 0.20-fixes and seeing the
captions. If the drivers aren't working, the dvb-v4l mailing list
is the next stop. But assuming this is a MythTV issue, it's
probably something happening in libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp
This URL will give you a revision log of the file:
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp?rev=14762

There have only been 5 changes to that file in that time.
My suggestion would be to test them in this order:
12618 -- makes sure it was working a year ago, if it
wasn't you'll need to start earlier like 9524
if 12618 works try 14444 next
if 14444 works try 14592
if 14592 works try 14762
if 14762 doesn't work it's the probable culprit
if 14592 doesn't work it's the probable culprit
if 14444 doesn't work try 12739
if 12739 works 14444 is the probable culprit
if 12739 doesn't work try 12619
if 12619 works 12739 is the probable culprit
if 12619 doesn't work it's the probable culprit

This way of bisecting the change sets means you only need
to check 1 + ceil(log2 n) of the changes. In this case 4,
which is almost as bad as the 6 you would need to check
otherwise; but if 12618 doesn't work and you have to check
the 20 changes back to 9204, it means you only need to
check 6 revisions rather than 20.

Anyway to check out an old version of MythTV you just do
this: svn co -r REV http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv-REV
replacing REV with the revision you want.

PS Before doing this make sure you have your V4L format set to
"NTSC" and not "ATSC". MythTV used to be more forgiving of this
configuration mistake back in the day. But DTV support in the V4L
drivers has been completely dropped from the V4L drivers since
the V4L-DVB merger and we no longer have that code in SVN as of
about two months ago.

-- Daniel

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starz909 at yahoo

Nov 14, 2007, 7:07 PM

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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

OK, This'll take a while, but I'll get back with the
results when I am done experimenting.

Sam

--- Daniel Kristjansson <danielk [at] cuymedia> wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 17:00 -0800, Sam Logen wrote:
> > Thank you Daniel and Craig for getting back to me
> on
> > this. On my first email today, I included my
> hardware
> > details at the bottom of my email. As for my
> settings
> > in the mythtv-setup program, the VBI is set to
> NTSC
> > closed captions for my area (California). Just to
> > clarify, only my ATSC card used to be able to
> display
> > VBI closed captioning for HD channels when I ran
> > Mythtv 20.2. After upgrading to SVN, neither card
> > could display CC. It seems that Mythtv took one
> step
> > forward, and two steps back in its development.
> >
> > The drivers I am using for the cards are the very
> > latest Conexant 2388x drivers, including the
> latest
> > blackbird driver patches for the hardware mpeg
> card.
>
> Hmm, did you upgrade the drivers when you upgraded
> to SVN?
>
> If so this is a possible culprit. I've never gotten
> captions
> with the Conexant 2388x drivers, so I can't tell you
> this will
> work, but the fact that you had it working is
> promising.
>
> What you probably want to do is first make sure that
> the drivers
> are working. Do this by reverting to 0.20-fixes and
> seeing the
> captions. If the drivers aren't working, the dvb-v4l
> mailing list
> is the next stop. But assuming this is a MythTV
> issue, it's
> probably something happening in
> libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp
> This URL will give you a revision log of the file:
>
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp?rev=14762
>
> There have only been 5 changes to that file in that
> time.
> My suggestion would be to test them in this order:
> 12618 -- makes sure it was working a year ago, if
> it
> wasn't you'll need to start earlier like
> 9524
> if 12618 works try 14444 next
> if 14444 works try 14592
> if 14592 works try 14762
> if 14762 doesn't work it's the probable
> culprit
> if 14592 doesn't work it's the probable culprit
> if 14444 doesn't work try 12739
> if 12739 works 14444 is the probable culprit
> if 12739 doesn't work try 12619
> if 12619 works 12739 is the probable culprit
> if 12619 doesn't work it's the probable
> culprit
>
> This way of bisecting the change sets means you only
> need
> to check 1 + ceil(log2 n) of the changes. In this
> case 4,
> which is almost as bad as the 6 you would need to
> check
> otherwise; but if 12618 doesn't work and you have to
> check
> the 20 changes back to 9204, it means you only need
> to
> check 6 revisions rather than 20.
>
> Anyway to check out an old version of MythTV you
> just do
> this: svn co -r REV
> http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv-REV
> replacing REV with the revision you want.
>
> PS Before doing this make sure you have your V4L
> format set to
> "NTSC" and not "ATSC". MythTV used to be more
> forgiving of this
> configuration mistake back in the day. But DTV
> support in the V4L
> drivers has been completely dropped from the V4L
> drivers since
> the V4L-DVB merger and we no longer have that code
> in SVN as of
> about two months ago.
>
> -- Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>
http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>



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starz909 at yahoo

Nov 17, 2007, 1:55 PM

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Re: No closed captioning for any tuner in Mythtv SVN [In reply to]

Ok, here are my findings. The V4L drivers for my
cards weren't affecting my loss of subtitles for the
DVB card. Neither is the version of MythTV I was
using. A while back I wanted to stop using XVMC for
playback, because it made the OSD really ugly. So I
chose an alternative video decoder, the libmpeg2
decoder - because it was advertised to run better on
some AMD processors. Well I've just heard from
various sources that libmpeg2 doesn't display
captioning. So I think there should be a disclaimer
that says so, if someone wanted to use it.

Switching from libmpeg2 to standard decoding allowed
me to view subtitles on my DVB card for digital and HD
channels.
However, my problem is not over yet. I still can't
get captions to display on any channels served through
the hardware MPEG card (My Avermedia M150). In fact,
this card doesn't appear to be supported at all in
MythTV - in any version. I have to add a 'hack' to
one of MythTV's files to get it to work. I'll add the
hack below if anyone wants to know what it is. So
with the hack patch, I can view programs and change
channel, but I still get no subtitles.

Is there anyone that can help get this card supported
in MythTV? To cap, without the patch, I get a blank
screen and mythfrontend freezes. With the patch, I
can view and change channels, but I can't get closed
captioning to display.

Thank you all,
Sam


Hack patch by Andrew Malota for the Avermedia M150
hardware MPEG card (may be word-wrapped):

------------------PATCH-BEGIN-------------------------
Index: libs/libmythtv/mpegrecorder.cpp
===================================================================
--- libs/libmythtv/mpegrecorder.cpp (revision
14704)
+++ libs/libmythtv/mpegrecorder.cpp (working copy)
@@ -324,7 +324,7 @@

bool MpegRecorder::OpenV4L2DeviceAsInput(void)
{
- chanfd = open(videodevice.ascii(), O_RDWR);
+ chanfd = open(videodevice.ascii(), O_RDWR |
O_NONBLOCK);
if (chanfd < 0)
{
VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, LOC_ERR + "Can't open
video device. " +
ENO);
@@ -447,7 +447,7 @@

SetVBIOptions(chanfd);

- readfd = open(videodevice.ascii(), O_RDWR |
O_NONBLOCK);
+ readfd = chanfd;
if (readfd < 0)
{
VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, LOC_ERR + "Can't open
video device." +
ENO);

-----------------------PATCH-END----------------------


--- Daniel Kristjansson <danielk [at] cuymedia> wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 17:00 -0800, Sam Logen wrote:
> > Thank you Daniel and Craig for getting back to me
> on
> > this. On my first email today, I included my
> hardware
> > details at the bottom of my email. As for my
> settings
> > in the mythtv-setup program, the VBI is set to
> NTSC
> > closed captions for my area (California). Just to
> > clarify, only my ATSC card used to be able to
> display
> > VBI closed captioning for HD channels when I ran
> > Mythtv 20.2. After upgrading to SVN, neither card
> > could display CC. It seems that Mythtv took one
> step
> > forward, and two steps back in its development.
> >
> > The drivers I am using for the cards are the very
> > latest Conexant 2388x drivers, including the
> latest
> > blackbird driver patches for the hardware mpeg
> card.
>
> Hmm, did you upgrade the drivers when you upgraded
> to SVN?
>
> If so this is a possible culprit. I've never gotten
> captions
> with the Conexant 2388x drivers, so I can't tell you
> this will
> work, but the fact that you had it working is
> promising.
>
> What you probably want to do is first make sure that
> the drivers
> are working. Do this by reverting to 0.20-fixes and
> seeing the
> captions. If the drivers aren't working, the dvb-v4l
> mailing list
> is the next stop. But assuming this is a MythTV
> issue, it's
> probably something happening in
> libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp
> This URL will give you a revision log of the file:
>
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/channel.cpp?rev=14762
>
> There have only been 5 changes to that file in that
> time.
> My suggestion would be to test them in this order:
> 12618 -- makes sure it was working a year ago, if
> it
> wasn't you'll need to start earlier like
> 9524
> if 12618 works try 14444 next
> if 14444 works try 14592
> if 14592 works try 14762
> if 14762 doesn't work it's the probable
> culprit
> if 14592 doesn't work it's the probable culprit
> if 14444 doesn't work try 12739
> if 12739 works 14444 is the probable culprit
> if 12739 doesn't work try 12619
> if 12619 works 12739 is the probable culprit
> if 12619 doesn't work it's the probable
> culprit
>
> This way of bisecting the change sets means you only
> need
> to check 1 + ceil(log2 n) of the changes. In this
> case 4,
> which is almost as bad as the 6 you would need to
> check
> otherwise; but if 12618 doesn't work and you have to
> check
> the 20 changes back to 9204, it means you only need
> to
> check 6 revisions rather than 20.
>
> Anyway to check out an old version of MythTV you
> just do
> this: svn co -r REV
> http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv-REV
> replacing REV with the revision you want.
>
> PS Before doing this make sure you have your V4L
> format set to
> "NTSC" and not "ATSC". MythTV used to be more
> forgiving of this
> configuration mistake back in the day. But DTV
> support in the V4L
> drivers has been completely dropped from the V4L
> drivers since
> the V4L-DVB merger and we no longer have that code
> in SVN as of
> about two months ago.
>
> -- Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
>
http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>



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