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rcs at malibyte

Aug 21, 2007, 9:41 PM

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New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...?

Hi all -

I have a working, stable 0.20 install (the latest available rpm version,
which is from SVN at around 13272) on Mandriva 2007.0 x86_64, which was
originally installed from rpm packages and upgraded likewise.

I have registered on the schedulesdirect.org forums (though they're not
ready to take my money yet), and in their FAQ, they're telling everybody
who wants a version which will work with the new service to update to the
latest SVN version. I can do this if push comes to shove, but I'd really
rather not. Anyone have an idea how long it'll take for Mandriva x86_64
binaries to come out after the working source is out?

I have an Ubuntu Feisty install on the same machine (without Myth yet),
and if need be, I'll use it to get the latest Myth packages, if they'll be
a available a LOT sooner, but would rather update my Mandriva install.

Thanks for any info - Bob

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jra at baylink

Aug 22, 2007, 10:59 AM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:28:32AM -0700, Bob Sully wrote:
> > We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
> > hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
> > Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
> > group.
> >
> > -- Daniel
>
> Daniel: Thanks very much for the info. I'll check for updates over the
> next several days to a week or so.

Let me chime in as well; I've just reinstalled my sister after 5 months
down, using the suse 10.2 packages from PackMan, so I hope whomever
packages those is following the issue.

They worked wonderfully, BTW.

Cheers,
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Aug 22, 2007, 11:18 AM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>
>
> Let me chime in as well; I've just reinstalled my sister after 5 months
> down, using the suse 10.2 packages from PackMan, so I hope whomever
> packages those is following the issue.
>
> They worked wonderfully, BTW.
>

Sometimes it really pays to re-read your message before you post :)

Michael

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jedi at mishnet

Aug 22, 2007, 11:35 AM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 21:41 -0700, Bob Sully wrote:
>>> Hi all -
[deletia]
>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>> group.

Will the source tarball downloads be updated?

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jedi at mishnet

Aug 22, 2007, 11:36 AM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 21:41 -0700, Bob Sully wrote:
>>> Hi all -
[deletia]
>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>> group.

Will the source tarball download page at mythtv.org be updated?

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jra at baylink

Aug 22, 2007, 12:26 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:18:11AM -0700, MythTV wrote:
> Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > Let me chime in as well; I've just reinstalled my sister after 5 months
> > down, using the suse 10.2 packages from PackMan, so I hope whomever
> > packages those is following the issue.
> >
> > They worked wonderfully, BTW.
>
> Sometimes it really pays to re-read your message before you post :)

What; synechdoche isn't allowed on this mailing list?

:-)

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mtdean at thirdcontact

Aug 22, 2007, 1:27 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On 08/22/2007 02:35 PM, jedi [at] mishnet wrote:
>> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>>> group.
> Will the source tarball downloads be updated?

Why not use the appropriate SVN branch/tag to check it out? (Note that
I'm not saying the tarballs won't be updated--I'm just wondering why
anyone uses them.)

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gull at gull

Aug 22, 2007, 1:40 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:

> On 08/22/2007 02:35 PM, jedi [at] mishnet wrote:
>>> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>>>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>>>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>>>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>>>> group.
>> Will the source tarball downloads be updated?
>
> Why not use the appropriate SVN branch/tag to check it out? (Note
> that
> I'm not saying the tarballs won't be updated--I'm just wondering why
> anyone uses them.)

I'd guess two reasons:

- Unfamiliarity with SVN. I use it almost every day, but most people
who don't do software development don't, so it's something new they
have to learn.

- A desire for a stable target. The SVN trunk branch changes
constantly and sometimes breaks. With a tarball you know you're
getting something that other people are using, which leads to more
confidence that it will actually work. (Yeah, I know you don't have
to download trunk. But I don't know if there's a stable branch that
includes SD yet, and selecting a branch adds yet another layer of
complexity for people who aren't familiar with SVN.)

The instructions on the MythTV site admonish people planning to
compile from SVN to join the -commits and -dev mailing lists, and
don't provide a cookbook approach for downloading via SVN, so I
suspect most users assume this is "experts only" territory.

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jedi at mishnet

Aug 22, 2007, 1:53 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

> On 08/22/2007 02:35 PM, jedi [at] mishnet wrote:
>>> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>>>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>>>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>>>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>>>> group.
>> Will the source tarball downloads be updated?
>
> Why not use the appropriate SVN branch/tag to check it out? (Note that
> I'm not saying the tarballs won't be updated--I'm just wondering why
> anyone uses them.)

If I am not a developer, I shouldn't even need to be aware that
the source control repository exists.

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william_munson at bellsouth

Aug 22, 2007, 2:19 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>
>> On 08/22/2007 02:35 PM, jedi [at] mishnet wrote:
>>
>>>> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>>>>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>>>>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>>>>> group.
>>>>>
>>> Will the source tarball downloads be updated?
>>>
>> Why not use the appropriate SVN branch/tag to check it out? (Note
>> that
>> I'm not saying the tarballs won't be updated--I'm just wondering why
>> anyone uses them.)
>>
>
> I'd guess two reasons:
>
> - Unfamiliarity with SVN. I use it almost every day, but most people
> who don't do software development don't, so it's something new they
> have to learn.
>
> - A desire for a stable target. The SVN trunk branch changes
> constantly and sometimes breaks. With a tarball you know you're
> getting something that other people are using, which leads to more
> confidence that it will actually work. (Yeah, I know you don't have
> to download trunk. But I don't know if there's a stable branch that
> includes SD yet, and selecting a branch adds yet another layer of
> complexity for people who aren't familiar with SVN.)
>
>

The -fixes branch of SVN is the stable branch and YES it does include
support. The tarball is simply a snapshot of -fixes on a given date.
Personally I would rather have any fixes applied after that date too so
if you can download a tarball and compile it, you can easily check out a
svn branch and compile it.

Its a shame that the docs make it seem like -fixes should only be for
the "gifted" when IMHO anyone who plays in linux should be able to
compile from source.

Bill

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jra at baylink

Aug 22, 2007, 9:01 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 01:40:25PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> The instructions on the MythTV site admonish people planning to
> compile from SVN to join the -commits and -dev mailing lists, and
> don't provide a cookbook approach for downloading via SVN, so I
> suspect most users assume this is "experts only" territory.

Well, I wasn't trying for "admonish" when I wrote that, just "we invite
you to play in traffic, just try not to get hit, and don't come crying
to us (by which I mean the development team) when you do." :-)

And I don't at all think that it's unreasonable to want Myth to be an
appliance, even at 0.20.

Cheers,
-- jra
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Aug 22, 2007, 11:09 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On 08/22/2007 04:40 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>
>
>> On 08/22/2007 02:35 PM, jedi [at] mishnet wrote:
>>
>>>> Daniel Kristjansson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We will probably tag a 0.20.2 release tomorrow. Then it will take
>>>>> hours to days for the various distros to update their packages.
>>>>> Schedules Direct made sure to include packagers in the beta test
>>>>> group.
>>>>>
>>> Will the source tarball downloads be updated?
>>>
>> Why not use the appropriate SVN branch/tag to check it out? (Note
>> that
>> I'm not saying the tarballs won't be updated--I'm just wondering why
>> anyone uses them.)
>>
>
> I'd guess two reasons:
>
> - Unfamiliarity with SVN. I use it almost every day, but most people
> who don't do software development don't, so it's something new they
> have to learn.
>
> - A desire for a stable target. The SVN trunk branch changes
> constantly and sometimes breaks. With a tarball you know you're
> getting something that other people are using, which leads to more
> confidence that it will actually work. (Yeah, I know you don't have
> to download trunk. But I don't know if there's a stable branch that
> includes SD yet, and selecting a branch adds yet another layer of
> complexity for people who aren't familiar with SVN.)
>
>
> The instructions on the MythTV site admonish people planning to
> compile from SVN to join the -commits and -dev mailing lists, and
> don't provide a cookbook approach for downloading via SVN, so I
> suspect most users assume this is "experts only" territory.

That may, in fact, be the perception, but is not true in reality. In
the case of the 0.20 tarball, there are a /lot/ of fairly major bugs in
it; whereas the 0.20-fixes branch from only about one week after the
0.20 release has all of the "showstoppers" fixed.

Mike

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Aug 23, 2007, 9:04 AM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> And I don't at all think that it's unreasonable to want Myth to be an
> appliance, even at 0.20.

I agree. I know how to use SVN, but I installed Myth from packages.
When I can use a distribution's package manager to install something,
I do, just on general principle. It tends to make maintenance easier.

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Aug 23, 2007, 12:19 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On 08/23/2007 12:04 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>
>> And I don't at all think that it's unreasonable to want Myth to be an
>> appliance, even at 0.20.
>>
>
> I agree. I know how to use SVN, but I installed Myth from packages.
> When I can use a distribution's package manager to install something,
> I do, just on general principle. It tends to make maintenance easier.

And that's definitely good. And most are currently using -fixes for you.

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Aug 23, 2007, 1:33 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binaries for Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 03:19:45PM -0400, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> > When I can use a distribution's package manager to install something,
> > I do, just on general principle. It tends to make maintenance easier.
>
> And that's definitely good. And most are currently using -fixes for you.

Was -fixes (of a certain date) ever formally tagged as 0.20.1?

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Aug 23, 2007, 1:53 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binariesfor Mandriva...? [In reply to]

> Was -fixes (of a certain date) ever formally tagged as 0.20.1?

It was, the planned release never made it out though.

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Aug 23, 2007, 6:49 PM

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 01:53:41PM -0700, Anduin Withers wrote:
> > Was -fixes (of a certain date) ever formally tagged as 0.20.1?
>
> It was, the planned release never made it out though.

"Then what are these 0.20.1 RPM's I installed from Packman?"

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Aug 23, 2007, 7:59 PM

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Re: New (for schedulesdirect.org) binariesfor Mandriva...? [In reply to]

On 08/23/2007 09:49 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2007 at 01:53:41PM -0700, Anduin Withers wrote:
>
>>> Was -fixes (of a certain date) ever formally tagged as 0.20.1?
>>>
>> It was, the planned release never made it out though.
>>
> "Then what are these 0.20.1 RPM's I installed from Packman?"

That's a question the devs often ask when users report using version
numbers they get from packagers. :)

Perhaps it was a -fixes build after 0.20's release. Perhaps it was the
officially tagged 0.20.1 version from SVN. Perhaps it was 0.20 with
packager-specific patches.

But, Stuart M. has been working with several packagers to try to make
things easier for users and devs alike.

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