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joe.borne at gmail

Aug 6, 2007, 5:49 AM

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Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org?

Dear SchedulesDirect Team,

Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
state of SchedulesDirect.org.

Even if all there is to say is that legal/accounting issues are still
being arranged, I think it would be nice to know if the project is
still in the works or if it died on the vine. A lot of people are
counting on this project to come through for them. If it's not going
to happen on time, then we need the time to prepare alternative data
sources for ourselves.

Please give us some idea of where things are at.


Thanks in advance.

Joe
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gull at gull

Aug 6, 2007, 9:40 AM

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On Aug 6, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Joe Borne wrote:

> Dear SchedulesDirect Team,
>
> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
>
> Even if all there is to say is that legal/accounting issues are still
> being arranged, I think it would be nice to know if the project is
> still in the works or if it died on the vine. A lot of people are
> counting on this project to come through for them. If it's not going
> to happen on time, then we need the time to prepare alternative data
> sources for ourselves.
>
> Please give us some idea of where things are at.

Seconded. The announcement of SchedulesDirect had the effect of
causing people to abandon other efforts, so if it falls through we
could easily end up without any data sources.



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bob at smalltime

Aug 6, 2007, 10:33 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

Joe Borne wrote:
> Dear SchedulesDirect Team,
>
> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
...
> Please give us some idea of where things are at.

We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.

That's all that can be said at this point. Check
http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ for updated information.

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steve at priorityelectronics

Aug 6, 2007, 10:37 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status ofSchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

Hello, I know the listings end on Sep 1, but does that mean that we will
have no data after the sep 1 date, or does that mean that august 31st will
be the last day that we will be able to download the next two weeks of data
meaning data till the 13th of september?

Thanks
-steve

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Joe Borne wrote:
> Dear SchedulesDirect Team,
>
> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
...
> Please give us some idea of where things are at.

We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.

That's all that can be said at this point. Check
http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ for updated information.

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gull at gull

Aug 6, 2007, 10:39 AM

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On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Robert Kulagowski wrote:

> Joe Borne wrote:
>> Dear SchedulesDirect Team,
>>
>> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
>> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
>> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
> ...
>> Please give us some idea of where things are at.
>
> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test
> listings.

Thank you! That's reassuring.

Maybe an occasional update on the website would be nice? Even if you
don't have any new information, it's reassuring to see some
indication that things are moving in the right direction. Right now
there's nothing new visible since the name change.


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beww at beww

Aug 6, 2007, 10:56 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status ofSchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

On Monday 06 August 2007 11:37, Steve Peters - Priority Electronics wrote:
> Hello, I know the listings end on Sep 1, but does that mean that we will
> have no data after the sep 1 date, or does that mean that august 31st will
> be the last day that we will be able to download the next two weeks of data
> meaning data till the 13th of september?

I would have thought that we would have the usual two weeks worth of listings
at the termination of service, ie: 9/13.

I don't think it means anything, but my "subscription" ends on 10/8. Probably
just a "filler" date.

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gravityhammer at gmail

Aug 6, 2007, 11:05 AM

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On 8/6/07, Brian Wood <beww[at]beww.org> wrote:

> I don't think it means anything, but my "subscription" ends on 10/8. Probably
> just a "filler" date.
>

Mine ends 8/25 - hopefully, they'll let me renew it for those
remaining few days.
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gull at gull

Aug 6, 2007, 11:06 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status ofSchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Brian Wood wrote:
> I don't think it means anything, but my "subscription" ends on
> 10/8. Probably
> just a "filler" date.

Yeah, and mine ends on 9/24. I think they still calculated out the
usual number of days from the last time you renewed, even though the
service won't last that long.



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shadestalker at gmail

Aug 6, 2007, 11:07 AM

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On 8/6/07, Robert Kulagowski <bob[at]smalltime.com> wrote:

> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.


This is exactly the kind of brief, highly informative snippet that
would be great to see on the web site. Consider providing such
micro-updates at schedulesdirect.org, there are bound to be a lot of
people looking there for information who aren't on the mythtv lists.
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Aug 6, 2007, 11:21 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

On 06/08/07, Robert Kulagowski <bob[at]smalltime.com> wrote:
> Joe Borne wrote:
> > Dear SchedulesDirect Team,
> >
> > Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
> > on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
> > state of SchedulesDirect.org.
> ...
> > Please give us some idea of where things are at.
>
> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.
>
> That's all that can be said at this point. Check
> http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ for updated information.

That's the crux of the problem. This useful piece of information is
not on the website, and the last update was over 2 weeks ago. I'd
suggest only pointing people to the website for updated information if
there actually is some.

Knowing that coding has begun and data has been obtained would surely
help to reduce the anxiety levels amongst many users who are currently
still wondering what's going to happen.

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james at thearmstrongs

Aug 6, 2007, 11:35 AM

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>>> dulesDirect Team,
>>>
>>> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
>>> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
>>> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Please give us some idea of where things are at.
>>>
>> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test
>> listings.
>>
Does anyone know or has anyone's subscription expired recent and been
able to up it? Mine is set to expire on 8/23.

Thanks,
James


jarom_mcdonald at byu

Aug 6, 2007, 11:39 AM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

My subscription was set to expire tomorrow, and yesterday I successfully
renewed it. My guess is they are just leaving the entire system alone,
and then will merely "flip the switch" (metaphorically) to shut it down.

Jarom McDonald

James Armstrong wrote:
>
>>>> dulesDirect Team,
>>>>
>>>> Seeing as we only have about 3 weeks before DirectData goes "paws up"
>>>> on us, I don't think it's too much for us to ask for an update on the
>>>> state of SchedulesDirect.org.
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Please give us some idea of where things are at.
>>>>
>>> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test
>>> listings.
>>>
> Does anyone know or has anyone's subscription expired recent and been
> able to up it? Mine is set to expire on 8/23.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>

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drescherjm at gmail

Aug 6, 2007, 12:04 PM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

>
> > Please give us some idea of where things are at.
>
> We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.



Can you say if we will be forced to upgrade MythTV or will this coding be
somehow compatible? I am running a SVN version from mid February, 2007.

John


beww at beww

Aug 6, 2007, 12:29 PM

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On Monday 06 August 2007 13:04, John Drescher wrote:

>
> Can you say if we will be forced to upgrade MythTV or will this coding be
> somehow compatible? I am running a SVN version from mid February, 2007.

Obviously I have no idea what will eventually happen, but *theoretically* it
is possible to make the changeover with no changes at all in any Myth
systems, simply by using the same protocol and a redirect on the URL.

That's not to say it *will* happen that way, but it *could*. A lot will
depend on how much, if any, cooperation TMS is able to give after DD-Day.

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david.schmidt.in.dallas at gmail

Aug 6, 2007, 12:43 PM

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On 8/6/07, John Drescher <drescherjm[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Please give us some idea of where things are at.
> >
> > We're waiting for legal, coding has begun, and we've gotten test listings.
>
>
> Can you say if we will be forced to upgrade MythTV or will this coding be
> somehow compatible? I am running a SVN version from mid February, 2007.
>
> John
>
>
When I asked a week or so ago, Chris Peterson (Petersen?) said an
upgrade would be required. Apparently the URL is hard-coded into the
source, so even if the .wsdl stays the same, the old code can't
work....
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Aug 6, 2007, 12:53 PM

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On Monday 06 August 2007 13:43, David Schmidt wrote:

>
> When I asked a week or so ago, Chris Peterson (Petersen?) said an
> upgrade would be required. Apparently the URL is hard-coded into the
> source, so even if the .wsdl stays the same, the old code can't
> work....

Couldn't TMS just do a redirect to the new URL? Perhaps just for a "transition
period"? Obviously it would create some server load, but nothing close to
what pushing out listings did.

I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file as the old
name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new system is a
single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").

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myth at dermanouelian

Aug 6, 2007, 12:57 PM

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Re: Can we get an update on the status of SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

On Aug 6, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Brian Wood wrote:

> On Monday 06 August 2007 13:43, David Schmidt wrote:
>
>>
>> When I asked a week or so ago, Chris Peterson (Petersen?) said an
>> upgrade would be required. Apparently the URL is hard-coded into the
>> source, so even if the .wsdl stays the same, the old code can't
>> work....
>
> Couldn't TMS just do a redirect to the new URL? Perhaps just for a
> "transition
> period"? Obviously it would create some server load, but nothing
> close to
> what pushing out listings did.
>
> I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file
> as the old
> name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
> little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new
> system is a
> single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").

Oy.. imagine the mail activity on that one. How about just check
whatever fix is needed into SVN and -fixes and make people upgrade? :)
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Aug 6, 2007, 1:14 PM

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On Monday 06 August 2007 13:57, Brad DerManouelian wrote:

> > I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file
> > as the old
> > name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
> > little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new
> > system is a
> > single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").
>
> Oy.. imagine the mail activity on that one. How about just check
> whatever fix is needed into SVN and -fixes and make people upgrade? :)

A LOT of people do not run SVN or -fixes versions, but packaged setups.
Forcing all those folks to start checking out from SVN, or even compiling
fixes trees, would more than likely cause more traffic on this list than a
simple IP mapping hack.

However, I suspect that there will be enough other changes to make such a
simple hack non-workable. Let's hope the various packagers do their usual
good job of keeping up with changes.

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myth at dermanouelian

Aug 6, 2007, 1:17 PM

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On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Brian Wood wrote:

> On Monday 06 August 2007 13:57, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
>
>>> I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file
>>> as the old
>>> name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
>>> little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new
>>> system is a
>>> single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").
>>
>> Oy.. imagine the mail activity on that one. How about just check
>> whatever fix is needed into SVN and -fixes and make people
>> upgrade? :)
>
> A LOT of people do not run SVN or -fixes versions, but packaged
> setups.
> Forcing all those folks to start checking out from SVN, or even
> compiling
> fixes trees, would more than likely cause more traffic on this list
> than a
> simple IP mapping hack.
>
> However, I suspect that there will be enough other changes to make
> such a
> simple hack non-workable. Let's hope the various packagers do their
> usual
> good job of keeping up with changes.

I think most repositories offer -fixes (if not all).
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jakep_82 at hotmail

Aug 6, 2007, 1:33 PM

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>From: Brad DerManouelian <myth[at]dermanouelian.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org>
>To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users[at]mythtv.org>
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Can we get an update on the status
>ofSchedulesDirect.org?
>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:17:32 -0700
>
>On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
>
> > On Monday 06 August 2007 13:57, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> >
> >>> I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file
> >>> as the old
> >>> name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
> >>> little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new
> >>> system is a
> >>> single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").
> >>
> >> Oy.. imagine the mail activity on that one. How about just check
> >> whatever fix is needed into SVN and -fixes and make people
> >> upgrade? :)
> >
> > A LOT of people do not run SVN or -fixes versions, but packaged
> > setups.
> > Forcing all those folks to start checking out from SVN, or even
> > compiling
> > fixes trees, would more than likely cause more traffic on this list
> > than a
> > simple IP mapping hack.
> >
> > However, I suspect that there will be enough other changes to make
> > such a
> > simple hack non-workable. Let's hope the various packagers do their
> > usual
> > good job of keeping up with changes.
>
>I think most repositories offer -fixes (if not all).

It seems to me the easiest solution would be to take current -fixes, add the
required changes for SchedulesDirect, and make a 0.20.2 official release.
Then it would be up to the various packagers to update, but we're 4 weeks
away and counting so I hope this happens soon.

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bradallenfuller at yahoo

Aug 6, 2007, 1:47 PM

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On Mon August 6 2007 1:17 pm, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> > However, I suspect that there will be enough other changes to make
> > such a
> > simple hack non-workable. Let's hope the various packagers do their
> > usual
> > good job of keeping up with changes.
>
> I think most repositories offer -fixes (if not all).

they do, but the issue is time. For instance, gentoo has solid releases, but
they are not quick at getting it ready. So, if datadirect ends and the
release is not yet available in the repo..... you might miss some shows.
Then, there's always bugs that need to be fixed. It'll be tight.
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james at fidell

Aug 6, 2007, 1:59 PM

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Brian Wood wrote:

> I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file as the old
> name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
> little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new system is a
> single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").

Isn't checking files before dns the default for hostname lookups?

James

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Aug 6, 2007, 2:03 PM

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>From: James Armstrong
>

>Does anyone know or has anyone's subscription expired recent and been able
>to up it? Mine is set to expire on 8/23.
>
>Thanks,
>James

Mine expired on 8/1 and it let me renew.

I'm sure that all they are doing is closing down zap2it labs on 9/1. Up
until that point it I'm sure it will function as it always has. It just
wouldn't make sense for them to go out of thier way to do otherwise.

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Aug 6, 2007, 2:07 PM

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On Monday 06 August 2007 14:59, James Fidell wrote:
> Brian Wood wrote:
> > I suppose we could all just put the new IP in our /etc/hosts file as the
> > old name, and tell nsswitch.conf to check files before dns, a
> > little "non-standard", but it should work, as long as the new system is a
> > single static IP. (I think that would be called a "hack").
>
> Isn't checking files before dns the default for hostname lookups?

Usually, but I've seen systems where it was not, though it has been over a
decade since I ran into that.

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Aug 6, 2007, 2:16 PM

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Re: Can we get an update on the statusof SchedulesDirect.org? [In reply to]

On Mon August 6 2007 2:03 pm, Tom Dexter wrote:
> >From: James Armstrong
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know or has anyone's subscription expired recent and been able
> >to up it? Mine is set to expire on 8/23.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >James
>
> Mine expired on 8/1 and it let me renew.
>
> I'm sure that all they are doing is closing down zap2it labs on 9/1. Up
> until that point it I'm sure it will function as it always has. It just
> wouldn't make sense for them to go out of thier way to do otherwise.

Well... it would be nice if Zap2It would give some leaway to the developers
since they are scrambling to get it done in time.
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